Obama’s Weekly Address: Giving Republicans ‘Another Chance’ on Jobs
In his weekly address, President Obama scolded Republicans for “stirring up fights” on Capitol Hill over issues that will not create jobs immediately instead of focusing on passing portions of the American Jobs Act.
However, the president said he will give Republicans “another chance” and that next week he will urge Congress to vote on “putting hundreds of thousands of teachers back in the classroom, cops back on the streets and firefighters back on the job.”
“If they vote ‘no’ on that, they’ll have to tell you why,” Obama said. “They’ll have to tell you why teachers in your community don’t deserve a paycheck again. They’ll have to tell your kids why they don’t deserve to have their teacher back. They’ll have to tell you why they’re against commonsense proposals that would help families and strengthen our communities right now.”
Over the coming weeks, the president said, he will also urge lawmakers to vote on other parts of other parts of his jobs bill, which failed in the Senate this week, including investments in infrastructure and tax cuts for small businesses that hire veterans.
“That’s what’s at stake,” Obama said. “Putting people back to work. Restoring economic security for the middle class. Rebuilding an economy where hard work is valued and responsibility is rewarded – an economy that’s built to last. And I’m going to travel all over the country over the next few weeks so that we can remind Congress that’s their job. Because there’s still time to create jobs and grow our economy right now.”
Obama is preparing to take his message on the road on a three-day bus tour next week.
Speaking from the General Motors facility in Michigan that he toured on Thursday with South Korean President Lee, Obama commended Congress for coming together to pass three free trade deals earlier this week but said “that’s also why it was so disappointing to see Senate Republicans obstruct the American Jobs Act, even though a majority of senators voted ‘yes’ to advance this jobs bill.”

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Scolding people for trying to stop passage of more failed bills just like his health care bill that is unraveling is quite amusing. I would tell him to be transparent with the Solyndra investigation first and turn over all the evidence requested and quit hiding the truth before passage of any of his failed bills would even be considered. Failed policies from a failed president isnt very smart.
Posted by: John Herrera | October 15, 2011, 8:41 am 8:41 am
I’m on our school board. ARRA gave us money to keep a teaching staff that we couldn’t afford locally. This new jobs bill will do the same. It isn’t about creating NEW jobs. Obama’s proposal clearly is about saving current government jobs, delaying the inevitable. We can’t keep borrowing from the future to pay for programs that we can’t afford.
How come that’s so difficult to understand?
Posted by: MainelyDoc | October 15, 2011, 8:52 am 8:52 am
RIPE with hypocrisy!!!!! ——- When will the major media outlets at LEAST challenge the President’s obvious incincerity!!! —– Obama has been campaigning across the country, blaming Republicans for not passing his “American Jobs Act”. Yet on October 4th, Republican Mitch McConnell tried to force such a vote in the Democrat-controlled Senate, attacjing this bill to another the Dems WANTED to pass. Lacking support for the “Jobs Bill”, Democrat Senate Leader Harry Reid had to BLOCK the vote, sparing the President a HUMILIATING DEFEAT in a body of Congress controlled by his own party. Later that day Jim Messina of the White House send out a message to supporters, urging them to “find Republican members of Congress on Twitter, call them out, and demand they pass this bill.” —– The public that just reads the headlines are being DUPED!! — Isn’t it a sad commentary on the Democratic Party to hang on to ANY chance of re-election by LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!!!
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | October 15, 2011, 8:55 am 8:55 am
What an arrogant horse’s behind! And, for the record, I don’t see members of his own party falling all over themselves to pass this thing. And, in case he has figured it out, they have the majority in the Senate (hint: that’s why the Majority Leader is a member of your own party). So, spare me the lecture….
Posted by: Linda | October 15, 2011, 8:58 am 8:58 am
MainelyDoc | October 15, 2011, 8:52 am —— This is a “TAX AND SPEND” bill…. not a jobs bill!! — It is another round of “stimulus”… and the first one didn’t work!!! — If that temporary money is there for your school board today.. what will happen tomorrow when you have to pay for those teachers outof your own school board’s budget??? Layoffs?? — PLUS… we DON’T HAVE another $450 BILLION dollars to throw at Keynesian economics!!!!
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | October 15, 2011, 8:59 am 8:59 am
he will urge Congress to vote on “putting hundreds of thousands of teachers back in the classroom, cops back on the streets and firefighters back on the job.”
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and according to VP Biden, if you don’t pass this bill then you will be murdered or raped. What a pathetic excuse of an administration. If they had not been laundering so much money to their union friends, their cronies like Solyndra, and buying guns to send to Mexican narco-terrorists, there would be money for teachers, cops, and firefighters.
Posted by: Michelle Shu Jas | October 15, 2011, 9:03 am 9:03 am
Wow! The Naked Emoeror is flailing now. Very pathetic. Narcissism on parade. Get ready for some extreme wagging the dog as he AVOIDS reminding Congress and the American people of SOLYNDRA. KAISER, FAST & FURIOUS. Keep them watching the stinky kids in the park. Maybe those Special Ops Forces will bring him some more Military glory in Uganda. Hey, has the ATF been hanging around Africa lately? Is he attempting a pre coup for when he’s done in 012? Imagine Obama with the Power of Mugabe? Now there’s a thought. No Congress to stop him then.
Posted by: Jim KEarney | October 15, 2011, 9:04 am 9:04 am
Dems hate it too! No more stimulus!
Posted by: Freedom | October 15, 2011, 9:07 am 9:07 am
GOP to Obama: Your plan does not create jobs. That is why we cannot support it!
Posted by: jmt44 | October 15, 2011, 9:10 am 9:10 am
GOP to Obama: Your plan does not create jobs, and that is why we cannot support it.
Posted by: jmt44 | October 15, 2011, 9:12 am 9:12 am
All you Teapublicans specialize in is lie about everything. Republicans have decided to do anything to create jobs because it is going to make Obama look good. Shame on the obstructionist and do notting party. Obama did something more to help this Country his first two years, than the last few republican administration.
Because of Obama care, children will preexisting condition can no longer be denied coverage. We are yet to see grand ma and grand pa being killed because of Obama care.
9 of the 10 poorest state in this Country have been Republican controlled for a long time. The republican party have done notting to help the middle class. All you care about is the top 1%.
Estimate by most economist say that Obama plan will create about 1.9 million jobs. The do notting Teapublicans have no plan. All they care about is to defeat Obama, even if it means destroying the country.
Posted by: Ben | October 15, 2011, 9:46 am 9:46 am
Once the Republicans successfully destroy the economy and pin it on Obama, you will see the Republicans “convince” the dumb Republicans that they MUST give up their Social Security and Medicare for their own good once they take over the White House and Congress! Republicans were asleep during the 8 years of the Bush Administration when he doubled the national debt and left the cost of two wars on the Oval Office desk for Obama to take care of. The Republicans have been able to manipulate the dumb Republicans for many years and will continue to do so. I hope all of you have plenty of money saved up for your Golden Years!!
Posted by: EricaLove | October 15, 2011, 9:49 am 9:49 am
From Politico, The most Open and Transparent Administration is at it again.
Obama’s lawyer appealing judges ruling that secret service records of visitors
to the White House are subject to disclosure under the Freedom of information act.
The President doesn’t like anyone to know when all his wall street and rowdy
radical friends come and visit.
Posted by: deadwrestler | October 15, 2011, 10:11 am 10:11 am
The definition of insanity is doing the same exact thing again and again and expecting a different result. Both the Democrats and Republicans are guilty of being insane by that definition. It’ time for the Congress and the President to learn the Engineer’s Rule: “If at first you don’t succeed, try something else.” There is another Rule that applies here: the 80/20 rule. This rule says that in most things, that 80 percent is accomplished with 20 percent of the available resources. The trick is to identify the unproductive majority and cut it out, leaving the working minority. And Obama should apply this 80/20 rule to regulation — get rid of the low-percentage reporting and restrictions. Congress could use the 80/20 rule to reduce the size of the US Code, the national law of the land — just get rid of the useless junk. With regard to the tax code, just eliminate all the “social engineering” deductions that Congress has larded in over the past 80 years; that will reduce the cost of compliance, reduce the amount of work the IRS needs to do, and more importantly (paying attention, Wall Street Occupiers?) hit Wall Street in the pocketbook, because with the elimination of all the special-interest deductions the uber-rich will find it pointless to play all the games they currently do to improve their tax position. As an Independent, I can’t endorse Cain’s 999 idea in it entirety, but I do think it’s a significant improvement over the Federal tax system we have now, and can be tweaked to keep the poor and middle class from bearing the brunt of its force. There is a group of people who pine for a much simpler life in nature. I’m not one of them. But I do pine for a simpler life in this country, a life with fewer and more easily-understood rules.
