Student Challenges Bachmann on Gay Rights

Bachmann is just a total idiot. She says things while ignorant of the entire issue being addressed. Gays cannot simply marry someone of the opposite and be cured. Both spouses would be miserable. It happens a lot with closeted gays, many of them Christians or Republicans, LOL, but it is never successful, happy, loving, or fulfilling.

Yes! that is the answer!1 Instead of allowing two people to be happy, let’s make four people miserable in loveless marriages! [KIDDING!} The only people who would benefit are the divorce lawyers! This woman is a TWIT!!

I see you have you agenda based filter on for this thread.
I am unable to make a conservative salient point here.
Something very civil which exposes the illogic of the 16 year olds attempt at making her case.

Actually, her response perfectly explains why her husband married her. Because he is so obviously a deeply repressed gay man…………….

NOZ,

Your right that the term Separation of Church and State is not in the Constitution. That term was actually coined by Thomas Jefferson.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Prayers in School is against the Constitution. The Government both Federal and State(With the passing of the 14th and 15th amendments) cannot actively use its position to further any religion. Prayers in School is a violation of that and will not be tolerated.

That’s right Christopher but if student’s on their own want to say prayers before class for example then the constitution protects their right to do so.

“the MAJORITY of people in this nation are getting SICK of these FANATICAL RELIGIOUS FOOLS trying to run our Government by means of religion.” – Demnme5

Are you railing against the Minority Media which wishes to impose it’s will on us based on their Fanatical Pop Culture Religion of Liberalism?

MIKE: So do you NOT see WHY a man as smart as Thomas Jefferson DID see a strong reason for separation of church and state? HE is the type of person we NEED now. Someone that BELIEVES in God and DOES NOT try to USE that in his Governance of this Nation!!!! Very FEW people want a person like Michelle Bachmann that would CITE religion in too many things that OUGHT NOT to be in our Government!!!

NOZ: “TuneTown, seperation of Church and State is not in the Constitution. Get a copy and read it.” – - – NOZ, the fact that the actual words “Seperation of Church and State” are not in the Constitution is totally irrelevant. The meaning and intent is there for anyone capable of engaging in independent rational thought while applying proper logic, grammar, and semantics to a contextual interpretation. A fundamental reality of language is that the meaning of language goes far beyond the literal meaning of the words. – - – NOZ: ” Marriage is the Union of a Man and a Woman.” – - – NOT in every culture. Another fundamental reality of language is that ALL meaning & ALL definitions are arbitrary at one point and fluid after another point. People can choose to ascribe whatever meaning thay want to any symbol, even words. This is why the government needs to get out of the marriage business and replace it with the civil union business that ONLY the government does to grant certain legal rights, benefits, and privileges. That would make the definition of marriage totally irrelevant.

NOZ: “Are you railing against the Minority Media which wishes to impose it’s will on us based on their Fanatical Pop Culture Religion of Liberalism?” – - – “Minority Media”? What does that even mean? Talk about someone who has no respect for the meaning of words. And “”Religion of Liberalism”? There you are perverting/distorting the meaning of two words. Do you simply define liberalism as whatever you disagree with? That is not what liberal or liberalism mean. Can you even rationally define either? Railing against the media over constitutional matters is pointless because the Constitution ONLY protects us from government action, not media action. The media can do whatever it wants within the limits of the law and we can then choose to ignore the media or not. But the media cannot violate the Constitution in the process. The government on the other hand is a different matter. One of the things the Constitution is supposed to do is prevent the government from legislating religious beliefs and practices. When one group of people (i.e. Christians) manages to use the government as its proxy to impose their religious beliefs upon everyone else through the force of law then we have a de facto establishment of religion. We would then effectively have an implicit, or covert, or stealth state religion. The only thing missing would be an official designation of Christianity as the state religion. As any clear thinking person capable of engaging in independent rational thought can see, that would violate the intent of the Establishment Clause. Essentially, part of the meaning and intent of the Establishment Clause is to ensure that we have a seperation of church and state. In part that means no legislating religious beliefs or practices.

Look, Folks. This strategy worked for Michelle’s husband, so Michelle is assuming it will work for the rest of us.