Posted by: Andrew Sinclair | October 15, 2011, 10:13 am 10:13 am
MainelyDoc | October 15, 2011, 8:52 am – - I’m on our school board. ARRA gave us money to keep a teaching staff that we couldn’t afford locally. – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - Giving money to local schools allows teacher wages/benefits to avoid reflecting local market conditions to artificially allow public sector wages to outstrip private sector wages/benefits. The solution is not less teachers but for teacher salary/benefits to reflect the “new norma” economic conditions!
Posted by: Common _ Sense | October 15, 2011, 10:16 am 10:16 am
This guy can’t be serious…SIGN the republician jobs bill NOW
Posted by: Yep I said that | October 15, 2011, 10:51 am 10:51 am
And then……. Rep. Jesse Jackson Calls on Government to Hire All Unemployed Americans for $40,000 Each!!!!!! —— What IS IT with these idiot Democrats!!!!!!
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | October 15, 2011, 11:18 am 11:18 am
THE IDIOTS WILL PAY IN NOV. OBAMA YOU ARE ON THE SIDE OF THE RIGHT
Posted by: BENNIE | October 15, 2011, 11:55 am 11:55 am
This guy is a joke
Posted by: Obama the idiot | October 15, 2011, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
As an Independent, I can’t endorse Cain’s 999 idea in it entirety, but I do think it’s a significant improvement over the Federal tax system we have now,———————Wrong. Go back to school . Can’t you read ? Go do some research ( not on FOX ) and see just how many non-partisan experts are backing the 9-9-9 foolishness , I haven’t seen any so far personally. All the economic experts I have seen say it’s a terrible idea , even Bush’s top economic advisor blasted it publicly . You conservatives ( and Independents too evidently ) need to grow some brains , yours are so tiny they are next to useless apparently.
Posted by: Davem | October 15, 2011, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
As an Independent, I can’t endorse Cain’s 999 idea in it entirety, but I do think it’s a significant improvement over the Federal tax system we have now,———————Wrong. Go back to school . Can’t you read ? Go do some research ( not on FOX ) and see just how many non-partisan experts are backing the 9-9-9 foolishness , I haven’t seen any so far personally. All the economic experts I have seen say it’s a terrible idea , even Bush’s top economic advisor blasted it publicly . You conservatives ( and Independents too evidently ) need to grow some brains , yours are so tiny they are next to useless apparently.
Posted by: Davemr | October 15, 2011, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
As an Independent, I can’t endorse Cain’s 999 idea in it entirety, but I do think it’s a significant improvement over the Federal tax system we have now,———————Wrong. Go back to school . Can’t you read ? Go do some research ( not on FOX ) and see just how many non-partisan experts are backing the 9-9-9 foolishness , I haven’t seen any so far personally. All the economic experts I have seen say it’s a terrible idea , even Bush’s top economic advisor blasted it publicly . You conservatives ( and Independents too evidently ) need to grow some brains , yours are so tiny they are next to useless apparently.
Posted by: Davgemr | October 15, 2011, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
The President wraps a few good “jobs” ideas around a Trojan Horse full of unnecessary spending ideas and says the bill must be passed as a package. This same approach brought us Obamacare and if any aspect of the bill is questioned the President attacks you as being against the good aspects! No more 3000 page bills which need to be passed to find out what is in them!!!!!
Posted by: Common _ Sense | October 15, 2011, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
“No more 3000 page bills which need to be passed to find out what is in them!!!!! ” ——Another stupid mindless conservative spewing out FOX tripe. American is in sad shape for sure.
Posted by: Davgemr | October 15, 2011, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
Obama’s Giving Republicans ‘Another Chance’ on Jobs.
HA ha ha ha ha!
Hey Barry, this high school level nanny nanny bo bo stuff won’t ever work with the American people.
Please grow up, stop the political gamesmanship and act like the president that pledged to unite us.
Posted by: Noz | October 15, 2011, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
The saying is “it’s the economy stupid”. Something else trumps this saying and is “it’s right or wrong stupid” My gut tells me it’s wrong to obstruct and delay legislation, hurt our country, just to make sure the President is not re-elected. There’s one poll I believe in. It’s the FGF (Feretti’s Gut Feeling) poll. I’ll bet a lot of Americans have the same feeling. The republicans are in for a big shock come Nov 2011.
Posted by: tmferretti | October 15, 2011, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Davemr | October 15, 2011, 12:04 pm – All the economic experts I have seen say it’s a terrible idea , – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – You must be referring to your mindless “Moveon.org” experts!
Posted by: Common _ Sense | October 15, 2011, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
The one thing about the Occupy Wall Street crowd that resonates with many Americans is their opposition to bank bailouts. The idea of using our tax money to bail out millionaires is nuts.
But that’s exactly what’s happening with Solyndra. Some of the $535 million that taxpayers just lost with Solyndra is about to be used to pay off the investment of billionaire George Kaiser and other investors. These millionaires and billionaires made risky investments on Solyndra, and they lost. When rich investors make risky bets and lose, they should have to eat their losses. They certainly shouldn’t get paid back by taxpayers. But these friends of Obama are about to be. That’s not only unethical, it’s illegal
Posted by: Yep I said that | October 15, 2011, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Man, I thought Mr. Obama will do something incredible when he was elected amid the fireworks and huge crowds.
Posted by: young_voter | October 15, 2011, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
The bank bailout saved us from internal and world financial collapse . It saved millions of jobs. Both Presidents Bush and Obama supported it and rightfully so. Besides , we’ve gotten all our money back from the banks with a 20 billion dollar profit.
Solyndra was a mistake, its happened in past administrations and will happen in future administrations. Thats why it’s called risk capital. The republicans are using it as a distraction from their “do nothing” policies in Congress.
Posted by: tmferretti | October 15, 2011, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Obama is one big loser who has costs us all the worst debt this country has ever seen and it was all for naught! The guy couldn’t run a hot dog stand.
Posted by: Don | October 15, 2011, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
DON
I guess he should have tryrd to run a pizza stand, your comment is ludicrous
Posted by: tmferretti | October 15, 2011, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
The political gamesmanship on this is starting to make me nauseous.
Posted by: newcountryman | October 15, 2011, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
TMFERRETTI (1:58 PM); So you’re ok with the government using your tax money as political payback disguised as bogus venture capital? Is there anything this guy can does that you wouldn’t approve of? No wonder we’re in trouble in this country.
Posted by: newcountryman | October 15, 2011, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
DON
I guess he should have tryrd to run a pizza stand, your comment is ludicrous
Posted by: tmferretti | October 15, 2011, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
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Hey, pizza, even as bad as yours, is still better than empty Hope and Change that never came.
If you need more Hopes, I will sell you each for 2 cents. Wait, for you, a 50% discount, 1 cent a Hope. How about buying 10,000 of them.
Posted by: fat cat | October 15, 2011, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
I’m all for keeping teachers, firefighters and police in their jobs – and taxing the super rich to do it. The super rich have been hoarding the country’s wealth – it needs to be circulated.
Posted by: James | October 15, 2011, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
“No wonder we’re in trouble in this country”
That’s right, it has nothing to do with all our huge mistakes.
Posted by: Wall Street | October 15, 2011, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
. . . and Obama you had your chance and squandered it with you irrational radically voracious spending. And then you’re complaining that your counterparts aren’t bending to your fear mongering strong arm tactics the likes of a petty dictator? This notion that you can get your way by bullying and pushing people around needs to stop.
Take the health bill that the majority of Americans opposed, yet you abused your power to trick and arm wrestle America to the ground and ram it through anyway, pointing fingers, making false accusations that conservatives “want women to die on the floor” – that was totally absurd. This isn’t the “new tone” in Washington Americans were envisioning in you. You’ve squandered your first term and it’s time for you to go pal.
Posted by: EPU | October 15, 2011, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
No Obama, America gave you another chance on jobs, and since you took office you’ve lost 2.2 million jobs on your watch. Why? Because you refuse to do what’s needed to boost our economy and instead resort the old playbook of tax and spend out of a recession which has been proven again and again and again, one omnibus spending bill and huge bailouts after another. You’ve blown YOUR chances by trying the same ole thing again instead of cutting the federal regulatory red tape that is strangling our production. DO THAT and you’ll get our support. Keep doing your tired old failed policies o taxing and spending and you’re gone in 2012 – which appears to be your wish with your behavior.
Posted by: EPU | October 15, 2011, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
No Obama, America gave you another chance on jobs, and since you took office you’ve lost 2.2 million jobs on your watch.
Posted by: EPU | October 15, 2011, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Again, the phony accusation. When Obama took office, the economy was in free-fall collapse under Bush was losing hundreds of thousands of jobs every month, month after month. This collapse continued through the first part of 2009 until the ARRA stimulus began to take effect, and then the economy began to gain jobs back and the country began to grow slowly but steadily every month.
Posted by: Jamie | October 15, 2011, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Wall Street (3:41 PM); “That’s right, it has nothing to do with all our huge mistakes.” People who have a skewed view of political reality and blindly adhere to a strict political ideology enable their leaders to make hugh mistakes.