All tragedy aside — or maybe not — lesbians and gays marring people of the opposite sex would surely lead to heartbreak.

I did it before I realized I was gay and the heartbreak was enormous for both my ex-wife AND me. We deeply loved each other but couldn’t make things work.

Michelle is clueless, too, when she says: “There shouldn’t be any special rights or special set of criteria based on people preferences. ”

EXACTLY!!! In the present situation, heterosexuals have special rights based on their preferences. We want those rights extended to the rest of us!

I am in no way a supporter of Bachman, she’s an airhead. BUT, on the issue of legal marriage, where would the anti man/woman marriage people draw the line? Seriously, if we allow any human adult to marry any human adult of his/her choice, we allow brothers to marry sisters, cousins to marry uncles, mothers to marry sons. There is no law that says that marriage has to include a sexual relationship, so, especially in tough economic times, it might be economically beneficial to arrange some strange “marriages”. Is this really the can of worms you want to open?

She should have said for one it’s not biologically possible for two men or two women to have kids nor are the sexual organs useful for face to face sexual encounters.

It is absolutely idiotic to argue about these things. Love is love, whether between a man and a woman or between two women or between two men. You don’t need marriage to have love, but it IS wrong to deny it to someone who wishes to marry, just because they want to marry a person of the same sex. Homosexuality is found in ALL species. HomoPHOBIA is found in ONE. Which do you think the universe will see as strange?

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY
1. Leviticus 18:22
“Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.
Leviticus 18:21-23 (in Context) Leviticus 18 (Whole Chapter)
2. Leviticus 20:13
“If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
Leviticus 20:12-14 (in Context) Leviticus 20 (Whole Chapter)
3. 1 Corinthians 6:9
Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 6 (Whole Chapter)
4. Timothy 1:10
The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching
1 Timothy 1:9-11 (in Context) 1 Timothy 1 (Whole Chapter)

Bachman nor any other candidate who does not uphold the Constitution of the United States,Human and Civil rights or triest to make their personal religious beliefs civil law does not deserve to be elected to hold an office of the United States, State or local Government. Such folks need to be taught a lesson—DON’T ELECT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON’T ELECT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON’T ELECT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON’T ELECT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON’T ELECT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON’T ELECT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON’T ELECT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON’T ELECT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON’T ELECT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just as gays believe they should be allowed to marry, Bachmann believes otherwise. Gays are not wrong, neither is Bachmann. There is no grand arbiter. But I guarantee ABC will slant this as Bachmann being wrong. I could call all my straight friends and have them blitz this site so there are many more anti-gays responding. Would that convince ABC to report differently?

M. Bachman knows that government does not have the right to change the definition of marriage. She is taking a principled stand here and I very much approve of that.

Bachman is an idiot, and people who support her are idiots. Now I will fight to protect these idiots rights, but will they fight to protect mine. We used to outlaw a black man marrying a white woman, but that somehow was made okay. maybe after enough lynchings and what not, enough blood was spilled then it was okay. have we become more civilized since then, or do we need to spill more blood . gay marriage will be legal very soon. it won’t ruin your neighborhood.

and to the person who thinks that a person in high school can’t possibly know that they’re gay, uh there is a host of medical evidence to prove the contrary. you enter puberty, you’re chemistry attracts you to someone, that should be enough to let you know.

@Karen,
Your comments come across as insulting and hurtful and do nothing to further your argument that homosexuality should be considered normal behavior. I’m sure you’ve heard the saying, “Imitation is the best form of flattery.” Marriage was established for those of opposite sex, that some desire to copy it is admirable however misplaced. People who choose to like people of their own sex is a behavior simply not considered normal by some, especially those who believe in Jesus Christ. If you do not understand why someone would put their trust and faith in Jesus then you wouldn’t understand their explanation for disagreeing with you in this matter. It is not your place, or anyone else’s, to insult them when they try to explain why they feel this way. You are welcome to not agree, anything beyond that doesn’t reflect on the person you are insulting, it reflects on you. I hope you take this to heart, I mean you no offense.