Posted by: newcountryman | October 15, 2011, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
“People who have a skewed view of political reality and blindly adhere to a strict political ideology enable their leaders to make hugh mistakes”
Any similarity to any Republican elected officials [like George Bush for instance] living or dead is totally coincidental….
Posted by: GOP | October 15, 2011, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Concerning Jobs; According to BLS, job loss in the first 4 months of Obama’s term was 2.5 million. Since June of 2009, when the stimulus money was first spent under Obama (and the generally accepted end of the recession), job gain has been 600,000 over the next 2 years to June 2011. Still pretty anemic for the billions (more like $3 trillion) spent. It’s up to the individual to evaluate it’s worth and effectiveness. You do the math.
Posted by: newcountryman | October 15, 2011, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
GOP (4:17 PM); I thought the very same thing after I wrote my comment. So not much has “changed” has it.
Posted by: newcountryman | October 15, 2011, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
i did the math. It comes out to $5M/job. That’s if you assume the stimulus was only for job stimulus, which, of course, it wasn’t since the money was going everywhere.
Posted by: newcountryman | October 15, 2011, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
“since the money was going everywhere”
Yes we’d really appreciate it if you continue to avoid mentioning that states we have majorities in like Texas and Virginia, which balanced their state budgets and claim to have created many jobs, did so by spending billions in federal stimulus dollars.
Posted by: GOP | October 15, 2011, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
GOP; Ok, you got it. I will continue to avoid mentioning it. But if you’re interested, you can look it up.
Posted by: newcountryman | October 15, 2011, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
“Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.” Dwight D. Eisenhower
Posted by: Dwayne | October 15, 2011, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
I think a lot of Republicans are about to be jobless. Then thay can call each other lazy…
Posted by: joe | October 15, 2011, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
BEN: “The do notting Teapublicans have no plan.”
Only liberals think removing the burden of government from the means of production and job creators is ‘no plan,’ yet wasting the people’s money on growing government and unshovel-ready jobs is considered a jobs plan. It’s a plan to waste the people’s money when they need it most, period. Free people and their free market built this country and free people and their free market will recovery the economy from its government-induced failure. More hope and change, anyone? I didn’t think so.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2011, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
More hope and change, anyone?
POSTED BY: ANONYMOUS | OCTOBER 15, 2011, 8:59 PM 8:59 PM
You bet!
I’m all for keeping teachers, firefighters and police in their jobs – and taxing the super rich to do it. The super rich have been hoarding and sitting on the country’s wealth – it needs to be circulated.
Posted by: Sami | October 15, 2011, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
SAMI: “I’m all for keeping teachers, firefighters and police in their jobs – and taxing the super rich to do it. The super rich have been hoarding and sitting on the country’s wealth – it needs to be circulated.”
Then, you are all for continuing our current problems. The people that use those services should be paying for them, no one else. Had those local government not wasted the people’s money on things they didn’t need, they’d have money for what they do. Stealing for those who produce and create jobs is not the proper solution to irresponsible local governments. That just digs the hole deeper for everyone. Thus, the failure that is s o c i a l i s m. More hope and change, anyone? I didn’t think so.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2011, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
“and free people and their free market will recovery the economy from its government-induced failure”
Obviously it wasn’t OUR fault…Republican run government MADE us take big risks at the public’s expense by telling it was OK to.
Posted by: Wall street | October 15, 2011, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
“Had those local government not wasted the people’s money on things they didn’t need”
And people like ourselves and our Republican colleagues should be the ones deciding what people really need.
Posted by: Wall street | October 15, 2011, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
More hope and change, anyone?
POSTED BY: ANONYMOUS | OCTOBER 15, 2011, 9:38 PM 9:38 PM
You bet!
I’m all for keeping teachers, firefighters and police in their jobs – and taxing the super rich to do it. The super rich have been hoarding and sitting on the country’s wealth – it needs to be circulated.
The more money gets circulated (instead of hoarded by the super rich), the more things get purchased, the more jobs get created and so on.
Posted by: Sami | October 15, 2011, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
SAMI: “I’m all for keeping teachers, firefighters and police in their jobs – and taxing the super rich to do it. The super rich have been hoarding and sitting on the country’s wealth – it needs to be circulated.”
Then, you are all for continuing our current problems. The people that use those services should be paying for them, no one else. Had those local government not wasted the people’s money on things they didn’t need, they’d have money for what they do. Stealing for those who produce and create jobs is not the proper solution to irresponsible local governments. That just digs the hole deeper for everyone. Thus, the failure that is s o c i a l i s m.
SAMI: “The more money gets circulated (instead of hoarded by the super rich), the more things get purchased, the more jobs get created and so on.”
Right. So, get the money out of the inefficient and wasteful government to promote the investment and job creation environment we need to recover our economy. The hope and change s o c i a l i s m of Obama failed. Despite dellusional liberals that never learn, it is critical we rely on the free people and free markets that built this country once again.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2011, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
‘Stealing for those who produce and create jobs ”
Taxation is not theft.
It’s American workers who produce nearly everything.
And these so called ‘job creators’ aren’t creating any jobs.
Can I have a side of fries with that baloney sandwich?
Posted by: junk food junkie | October 15, 2011, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
The hope and change s o c i a l i s m of Obama failed.
POSTED BY: ANONYMOUS | OCTOBER 15, 2011, 10:20 PM 10:20 PM
Not so, the facts say it was Bush’s cut taxes for the rich and cut regulations for corporations that failed. What did his policies see? Big deficits, big debt, a banking and housing collapse – and an almost complete economic collapse that set all the world teetering. Maybe that is how you defined success, not me . . . . and not most regular, common-sense Americans.
Posted by: Sami | October 15, 2011, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
SAMI: “. . . government MADE us take big risks at the public’s expense by telling it was OK to.”
Well, they did encourage the risky behavior through the CRA and other government initiatives to promote home ownership among the low income and other uncreditworthy. Government distorted the market further by owning up half of the mortgage market backing and guaranteeing all the risky bad debt that they fueled.
When we remove the artificial influence of government choosing winners and losers, we won’t have these sort of systemic government-induced problems. Centrally planned markets and economies have a strong history of failure. This is just another episode of failed government central planning to add to the long list.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2011, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
JUNK: “Taxation is not theft.”
Taxing one American more than another for the same share of government is the very definition of theft. No matter how badly you want their money and how badly you want them to work for you, it is theft just same. And, it only serves to burden the means of production and job creation.
JUNK: “It’s American workers who produce nearly everything. And these so called ‘job creators’ aren’t creating any jobs.”
The American people create jobs everyday. They will create more when government removes its unnecessary burden from the means of production. It’s simple economics.
It is a fallacy that government produces anything but waste. All they do is move the people’s money around at a loss. Thus, the failure of hope and change when the people needed their money the most.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2011, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
“Had those local government not wasted the people’s money on things they didn’t need”
And people like ourselves and our Republican colleagues should be the ones deciding what people really need.
POSTED BY: WALL STREET | OCTOBER 15, 2011, 9:56 PM 9:56 PM
Yes, it’s their form of ‘freedom’ when the Republcans and the rich decide what you people really need.
Posted by: Trans | October 15, 2011, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
The hope and change s o c i a l i s m of Obama failed.
POSTED BY: ANONYMOUS | OCTOBER 15, 2011, 10:20 PM 10:20 PM
Not so, the facts say it was Bush’s cut taxes for the rich and cut regulations for corporations that failed. What did his policies see? Big deficits, big debt, a banking and housing collapse – and an almost complete economic collapse that set all the world teetering. Maybe that is how you defined success, not me . . . . and not most regular, common-sense Americans.
POSTED BY: SAMI | OCTOBER 15, 2011, 10:28 PM 10:28 PM
Shhhh! Please don’t refer to anything in the past!
Posted by: Trans | October 15, 2011, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
SAMI: “Not so, the facts say it was Bush’s cut taxes for the rich and cut regulations for corporations that failed.”
Unburdening the means of production isn’t the problem and never will be as that’s where the production and job creation happens, not government. Government central planning in our housing market, on the other hand, is what caused our economy to falter, not the people’s suffocated free market.
SAMI: “. . . a banking and housing collapse – and an almost complete economic collapse that set all the world teetering.”
Yes, the government central planning in our housing market was disastrous. The people’s free market worked just fine in building this great country, less the government influence.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2011, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
“It is a fallacy that government produces anything but waste”
How shameful to describe our Armed Forces in this way. And the government our Founding Fathers created is something all real Americans are very proud of!
Posted by: Flag day | October 15, 2011, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
FLAG DAY: “How shameful to describe our Armed Forces in this way.”
They do an awesome job of protecting our country, but they don’t produce jobs or economic growth. That happens in the private sector. Only liberals use our military as a means to justify growing their tyrannical s o c i a i l i s t government. They use teachers, fire fighters, police, and children, why not our armed forces? All a means to a tyrannical end to them, nothing more.
FLAG DAY: “And the government our Founding Fathers created is something all real Americans are very proud of!”
Yeah, the advocated for limited government, not the monstrosity we have now. Get real!
Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2011, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
“They do an awesome job of protecting our country”
Yes, our completely government owned and operated military services.-not a “waste” at all!
Posted by: walk it back | October 15, 2011, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
SAMI: “Yes, our completely government owned and operated military services.-not a ‘waste’ at all!”
More word games. Within the context of job creation and economic growth, the government wastes the peoples money, period. Stop using our military to justify your failed hope and change s o c i a l i s m!
Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2011, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
“Within the context of job creation and economic growth, the government wastes the peoples money, period”
Keep up the good work, those trillions of dollars in tax breaks and loopholes must be protected at all hazards.
Posted by: Wall Street | October 15, 2011, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
POSTED BY: ANONYMOUS | OCTOBER 15, 2011, 11:06 PM 11:06 PM
Sorry, I don’t want Republicans making any decisions for me – already saw the disastrous results under George Bush. His tax cuts for the rich and cut regulations for corporations failed. What did we get? Big deficits, big debt, a banking and housing collapse – and an almost complete economic collapse that set all the world teetering.
Maybe that is how you defined success, not me . . . . and not most regular, common-sense Americans.
Posted by: Sami | October 15, 2011, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm
“Stop using our military to justify your failed hope and change s o c i a l i s m!”
El Presidente is using our military as he damn well pleases.
Posted by: foggy | October 15, 2011, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
SAMI: “Keep up the good work, those trillions of dollars in tax breaks and loopholes must be protected at all hazards.”
Those dollars are already taxed anyway. Taxing twice is the real loophole, which amounts taxation without representation.
And, speak for yourself and your fear of the people controlling their own destiny and growing their own economy. Liberals in government and dependent on government won’t let go of the people’s dollars easily.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2011, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
SAMI: “Not so, the facts say it was Bush’s cut taxes for the rich and cut regulations for corporations that failed.”
Unburdening the means of production isn’t the problem and never will be as that’s where the production and job creation happens, not government. Government central planning in our housing market, on the other hand, is what caused our economy to falter, not the people’s suffocated free market.
SAMI: “. . . a banking and housing collapse – and an almost complete economic collapse that set all the world teetering.”
Yes, the government central planning in our housing market was disastrous. The people’s free market worked just fine in building this great country, less the government influence.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2011, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
SAMI: “. . . a banking and housing collapse – and an almost complete economic collapse that set all the world teetering.”
Yes, the government central planning in our housing market was disastrous. The people’s free market worked just fine in building this great country, less the government influence.
POSTED BY: ANONYMOUS | OCTOBER 15, 2011, 11:27 PM 11:27 PM
You’re apparently not aware of the packaging and reselling of sub-prime mortgages as assets by the financial institutions, who then ‘bet against’ those assets through institutions like AIG. “Much wants more” as my father would occasionally say. Any surprise there was a collapse?
None of us Americans are interested in
Posted by: Sami | October 15, 2011, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
‘not the people’s suffocated free market’
Yeah the SEC really suffocated us by not allowing us to leverage more than 40 to 1.
Posted by: lehman bros | October 15, 2011, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
SAMI: “Any surprise there was a collapse?”
With government backing and encouraging all that risky debt, absolutely not. Which is the point. Get government out of the people’s free market. Why do liberals fear freedom?
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 12:06 am 12:06 am
SAMI: “‘Much wants more’ as my father would occasionally say.”
That’s rich coming from liberals who can’t get enough of the people’s money to the detriment of their economy. Much wants more indeed. Although, when you work for your own money, it hurts no one else.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 12:11 am 12:11 am
“With government backing and encouraging all that risky debt”
Risky debt? Whoever said that debt was ‘risky’? We gave most of it AAA ratings! We and the other major rating agencies are a completely private firms btw.
Posted by: S&P | October 16, 2011, 12:13 am 12:13 am
SAMI: “Whoever said that debt was ‘risky’?”
I think the loose lending standards backed by government and the resulting collapse beg to differ.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 12:17 am 12:17 am
“With government backing and encouraging all that risky debt”
Yeah, government backed all that risky debt, it’s why we’re still a major investment powerhouse to this very day….it gets funnier every time we hear it.
Posted by: Lehman bros | October 16, 2011, 12:48 am 12:48 am
SAMI: “Yeah the SEC really suffocated us by not allowing us to leverage more than 40 to 1.”
They were only leveraged at 30 to 1. It made sense, as government, who owned half the mortgage market was leveraged at twice that at 60 to 1. Of course, liberals conveniently always miss that incriminating fact. It’s always the free people and their free market, not the government meddling and distortion of the free market. They aren’t fooling anyone important. Thus, the ‘useful idiots’ that make up ‘occupy wall street.’
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 1:04 am 1:04 am
SAMI: “And people like ourselves and our Republican colleagues should be the ones deciding what people really need.”
Only liberals think giving the people their money back is ‘deciding what people really need.’ When they have their money back, they decide for themselves. When government confiscates it to waste growing government or spreading to those who don’t work for themselves, government is making the choice for them.
Democrats are only pro-choice when it comes to killing babies. When it comes to your money, they’ll make all the decisions. Hypocritical tyrants! More hope and change?
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 1:05 am 1:05 am
Of course it will be better for us if unemployment stays high up until the election…
Posted by: GOP | October 16, 2011, 1:20 am 1:20 am
We are the 99%. You are a Republican.
Posted by: Dane | October 16, 2011, 1:24 am 1:24 am
“Perry raised $13.4 million of his $17.2 million from donors giving between $2,500 and $5,000. He only raised $698,820 from donors giving less than $200, which was 4 percent of his total contributions”
Posted by: Sue | October 16, 2011, 1:34 am 1:34 am
“Only liberals think giving the people their money back is ‘deciding what people really need.”
And only right-wingers hope the public will buy the scam that cutting government programs and protections is somehow going to save them money. The only people who the Tea Party ultimately plans to give alot of money back to is those who already have by far the most of it.
Does that baloney sandwich come with cole slaw?
Posted by: Junk food junkie | October 16, 2011, 1:54 am 1:54 am
JUNK: “And only right-wingers hope the public will buy the scam that cutting government programs and protections is somehow going to save them money.”
It’s not about saving money, it’s about creating jobs and growing an economy — and government is the most inefficient way to grow an economy. There’s no good reason to grow our economy inefficiently through government and there never will be. And, it’s a straw-man argument to act as if conservatives are against free market protections — we are for protections that make the market safe and free, nothing more.
The free people and the free market that built this great country are not a ‘scam.’ That government can grow our economy more efficiently than the people is the real scam, as government produces nothing but waste as it moves the people’s money around.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 2:06 am 2:06 am
Democrats are only pro-choice when it comes to killing babies.
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Republicans are pro-choice when it comes to killing babies by denying them adequate medical care, if their parents aren’t covered or if they’re here illegally, or if the Republicans need to start a war. how many Iraqi babies died?
Posted by: fake high horse | October 16, 2011, 2:13 am 2:13 am
“There’s no good reason to grow our economy inefficiently through government and there never will be”
Yes there is despite how efficient it is or not We have millions of Americans who can’t wait around unemployed for the ten years or so it might take for the economy to crawl back again on its own. Debt to GDP is going to start to grow rapidly unless spending by all sectors increases. And arguing about the public either saving money or being given money back is just a word game–cutting medicare and social security does neither.
Posted by: junk food junkie | October 16, 2011, 2:24 am 2:24 am
JUNK: “We have millions of Americans who can’t wait around unemployed for the ten years or so it might take for the economy to crawl back again on its own.”
Government burdening the means of production and job creation is what has stalled our recovery. It won’t take 10 years to recover unless we bog down the source of our recovery as Obama did with his failed hope and change. There’s no good reason to grow our economy inefficiently through government and there never will be. No more. The American people won’t be fooled by the hope and change scam again!
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 2:36 am 2:36 am
It’s simple: The Tea Party wants to give huge tax breaks and give a lot of money back to those who already have almost half the nation’s wealth, while asking everybody else to make big sacrifices in public services and protections alleging it will somehow save them money. It’s got nothing to do with creating jobs, businesses are already just sitting on trillions of dollars without creating jobs There is absolutely no reason why the electorate should buy this scam.
Posted by: Junk food junkie | October 16, 2011, 2:45 am 2:45 am
JUNK: “It’s simple: The Tea Party wants to give huge tax breaks and give a lot of money back to those who already have almost half the nation’s wealth, while asking everybody else to make big sacrifices in public services and protections alleging it will somehow save them money.”
Conservatives want to unburden the means of production and job creation, while liberals want to bog down our recovery with more hope and change government waste to keep those Democrat votes coming in. The conservative approach will benefit all by recovering our economy efficiently and quickly, which is impossible with the government approach. That’s why Obama’s hope and change failed so miserably.
JUNK: “It’s got nothing to do with creating jobs, businesses are already just sitting on trillions of dollars without creating jobs.”