And then ignoramuses claim and talk about our poor innocent children who know absolutely nothing about sex, and are abused if they have some. But 8 year olds talk about gay marriage in school, to I take it they know which end to put what. Besides, what is this kind of issue doing in 3rd grade? Have the left, libs, and progressive taken over the entire educational system?

I am a Christian and I believe what the Bible says. Its very easy to take one verse of scripture and take it out of context. You must read more than just a verse. One of the things I love about scripture is that it renews your mind and gives you correct perception. If we don’t renew our mind, we are prone to be deceived. I don’t hate people who think they are Gay or Lesbian. I know God requires us to love no matter what. I also know that homosexual relationships are not what God intended nor is that how he made His people. I don’t believe it is my place to judge them, however, I could not in good conscience support Gay and/or Lesbian Marriage because it is against God’s Law. Someone in my family just informed me that they are living a homosexual lifestyle and it broke my heart but I will love them just the same. I am in agreement that we don’t have much to choose from with regard to Presidential Candidates. One thing I do know for sure, as society removes our Lord from classrooms, government, etc, our nation moves closer to destruction. I will stand for my Lord and make my life count for Him and walk in the love He requires of his people. May God grant us His mercy.

This article points out the fact that people under 21 should not be allowed to vote. Their brains have not matured enough to determine who a leader should be.

What Michele Bachmann doesn’t know is that there are already male gays marrying a straight woman and lesbians marrying a straight man and that’s where dysfunctional families come from. Majority of divorces of marriages with adult children are the result of the gay parent finally realizing that he/she can no longer live a lie. Sometimes tragedy happens.

First of gay marriage should be handled by each state who decides to pass a law allowing it, not the Federal government. They can’t even run a lemonade stand. We need less federal government. I personally wont vote for Bachmann but I agree with eliminating the Department of Education. Every sector the government has taking over has made that program worse.

Also, doesn’t the 1st Amendment say: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof? So stop hating on people who practice their beliefs. Students should be allowed to pray if they choose to do so. And you people yelling out separation of church and state, not a SINGLE state in this country has organized religion, look it up. Why don’t you check out countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan.

OMG! Now we adults are definitely using our children too to promote our sinful nature. Stop using children as your scapegoats! Sin is sin no matter how you try to disguise it. Stop trying to make it look acceptable by making others feel sorry for you! One day you WILL regret your sinful beliefs, but then it will be too late! Gay is gay wrong is wrong! Who gives a crap about your human rights when you don’t even have a clue what love is….your emotionally tied and co-dependent if your gay, but not in love! Your also headed for destruction and deceived by the enemy.

Love os love. Bachmann doesn’t have the right to tell homosexuals that they can’t marry. They should be able to marry the one they love regardless.

Love is not what sustains a marriage. Commitment does. The claim that homosexual couples wouldn’t WANT to marry a person of the opposite gender is irrelevant. The point is that they CAN, which makes it equal.

And there is no discrimination based on “sexual orientation” because the “sexual orientation” of those applying for a marriage license is never ASKED. The can’t discriminate against you based on information they do NOT HAVE.

And there are plenty of same sex heterosexual friends who would love to marry in order to take advantage of each other’s work benefits. But they can’t. Are they discriminted against based on THEIR “sexual orientation” too????

The fact is there is no law that says a person cannot marry because they are homosexual. They simply have to do so under the same laws as the rest of us.

Bravo for the Youth-Equalitarians who challenge people seeking public office although they know what the answer is going to be before they ask the question or what the retort will be to a statement. I was surprised that her answers and retorts did not need any histroical background, therefore there it was pretty somber without comic or humor at her expense of course.

Bachman knows the meaning of the word “marriage” and, like the majority of us, is not willing to rewrite it. Call homosexual relationships what you want, but it can’t be “marriage” – that’s already in use.
The word “gay” already has a meaning and so does “queer”. Tell me, which better describes human love relationships outside of marriage? Call homosexuality what you want, but don’t try force it on me as something that nature intended. – It’s an oddity.