Given your logic, they’ll refuse the government money too then. If they will accept the money from government, they will accept the money from the people when they are allowed to spend it, less the government inefficiency and waste.
JUNK: “There is absolutely no reason why the electorate should buy this scam.”
Only liberals think the source of all job creation and production, the private sector, is a scam. More hope and change, anyone?
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 2:57 am 2:57 am
FAKE: “Republicans are pro-choice when it comes to killing babies by denying them adequate medical care . . .”
When all else fails, use the children, eh? Actually, their irresponsible parents would be the cause of their lack of care. I don’t have a problem providing safety net services to children. Although, their irresponsible parents should be limited from having further offspring until they can pay for their existing children and they should be responsible for their debt to society for the rest of their life. It’s never right to steal from the productive to pay for the unproductive.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 2:58 am 2:58 am
F A K E : ” . . . h o w m a n y I r a q i b a b i e s d i e d ? ”
P r o b a b l y a l o t l e s s h a d t h e ‘ B u t c h e r o f B a g h d a d , ‘ S a d d a m H u s s e i n , b e e n a l l o w e d t o c o n t i n u e h i s r e i g n o f t e r r o r a n d d e a t h . A l t h o u g h , h a d S a d d a m n o t s u p p o r t e d a n d c o o p e r a t e d w i t h i n t e r n a t i o n a l I s l a m i c t e r r o r i s t o r g a n i z a t i o n s , i n c l u d i n g a l – Q a e d a , a n d c o n t i n u e d d e v e l o p i n g W M D , h e m a y h a v e b e e n a l l o w e d t o k e e p h i s c o u n t r y . W e a r e a l l s a f e r t h a t h e d i d n ‘ t .
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 3:27 am 3:27 am
JUNK: “Repeating right-wing baloney endlessly . . . we don’t need a bogus translator to explain to us what we believe in or stand for, or to try and pass off propaganda as economics.”
Stating that the source of production is the people, not government is not ‘right-wing baloney.’ Only delusional liberals have a problem comprehending this.
JUNK: “The protests against Wall st are gaining popular support and rightly so…finally the public is getting mad at the right people.”
No they aren’t. Liberals still only represent a mere 20% of the country at most, while conservatives represent the majority. Last years elections and this year’s special elections show the writing on the wall for Obama and Democrats. This phony union and Democrat s o c i a l i s t movement isn’t fooling anyone important.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 3:36 am 3:36 am
We are the 99%. You are a Republican.
Posted by: David | October 16, 2011, 3:51 am 3:51 am
DAVID: “We are the 99%. You are a Republican.”
You are the 20%, at most, that represent the amount of liberals in this country. The majority are conservative!
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 3:58 am 3:58 am
DAVID: “We are the 99%. You are a Republican.”
You are the 20%, at most, that represent the amount of liberals in this country. The majority are conservative!
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 4:02 am 4:02 am
DAVID: “We are the 99%. You are a Republican.”
You are the 20%, at most, that represent the amount of liberals in this country. The majority are conservative!
POSTED BY: ANONYMOUS | OCTOBER 16, 2011, 4:02 AM 4:02 AM
All the definitions are shifting. The criminals, the bullies and the abuse are being found out by ordinary Americans everwhere. Your lies and propaganda no longer mask the truth. The days of your lies are numbered.
Posted by: David | October 16, 2011, 4:14 am 4:14 am
DAVID: “All the definitions are shifting.”
A bunch of dirty hippies protesting in favor of s o c i a l i s m hasn’t changed anything. Of course, that’s what liberals need everyone to believe for their scam to work. Why hide from your beliefs? Aren’t you proud of your s o c i a l i s m?
Liberals have represented 20% or less for the past 20 years, just as conservatives have been near majority or majority for the same amount of time. A bunch of smelly hippies whining about having to work aren’t going to change that.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 4:32 am 4:32 am
POSTED BY: ANONYMOUS | OCTOBER 16, 2011, 4:32 AM 4:32 AM
Sorry anoynmous, Mr. and Mrs ordinary American have also seen through the scam – they are part of the 99%. Your name calling is juvenile. Your lies and your propaganda are transparent.
Posted by: David | October 16, 2011, 4:57 am 4:57 am
Hey David,
I’m a 99%, you are a liberal
I’m a 53%, you are a liberal
I’m an independent, you are a liberal
2012 Vote conservative and give the country a fighting chance.
Posted by: Noz | October 16, 2011, 5:03 am 5:03 am
Whatever. (yawn)
Posted by: whatever | October 16, 2011, 6:41 am 6:41 am
Anonymous, Noz, the majority of Americans are NOT conservative.
Only 10% of Americans identify as very conservative.
Only 29% of Americans identify as socially conservative.
Roughly 40% identify as conservative in some way, including fiscally and somewhat.
The majority of Americans identify as not conservative, either moderate or liberal. But you both label all of them as liberal. However you choose to look at it, the majority of Americans are not part of your tribe.
The majority of Americans view the tea party and religious right negatively. The majority of Americans view jobs and the economy as a priority and blame Republicans for the Bush recession and the tea party downgrade.
The GOP is very unpopular. And why wouldn’t they be? They promised to focus on jobs and they haven’t. They blocked a bill that the majority of Americans support. They are out of step with Main street and mainstream America.
On top of that, Herman Cain wants to build an electrified and barb-wired fence that fries those who want to leave or enter the country. He also has long ties to AFP and the Koch brothers. His 999 plan is a plan to raise taxes on the middle and lower classes, significantly.
Of course, he’s right when he points out that Romney isn’t a staunch conservative, he just panders to them for political expediency.
But the problem for the noisy minority– those who identify as very conservative and/or socially conservative, or even somewhat conservative– is that it is impossible for them to find a candidate who represents their principles and doesn’t sound crazy. Bachmann, Perry, Cain… all say crazy things. Why? The ideology lends itself to that.
Time to vote sensible… for an independent, moderate or democrat. Far right wingers don’t represent the 60% or the 99%.
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 11:43 am 11:43 am
‘The criminals, the bullies and the abuse are being found out by ordinary Americans everwhere.’
Ordinary Americans in President Goldman Sach’s administration can’t find a banker to prosecute for anything.
Posted by: foggy | October 16, 2011, 11:59 am 11:59 am
“A bunch of dirty hippies protesting “…
Yesterday there were demonstrations related to the Occupy/We’re the 99% movement in 951 cities in 82 countries. There were demonstrations in NY, Chicago, Denver, Phoenix, Tucson, Fort Meyers, Memphis, Boston, Washington, D.C, London, Berlin, Montreal, etc, etc, etc.
Martin Luther King III wrote a piece in the Washington Post called “Martin Luther King’s legacy for today” and he reminds us that “Martin Luther King Jr. was an impassioned advocate of economic justice as well as social justice. As he said, “The right to sit at a lunch counter is empty if you cannot afford a meal.” He believed that every American family deserved to have decent living standards, including employment, adequate housing, nourishment, health care, education for children and safe, thriving communities. The 1963 March on Washington, during which he gave his historic “I Have a Dream” speech, was a march for “Jobs and Justice,” rooted in the conviction that it is not possible to have one without the other.”
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
POSTED BY: BEN | OCTOBER 15, 2011, 9:46 AM 9:46 AM. Your brainwashed, were are the millions of jobs he promised the first time around, oh I forgot its Bushes fault. You say the teapartiers lie, sorry the democrats have a monopoly on that. Every time they open their mouth nothing but lies come out, encluding your.
Posted by: Lizzie | October 16, 2011, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
“Ordinary Americans in President Goldman Sach’s administration can’t find a banker to prosecute for anything”
Of course not. Nobody can realistically claim our activities were very smart, but the Bush administration, the SEC and the Fed under Greenspan took steps so that all our activities were legal.
Posted by: bankers | October 16, 2011, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Kimberly, when part of the protestors are paid between $350 and $650 a week, to agitate and have no clue why they there, what does that tell you. Maybe your being payed also to spew your rhetoric, if not you should ask, Code Pink, Adbuster (sponsored by George Soros) or the SEIU for payment.
Posted by: Lizzie | October 16, 2011, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
Lizzie, the demonstration in NY was one of the biggest to date. It’s growing. There were demonstrations related to the Occupy/We’re the 99% movement in 951 cities in 82 countries. In addition to NY, there were demonstrations Chicago, Denver, Phoenix, Tucson, Fort Meyers, Memphis, Boston, Washington, D.C, London, Berlin, Montreal, Spain, and so on… look it up!
Only a stooge would think the demonstrators were paid astroturf — or someone projecting their own situation as a member of the highly unpopular tea party.
“If he were alive today, I believe he would remind us that the unemployed worker can rightly challenge the excesses of Wall Street without demonizing all who work there,” the president said. “Those with power and privilege will often decry any call for change as divisive. They’ll say any challenge to the existing arrangements are unwise and destabilizing. Dr. King understood that peace without justice was no peace at all.” — President Obama.
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
KIMBERLY: “Yesterday there were demonstrations related to the Occupy/We’re the 99% movement in 951 cities in 82 countries.”
Yes, there are dirty hippies on every continent. It turns out laziness is pandemic.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
KIMBERLY: “Anonymous, Noz, the majority of Americans are NOT conservative.”
Yes, they are. According to the last few years of Gallup ‘US Political Ideology’ polls, most Americans are conservative at 40%. Liberals have represented a mere 20%, at most, over the last 20 years the poll has been taken.
Conservative – 40%
Independent – 35%
Liberal – 20%
KIMBERLY: “The majority of Americans identify as not conservative, either moderate or liberal.”
It’s not accurate to combine independents and liberals, as the poll wasn’t conducted that way.
KIMBERLY: “But you both label all of them as liberal.”
Actually, conservatives don’t need to manipulate the poll results as you do. When comparing conservatives, independents, and liberals, a majority are conservative, period. Stop lying to people. You aren’t fooling anyone important.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
Yes, there are dirty hippies on every continent. It turns out laziness is pandemic.
POSTED BY: ANONYMOUS | OCTOBER 16, 2011, 2:23 PM 2:23 PM
I’ve seen the photos. There are people from all walks of life participating. Your name calling says more about you than about anyone else.
Posted by: Chuck | October 16, 2011, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
Will Media Report Racism and Anti-Semitism at Occupy Wall Street Protests? Definitely not
Posted by: Give them a job | October 16, 2011, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
The top 1% of Americans own more of the nation’s wealth than all of the bottom 90%’s wealth combined.
Posted by: Ken | October 16, 2011, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Will Media Report Racism and Anti-Semitism at Occupy Wall Street Protests? Definitely not
POSTED BY: GIVE THEM A JOB | OCTOBER 16, 2011, 2:30 PM 2:30 PM
Will Media Report talking green pigs at Occupy Wall Street Protests? Definitely not
Posted by: Larry | October 16, 2011, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Give them a job, the demonstration in NY was one of the biggest to date. The movement is growing– it represents the 99% in all its diversity. There were demonstrations related to the Occupy/We’re the 99% movement in 951 cities in 82 countries. In addition to NY, there were demonstrations Chicago, Denver, Phoenix, Tucson, Fort Meyers, Baton Rouge, Memphis, Boston, Washington, D.C, Rome, London, Berlin, Montreal, Spain, and so on…
But here’s the bottom line as it relates to the economy and this blog, a vote for the Republican presidential ticket is a vote for fewer industry safeguards, and a return to the conditions that allowed the 2008 crash to happen in the first place.
The GOP is not only out of step with America and the 99%, but also the world.
Did I mention that the Occupy movement has also reached Maine where activists want to know why their “moderate” Republican senators didn’t hesitate to kill a people-supported jobs bill this week, despite its inclusion of popular, bipartisan provisions?
Good question. Even moderate Republican senators have been forced to act against their and the country’s best interests.
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
CHUCK: “There are people from all walks of life participating.”
You’re right, the overpaid union activists are usually clean. Their dirt is hidden on the inside.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
Anonymous, absolutely NO Gallup ‘US Political Ideology’ polls has a breakdown of conservative, independent, liberal. Not one. Your information is bogus.
Only 10% of Americans identify as very conservative.
Only 29% of Americans identify as socially conservative.
Roughly 40% identify as conservative in some way, including fiscally and somewhat.
The majority of Americans identify as not conservative, either moderate or liberal.
The GOP, the tea party, the religious right, social conservatives are all viewed very negatively. They are very unpopular and they are out of step with mainstream America.
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
CHUCK: “There are people from all walks of life participating.”
You’re right, the overpaid union activists are usually clean. Their dirt is hidden on the inside.
POSTED BY: ANONYMOUS | OCTOBER 16, 2011, 2:38 PM 2:38 PM
Oh boy, insults to go along with the name calling . . . the Republican right wing are losing their bearings.
Posted by: Chuck | October 16, 2011, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Good question. Even moderate Republican senators have been forced to act against their and the country’s best interests.
POSTED BY: KIMBERLY | OCTOBER 16, 2011, 2:36 PM 2:36 PM
The jig is up. People everywhere are seeing through the Republicans self-serving political games.
Posted by: Blaine | October 16, 2011, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
the Republican right wing are losing their bearings.
Posted by: Chuck | October 16, 2011, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
They’ve been missing for a long time which is why the GOP, its tea party, its congressional members, its religious right and its presidential candidates are so very unpopular. They’ve misinterpreted the message they were sent in ’06 and ’08 and turned themselves into a party of crackpots, zealots and greed-driven robber barons, and/or panderers to crackpots and zealots and greed-driven robber barons .
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
The top 1% of Americans own more of the nation’s wealth than all of the bottom 90%’s wealth combined.
Posted by: Ken | October 16, 2011, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
“The top 1 per cent have the best houses, the best educations, the best doctors, and the best lifestyles, but there is one thing that money doesn’t seem to have bought: an understanding that their fate is bound up with how the other 99 per cent live. Throughout history, this is something that the top 1 per cent eventually do learn.
Too Late.”
— Joseph Stiglitz
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
KIMBERLY: “. . . absolutely NO Gallup ‘US Political Ideology’ polls has a breakdown of conservative, independent, liberal. Not one. Your information is bogus.”
Your failure to do a simple web search doesn’t translate to my information being bogus. The only people you are fooling are those who are too lazy to do the web search, which isn’t anyone important, as they won’t be motivated to vote either. Your efforts are hollow and fruitless.
For those interested in the truth, search for the following to find the long-running Gallup poll I’ve referenced:
“U.S. Political Ideology Stable With Conservatives Leading”
Conservative – 40%
Independent – 35%
Liberal – 20%
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
KIMBERLY and/or CHUCK, moderates are indpendents. More petty meaningless word games. That’s all you have. None of which erases the fact that, according to the long-running Gallup poll I’ve referenced:
“U.S. Political Ideology Stable With Conservatives Leading”
Conservative – 40%
Independent/Moderate – 35%
Liberal – 20%
And, before you cite that the numbers aren’t exact, I rounded down conservatives and independents for ease of reading.
Glad to see you could find the poll that didn’t exist, by the way. LOL!
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Anonymous, Absolutely NO Gallup ‘US Political Ideology’ poll has a breakdown of conservative, independent, liberal. Not one. Your information is bogus. Cite the date of any single one, and we’ll check it. But, certainly, you ought to check it. It is sloppy to misquote polls as many times as you do– over and over like a crazy robot.
FYI: In all cases they poll for conservative, Moderate, liberal… and in every case that the majority is not conservative. According to your own bogus, made up information, 60% of Americans are unwilling to identify themselves as conservatives.
The GOP, its tea party, its agenda, its congressional candidates and its GOP candidates are very unpopular and out of step with mainstream America.
They are blatant hypocrites. They promised to focus on jobs, and they haven’t. They’ve blocked a popular bill. They took solemn pledges not to raise taxes but now they’re promoting tax hikes.
However piously they cite Reagan as their idol, the Republican candidates are universally supportive of repealing the earned income tax credit, which Reagan praised in 1986 as “the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job creation measure to come out of Congress.”
Polls show that most Americans — including most Republican voters — strongly favor raising rates on the wealthiest taxpayers, BUT the GOP leadership has sworn to prevent any such reform. So much for Boehner’s promise to listen to the people. Rather than close the grossest loopholes and deductions exploited by billionaires, Republican politicians want to punish all those families living large on $300 a week or less.
The GOP versus America… enough already.
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
osted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Independents and moderates are not the same thing and there is NO gallup poll that breaks it out as you have. Not one. Those are the facts.
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Meanwhile the Time poll has support for the Wall st protesters at TWICE that as for the Tea Party, 54 to 27 while support for congressional Republicans plummets.
Posted by: numbers | October 16, 2011, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
KIMBERLY and/or CHUCK, for the sake of our discussion regarding political ideology, independents and moderates are the same.
For the petty, according to the long-running Gallup poll I’ve referenced:
“U.S. Political Ideology Stable With Conservatives Leading”
Conservative – 40%
Moderate – 35%
Liberal – 20%
Glad to see you could find the poll that didn’t exist, by the way. I knew you could do it. LOL!
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
p.s. to A, I’m not surprised you don’t understand the definitions of moderate and independent and how they differ as you also seem incapable of grasping the meaning of majority.
A moderate is a person who is moderate and reasonable in opinion and opposed to extreme views and actions, especially in politics or religion. In American politics, the term is also used as to denote a tendency toward centrism. Most democrats and independents are moderates. Some Republicans are too, though lately, the GOP has become unwelcoming to anyone who isn’t very conservative or is unwilling to at least pander endlessly to the very conservative, which represents only 1 out of every 10 Americans. No wonder the GOP is increasingly unpopular and viewed as insane, right?
Independents are politicians and voters who are unaffiliated with one of the two major parties in the United States. They can be radically left or right, conservative, liberal, a Green, a Libertarian, a Hipster (hipsters like independence), a member of the Alaskan secession party, or they can be centrist and moderate.