The same people that call Mrs Bachman an idiot for not being “open minded” want to force (legislate) everyone else to be tolerant and understanding of homosexuality. You cant have it both ways, if you want open mindedness and understanding on the gay issue, then take the time and effort to understand and respect other points of view.

Next people will want to marry their animals, Parent’s marrying their kids, or multiple people marrying, and having it all recognized by law. Will you say its ok because its their choice?

If a man or woman comes to you and says that he/she is the devil and waves a trident in front of you… What would you say? Probably that he/she is crazy and you would commit him/her to a mental hospital.

If a man/woman comes to you and says that he/she is the Napoleon/josephine and dresses accordingly… What would you say? Probably that he/she is crazy and you would commit him/her to a mental hospital.
If I put on a blue tight and red cape… am I superman?
If a man comes to you and says he is a woman… What would you say? I would say that that man is crazy and should be committed to a mental institution for correction. That person needs help in finding his identity… He is confused. You are giving rights to somebody who is unbalanced (now the gay community has more rights than the straight people) and They want to run the show.
About gay marriage…If you don’t stop this nonsense, soon enough we will look a a picture of a woman and a dog and an innocent kid will say: LOOK MY MOTHER AND MY FATHER!!!
THINK ABOUT IT… you have gone far enough…

I don’t hate gay people, I just want to help them help themselves…

i don’t think gay marriages is right neither do i think that gays should openly remain in that state not to say that its a condition or a disease. But lets think about it this way if everyone was gay how would our species continue to prosper every human being would eventually die off, therefore I don’t believe that a person should willingly remain gay, and yea i am implying that a person who is gay can become heterosexual and be in complete content with it because I have seen it happen with my own two 20/20 eyes.

Wow we still have some ignorant people in this country. Its because of you there are so many closeted married men who are out having sex with men and your at home thinking they are at work… what idiots we have in this country including Michelle

Thank you to the people who post and point out the hypocrisy of Michele Bachmann’s statement about not extending “special” rights to people based on their preferences (when special rights are exactly what straight people already enjoy). Since hypocrisy is the foundation for many of the Republican Party’s stances on issues (i.e., Repub voters are supporting Gingrich, another adulterer, after Cain’s recent adultery-driven flameout; huh?), I guess it’s not surprising that we have to put up with Bible thumpers. Why is it that they keep reciting the same Leviticus passages “about” homosexuality but they conveniently leave out the other passages which strongly prohibit eating shellfish or wearing a garment with mixed fabrics, something that millions of Americans do everyday? Why is it that they rabidly recite the Sodom and Gomorrah story, saying the cities were doomed because of homosexuality (when the sin they were destroyed for was never named; why not inhospitableness?) but then fail to tell the rest of the story (how a teenage daughter is offered up to the wicked men outside the door wanting in)? Why aren’t these same people standing outside Long John Silver’s with signs or boycotting Macy’s, since as God/the Bible clearly indicates, these transgressions are apparently very sinful? Oh, that’s right: they’re hypocrites.

I understand everyone has a right to their beliefs, and, with the Bible thumpers, they believe that gay people are sinful and wrong and shouldn’t be in society. I think they’re wrong, but that’s they’re belief. My question is the following: if they’re so quick to recite the Bible passages supposedly condemning gay people, why are they mute on the other laws that the Bible speaks “definitively” to? The Bible specifically says that it is sinful to eat shellfish as well as to wear a garment made of mixed fabrics; yet, I have never heard of one Christian standing outside Long John Silver’s with a sign or a pastor telling his congregation to boycott Macy’s. The Bible also says, indirectly, that it’s ok to have slaves; yet, I don’t know of any person in this country that would be accepted in any way for having a slave. Just as Michele Bachmann’s statement about extending “special” rights to those based on their preferences is completely hypocritical, so is the stance of so many Republicans and Bible thumpers on a myriad of issues (now that Herman Cain’s adultery-driven flameout has tanked his bid for the White House, who are Republicans sending to the top of the polls? Newt Gingrich, another adulterer.) And lastly, can we please put a moratorium on the “Well, if gay people are allowed to marry, then what’s to stop a man and an animal from getting married,” bs? To get married, you have to be able to say, “I do,” and a frog can’t do that. If you Bible thumpers are so worried about two family members getting married, then why aren’t you demonstrating to have the state of Alabama excommunicated? H-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e-s.

not a christian, not religious, but Just poison a girlfriend who is gay last month because they are not fit to exist, call be a person without respect for life and human right but the only right here is following our natural laws, I can’t wake up one morning saying I want to build house anywhere there must be regulations I will abide to, so if we view our human government laws as acceptable, then what happens to the law of mother-nature, to all you gays keep doing what you are doing but I assure you, know one can fight with nature cus you will end up ruining your life.

Why is this even an issue? focus on important things. Health care. Social security. Christianity is wrong. Humanity is right. Love who you love.

Just because discrimination is legal doesn’t make it right. Slavery was once legal, and the bible was misused to justify it. Many of the laws in the Middle East discriminating against women are absolutely atrocious, yet perfectly legal according to their law. And, you can be gay AND christian. Jesus said WHOSOEVER believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Whosoever includes us, folks. I’m gay and I believe. Jesus is my Savior, and he made me just as I am, and loves and accepts me exactly as I am. It’s not as rare as you think.

Why is there so much talk about the bible, not all Americans are Christian or even believe in God. While I do not fully understand homosexuality, I think that same-sex marriage should be made legal. It is just a matter of equality of rights, and religion should have nothing to do with this discussion. The concept of ‘marriage’ (along with other rules in every religious text) seems to have been defined by humans in each religion in recent years, what do you think humans that lived on the earth 10,000 years ago did? (long before Jesus Christ or any other organized religions even existed)…Humans have been known to walk the earth since at least 30,000 years ago. So it may help to just focus on the rationality of the question at hand (reg. legalizing gay marriage), and leave any religion out of this decision..

This post just made my day! I sat down and leisurely read through all you idiots bickering over nothing, with a biiig smile plastered on my face. Man! am I In a good mood now!

Thank you idiot voters and bible trumpeters for making my day. Please continue bickering so people like me can stay happy. I love you all for it.

Wow! For that eight year old to independantly cognate the translucency of a political issue portends a premonition of using children soldiers. That act alone sends the signal that homosexuals will do anything to promote their agendas. And this is the result of someone who is stable? Seems like a tactic used by christians to promote their agenda like… “world youth day…”

First off to those saying that the young people of america shouldn’t be allowed to vote because we don’t have enough expierence to know what to look for in a leader: Are you saying then that the military should increase the sign-up age to 21 or even 30 then. My history class taught me that the right to vote was given to 18 year olds because someone or a group of someones felt it wasn’t right that young ADULTS were able to DIE for their country but not allowed to have a say in who runs it. you say we are too caught up in our own personal issues to pay attention to the important ones when sometimes we know more about what’s going on in the world than most middle-aged adults. I myself turned 21 recently and during the 2008 election knew better than to vote for the man sitting in office today. it is true that most of my generation did vote for him but there are a select few that were able to see past the bull that even most ADULTS didn’t see. we are so quick to support someone who agrees with our views but on the same note they have no right to solely promise us something and to keep it. It is up to congress and the senate as well as the president to determine if a law should be passed allowing or denying something and its based on personal views. if i was in office i have just as much right to vote against an issue as the congressman or senator sitting next to me does to vote for it reguardles of the prefrence of the people i represent. if i am against say same-sex marriage but the majority of the public in my district are for it the opinion of the public really doesn’t matter i can vote however i want and no one will be the wiser. honeslty thanks to the senate, congress, and the electoral college we as the american public have no true say in what goes on in our country if an issue was brought to the public for a vote and we did away with the electoral college (which by the way was put in place because the founding fathers didn’t believe that the general public was SMART enough to make an informed decision on who should run the country mostly due to the fact that few unless you were a shop owner could read) then maybe americans would have more say and the country might have fewer issues. On the issue of same-sex marriage the public is so closely divided at least from what we see publicly that if we were to vote on the issue it would be a close call and either side could win a law might be passed that would allow it but at the same time a law might be passed that would ban it. as it stands right now due to public pressure we could very well see same sex marriages being the norm in the near future.