There is a difference between independents and moderates. Moderates are NOT conservative.
The majority of Americans are NOT conservative.
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
“for the sake of our discussion regarding political ideology, independents and moderates are the same.”
No, they’re not the same thing. It’s sloppiness and misinformation to keep making that claim.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
A recent poll by CBS found a similar margin. The Wall st protests are about twice as popular with Americans as the Tea Party. To think the Tea party message is being completely overshadowed by a bunch of ‘dirty hippies’! Ouch,that’s gotta hurt.
Posted by: numbers | October 16, 2011, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
OKay…. that was weird.. I meant to post that last post “No, they’re not the same thing. It’s sloppiness and misinformation to keep making that claim.” as me.
Merely 10% of Americans identify as very conservative.
Only 29% of Americans identify as socially conservative.
Roughly 40% identify as conservative in some way, including fiscally and somewhat.
The majority of Americans– 60% or more– identify as not very conservative, not somewhat conservative, not socially conservative, but RATHER as moderates or liberals.
The majority of Americans disapprove of the job Congressional republicans are doing and want Congress to stop the dysfunction and do something about jobs.
The majority of Americans support the provisions in the jobs bill.
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
KIMBERLY: “The majority of Americans are NOT conservative.”
When comparing conservatives, moderates, and liberals, conservatives are in the majority. Get over your petty little word games. As usual, when you lose the argument, you resort to obstructing constructive debate. Again, you aren’t fooling anyone important. Therefor, your efforts are hollow and fruitless.
According to the last few years of Gallup ‘U.S. Political Ideology’ polls, most Americans are conservative at 40%. Liberals have represented a mere 20%, at most, over the last 20 years the poll has been taken.
“U.S. Political Ideology Stable With Conservatives Leading”
Conservative – 40%
Moderate – 35%
Liberal – 20%
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
The Wall st protests are about twice as popular with Americans as the Tea Party. To think the Tea party message is being completely overshadowed by a bunch of ‘dirty hippies’! Ouch,that’s gotta hurt.
Posted by: numbers | October 16, 2011, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
The Occupy movement is about so much more, and is more inclusive. The tea party’s message was very self-centered and fear oriented. No wonder the GOP and its tea party have become so unpopular. They just don’t get it.
“The top 1 per cent have the best houses, the best educations, the best doctors, and the best lifestyles, but there is one thing that money doesn’t seem to have bought: an understanding that their fate is bound up with how the other 99 per cent live. Throughout history, this is something that the top 1 per cent eventually do learn.
Too Late.”
— Joseph Stiglitz
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Anonymous, thank you for correcting your repeated and deceitful error.
The word games were on your part and needed to be fixed or called out. Your kitty claws because you were called out fail to intimidate me.
A majority means more than half, most.
Most Americans, the majority, are NOT conservative, and actually view the tea party and Congressional Republicans very negatively.
Today’s so called “conservatives” are actually radical reactionaries. They’d like to return to the 1920s — before Social Security, unemployment insurance, labor laws, the minimum wage, Medicare and Medicaid, worker safety laws, the Environmental Protection Act, the Glass-Steagall Act, the Securities and Exchange Act, and the Voting Rights Act.
America isn’t up for that. The radicalized GOP is wrong and out of step with the majority of America.
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
“Get over your petty little word games.”
You should follow your own advice.
Posted by: Stephanie | October 16, 2011, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
KIMBERLY: “A majority means . . . most.”
Correct. When comparing conservatives, moderates, and liberals, conservatives are in the majority.
According to the last few years of Gallup ‘U.S. Political Ideology’ polls, most Americans are conservative at 40%. Liberals have represented a mere 20%, at most, over the last 20 years the poll has been taken.
“U.S. Political Ideology Stable With Conservatives Leading”
Conservative – 40%
Moderate – 35%
Liberal – 20%
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
And yet the majority of Americans are not conservative. Most Americans choose not to identify with conservatives, and certainly, most Americans choose not to identify with regressive reactionary Republicans.
As noted above, The Wall st protests are about twice as popular with Americans as the Tea Party. The tea party is viewed very negatively as are congressional republicans.
70% of Americans disapprove of Congressional republicans.
The GOP candidates are disappointing, too. They want to raise taxes on the middle class and pledge not to tax the wealthiest Americans. It’s bizarre.
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
SPAMMER:
Conservative – 40%
Moderate – 35%
Liberal – 20%
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And these are the best numbers you’re likely to see.
Posted by: numbers | October 16, 2011, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
KIMBERLY: “They want to raise taxes on the middle class and pledge not to tax the wealthiest Americans. It’s bizarre.”
That’s a straw-man argument, as conservatives want lower taxes for all. They want to lower the burden on the means of production and job creation, benefiting the economy for all. Only liberals find that bizarre. More hope and change, anyone? I didn’t think so.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
70% of Americans disapprove of Congressional republicans.
POSTED BY: KIMBERLY | OCTOBER 16, 2011, 4:38 PM 4:38 PM
Americans all across the country are waking up to their divisive tactics and failed approaches.
Posted by: Janna | October 16, 2011, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
NUMBERS and/or KIMBERLY and/or JANNA and/or etc, I’d gladly post once, if others did the same and didn’t require repeated correction.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Anonymous, the GOP frontrunner of the moment is Cain with his 999 plan that raises taxes on the middle class. All of the GOP candidates have either pledged or stated their intent not to raise taxes on the wealthy but all now agree that they will raise taxes on what they characterize as the freeloading middle class. And so called “conservatives” (the zealots and crackpots, previously mentioned) are woot-wooting them on thinking falsely they will spared, that maybe by then they won’t be one of the 99% that is getting passed over and exploited. Shrinking the middle class and/or taxing the heck out of them smacks of what the American revolution was all about in the first place. Stiglitz gets it right in the quote @ 4:16 pm
However piously the GOP cites Reagan as their idol, the Republican candidates are universally supportive of repealing the earned income tax credit, which Reagan praised in 1986 as “the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job creation measure to come out of Congress.”
Polls show that most Americans — including most Republican voters — strongly favor raising rates on the wealthiest taxpayers, BUT the GOP leadership has sworn to prevent any such reform. So much for Boehner’s promise to listen to the people. Rather than close the grossest loopholes and deductions exploited by billionaires, Republican politicians want to punish all those families living large on $300 a week or less.
Mitt Romney is beating Obama’s fundraising on Wall Street, but nowhere else, since Obama raised more than 5 times what Mitt did during the last cycle.
What is he missing? The Wall st protests are about twice as popular with Americans as the Tea Party. The tea party is viewed very negatively as are congressional republicans.
70% of Americans disapprove of Congressional republicans.
The majority of Americans don’t view corporations as people, too.
The GOP versus America… enough already.
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
Anonymous, I think you’re putting the cart before the horse there. There would be no need to correct your propagandic misinformation if you didn’t post it in the first place, or paid more attention to fact and accuracy at the get-go. Also, there would be no need for repetition if you didn’t keep reposting propagandic misinformation over and over again with glaring errors in tact. On top of that, not many people are interested in right wing zealous ideology over reason and fact. The tea party and its propaganda are extremely unpopular now, as are congressional republicans.
Most Americans support the jobs bill and would like the dysfunction caused by the GOP to stop.
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
KIMBERLY: “Anonymous, the GOP frontrunner of the moment is Cain with his 999 plan that raises taxes on the middle class.”
Actually, the 9% flat income tax is less than the current lowest tax bracket of 10%. With a flat tax all are paying their true fair share of government. I thought that’s what you liberals wanted? Guess not. If fact, you want the productive to pay for the unproductive. That’s s o c i a l i s m, that’s not what built America or what we are all about.
KIMBERLY: “70% of Americans disapprove of Congressional republicans.”
Not based on last year’s congressional elections and this year’s special elections, the only polls that count.
Not to mention (that’s right I did mention this a few times), according to the last few years of Gallup ‘U.S. Political Ideology’ polls, most Americans are conservative at 40%. Liberals have represented a mere 20%, at most, over the last 20 years the poll has been taken.
“U.S. Political Ideology Stable With Conservatives Leading”
Conservative – 40%
Moderate – 35%
Liberal – 20%
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
Anonymous, most Americans will end up paying close to 27% in taxes per Cain’s plan. Middle and low-income Americans get most if not all of of their income from ordinary wages ,which would be subject to Cain’s 9 percent wage tax. They also spend a large portion of their income, which would be taxed again by the 9 percent sales tax. Lastly, the 9 percent business income tax would be passed on to them as well via either lower wages or higher prices for goods and services.
And then there’s the fact that the budget deficit would go up, not down.
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
SPAMMER:
“Not based on last year’s congressional elections and this year’s special elections, the only polls that count.”
Sure, congressional Republicans are wise to totally ignore the fact that their approval ratings are some of the lowest in history and continue to fall. Since 40% of Americans identify themselves as conservative they’ll be just fine.
Posted by: numbers | October 16, 2011, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
KIMBERLY: “Anonymous, most Americans will end up paying close to 27% in taxes per Cain’s plan.”
If that were the case and that were considered too high, that’s only indication that government is too large. Why do you not want all American’s to pay their fair share of government? That’s what liberals are all about I thought. Of course, you are for others paying your fair share. You never fooled anyone and 999 calls your bluff.
KIMBERLY: “Middle and low-income Americans get most if not all of of their income from ordinary wages ,which would be subject to Cain’s 9 percent wage tax.”
Again, that’s lower than the current lowest tax bracket of 10%. Even liberals know 10% is greater than 9%.
KIMBERLY: “. . . which would be taxed again by the 9 percent sales tax. Lastly, the 9 percent business income tax would be passed on to them as well . . .”
Since the current corporate tax is 16%-35%, lowering it to 9% will result in lower prices making up for the difference — and quite a bit in most cases.
KIMBERLY: “And then there’s the fact that the budget deficit would go up, not down.”
Liberals always say that of conservatives. In truth, Cain’s plan will reduce the budget through budget cuts and expanded revenue through growth.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
Don’t waste time considering a right-wing scam artist’s interpretation of the Cain scam….listen to economists. It’s a joke.
Posted by: numbers | October 16, 2011, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
KO:And then there’s the fact that the budget deficit would go up, not down.”
AN: Liberals always say that of conservatives.
Um… maybe they remember Reagan, Bush, Dubya, Cheney..; check their records.
“Conservatives” increase the deficit and debt in direct conflict with the ideology they espouse. Liars? Hypocrites? Panderers? I don’t know. I just don’t vote for them. They’re not credible.
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
“Even liberals know 10% is greater than 9%.”
What are you talking about? The 47 percent of Americans who file taxes but currently pay no federal income taxes would pay 9 percent on their gross income. Elimination of the payroll tax won’t help fifty percent of them because the plan abolishes the earned income tax credit, the one which Reagan Reagan praised in 1986 as “the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job creation measure to come out of Congress.”
On top of that everyone would pay a 9 percent sales tax — in addition to state and local taxes– on all purchases. No exemptions from this tax are offered up, so it appears to apply to food, medical care, rent, home and auto purchases and other expenditures that are currently exempt from state sales taxes. So the cost of living is going up 9 percent.
Its being called a monstrosity by a wide range of economists and tax experts from the left, right and middle. It sets up the infrastructure for a VAT… it could be increased down the road… money machine… regressive… doesn’t lower deficit or debt…
ABC and NRO both crunched numbers and found that the average middle class family would pay 32 percent more in taxes. That is a tax hike.
So much for Republican promises, right?
Posted by: Kimberly | October 16, 2011, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
KIMBERLY: “The 47 percent of Americans who file taxes but currently pay no federal income taxes would pay 9 percent on their gross income.”
You mean you want to keep the loopholes. I thought liberals wanted everyone to pay their fair share of government. Under the 999 flat tax everybody does. What’s wrong with that? Stop avoiding the question.
If it turns out the people find 999 to be too much, they can lobby their elected representatives to reduce the burden of government. Everybody wins except the free loaders.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm
“to reduce the burden of government. Everybody wins except the free loaders”
The claim that taxes burden the economy is a myth. Before 1980 the income tax rate on the highest earners was nearly 70%. Now it’s only less than 35% and the economy grew much faster back then than it has ever since.
Posted by: numbers | October 16, 2011, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
NUMBERS: “The claim that taxes burden the economy is a myth.”
Since government creates nothing but waste as it moves the people’s money around, it is myth that government grows anything. The people produce the jobs and economic growth, not government. You’ll never be able to prove different and you know it.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
The reason low income earners pay no income taxes is because they make so little income. But they also pay a larger share of their income in other taxes than anybody else. Applying the term ‘freeloader to them and not to corporations who earn baziilions more dollars yet sometimes pay no taxes is a classic example that class warfare has been well underway in this country for quite awhile, and not coming from the bottom up.
Posted by: numbers | October 16, 2011, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
Notice that ideologues do not typically employ and usually avoid numbers, because the numbers usually speak against them.
Posted by: numbers | October 16, 2011, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
NUMBERS: “The reason low income earners pay no income taxes is because they make so little income. But they also pay a larger share of their income in other taxes than anybody else.”
Not with a flat tax like 999. Look up the definition of a flat tax before you start smearing it again. What’s wrong with everyone paying their fair share of government? Stop avoiding the question.
NUMBERS: “Applying the term ‘freeloader . . .”
. . . is completely accurate for those not paying their fair share of government. A flat tax eliminates the inequity.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
NUMBERS: “Notice that ideologues do not typically employ and usually avoid numbers, because the numbers usually speak against them.”
Yes, they do. That’s why we reduces the high income tax we had going into the 80s with the lower one we have today to spur economic growth. The high taxes were literally suffocating our economy. It makes sense to people who know government doesn’t grow a thing but waste as they move the people’s money around. That’s why burdening the means of production and job growth is always detrimental to our economy. That’s also why Obama’s hope and change was such an epic failure.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
“It makes sense to people who know government doesn’t grow a thing but waste as they move the people’s money around”
Most Americans know better, which explains the enormous popularity of Medicare and Social Security, programs with less overhead and bureaucracy than any private alternative.
A solid majority of Americans feel corporations and the highest earners are not paying their fair share. -Thus the growing popularity of the wall street protests.
Posted by: numbers | October 16, 2011, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
ANONYMOUS: “It makes sense to people who know government doesn’t grow a thing but waste as they move the people’s money around.”
NUMBERS: “Most Americans know better, which explains the enormous popularity of Medicare and Social Security, programs with less overhead and bureaucracy than any private alternative.”
Wrong. Government is just moving the people’s money around, at a loss. If that money had stayed in the private sector, there is no government overhead, period. The private sector produces, the government just moves money around, wastefully. You can’t escape this simple fact.
NUMBERS: “A solid majority of Americans feel corporations and the highest earners are not paying their fair share.”
A flat tax, like 999, eliminates that. I thought liberals were for everyone paying their fair share of government. Liberals even call it patriotic. Why is a flat tax, that enforces everyone paying their fair share not patriotic? Stop avoiding the question. Everytime you do, you add another nail to the coffin of the scam that is your dying liberalism. The clock is ticking to November!
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
Private health insurance premiums have been steadily rising faster than Medicare costs. Medicare is more efficient and cost effective than private insurance. The numbers speak against you once again.
Posted by: numbers | October 16, 2011, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
“Of course not. Nobody can realistically claim our activities were very smart, but the Bush administration, the SEC and the Fed under Greenspan took steps so that all our activities were legal.” – bankers
You forgot to give credit to Clinton for setting up the Framework-4-Failure™.
Posted by: Noz | October 17, 2011, 9:27 am 9:27 am
Remember the Republican worshiped “Laffer Curve” – at the heart of Reagan’s trickle-down economics and used again during the Bush era? Art Laffer, a member of Reagan’s Economic Policy Advisory Board and the guy who sketched the Laffer Curve fantasy, has now come out and endorsed Herman Cain’s 999 tax plan.
LOL! If this doesn’t explain the Republican fantasy world – Rich people pay less taxes while Cain says his 999 plan “may” increase taxes for the poor. But heck, they can “stretch their dollar” by buying “used goods”. Still no explanation about what “used food” means. I guess all this prosperity creates jobs in Laffer land.
And Cain is a Republican front runner.
Posted by: green.goddess | October 17, 2011, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
NUMBERS: “Private health insurance premiums have been steadily rising faster than Medicare costs.”
I wouldn’t be bragging about your unsustainable Medicare. You’re comparing apples to oranges anyway. Government regulates private insurance and has an endless supply of taxpayer money to keep the system going. Further, much of the rise in premiums on private insurance is due to government regulation. Most can easily see government has quite an unfair advantage over private insurance. Therefore, your comparison is false.
NUMBERS: “Medicare is more efficient and cost effective than private insurance. The numbers speak against you once again.”
Your warped false comparisons mean nothing. Government only produces waste as it moves the people’s money around. Your s o c i a l i s m is a scam no matter which way you try to present it. You speak against yourself yet again.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 17, 2011, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
John Herrera… You are wrong about Obama’s so-called job’s bill. I’ll bet you haven’t even read it. The republicans have submitted several jobs bills, but Harry Reid will not allow them on the floor to be voted on. If Obama would show a little bipartisanship he would get a lot further. But, since he gets up and blames everyone else for our stale economy and jobs, instead of admitting his part of the blame.
Who would want to work with someone that continually berates you and blames you for all the ills in the country, but he never admits to any blame after he has screwed up the country so much so that it is unrecognizable? He is the only president I have heard utter the words “I am the President” in anger when someone else had a difference of opinion. That is definitely not presidential. Sounds more like something a snotty nosed kindergarten child would say.
Posted by: jabo jones | November 2, 2011, 5:05 am 5:05 am