For those that say Prayer in school is wrong: I agree with not having a set prayer or even making it mandatory to pray aloud but as a christian i have just as much of a right to pray when ever i choose as the agnostic or the athiest does to choose not to. The High school i went to had a minute of silence every morning after saying the Pledge of alliegance to give us the opportunity to PRAY, meditate, or even just reflect on our day. we prayed silently if we chose to do so but our freedom of religion and expression was not violated i was even allowed to carry my bible with me throught the school day and even say grace before i ate breakfast or lunch. We even had a family of muslims that were allowed to pray throughout the school day as their beliefs taught. I was allowed to bring my best GIRLFRIEND to prom and no one thought i was a lesbian it wasn’t even an issue but some schools will not allow same-sex couple to attend dances or other school functions together unless it is as a group of people.

Now onto the issue at hand: Personally I think same-sex marriages are wrong. but everyone has a right to be happy and everyone no matter race, sex, religion, or sexual orientation should have the same rights as everyone else. As a christian i am taught to love everyone reguardless of thier sins or even thier rightousness. If we were to deny the rights of one guroup of people in a sense segretage them then we are going right back to the days of the civil rights movement. it was the actions of the American people more specifically the African-American community that changed the laws. If you are so against something or even if you fully support something no matter what it is. SPEAK UP don’t just sit here arguing over weither your opinion is right or wrong. get a group together and DO SOMETHING about it. The people in office don’t sit and read everysingle post someone makes. and by arguing back and forth it truly shows the ignornace of the american people as a whole and yes i’m including myself in this. however i’m not going to sit here all day and argure my OPINION with someone or try to cram my opinion down your throat. i’ve said what i wanted to say and if i do come back to look at the comments and someone challenges me if i have a sensible rebuttle and can support my argument with FACTS and not just quotes from the bible or statistcs taken out of thin air i might reply.

One final note: to those that are here quoting scripture and saying same-sex marriage is wrong remember the bible also says “Judge not lest ye be judged” we are so quick to condemn myself included that we forget it also says “let those who are without sin cast the first stone” (not sure if those are the exact words and can’t remember where it’s located) I am nothing but a sinner saved by grace and my sins are no better than yours all sins are equal at the foot of the cross.

I am not why people are so interested in who people love either gay or straight. Is it because of thier own life is a loveless shallow existence? Are they hiding something? Were they brianwashed by thier parents and the fictional bible they were forced to read? Personally I don’t need a piece of paper to love someone. We all know the percentage of divorce in this country. The institution is a joke and the people who support it are even more so. Religion as in the past continues to create hatred. That is the sin here, not two poeple who just want to be happy together. Now take your blinders off and enjoy life and all the fantastic differences that make life so wonderful! We as a nation have far more pressing matters to tend to.

The Bible contains 6 Admonishments to Homosexuals & 362 Admonishments to Heterosexuals. That doesn’t mean that God doesn’t love Heterosexuals. It just means they need more supervision.

Poor, Poor Michele Bachmann, she must have not yet returned from Planet Uranus and missed a few classes if not all of them. Does anyone know where this sad example of a human being was educated? Here is a perfect example as to why the Institution that failed to properly educate her, should be closed down.

Whether you believe in the Bible or not, you have to believe that there is a bigger authority than our government. There is a heaven and there is a hell. Dont believe? THEN wait till you reach the last minute of your life and see what awaits. Cant escape it. Anonthdh one of the commentors in this blog will someday bow down to the truth as all will who LIVE AND LET LIVE, when its time.

ITS A BLOG…..IS THIS SLOW ENOUGH? GET OVER YOUR ELITIST SELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marriage ” IS” not “WAS” instituted by God the Father. Not by man. What God the Father has established cannot be undone unless granted through the Son.

Its a pity, reading almost 90% of the responses here, it is becoming obvious that we are drifting on very dangerous grounds and slippery waters . The fact that we want something our way, does not make it always acceptable or right . Don’t we realize, that after we gratify our so called lusts, passions, cravings, which we often define as love or affections, it then blossoms to hurts, pains and in most cases irreversible repercussions. If only we come to terms within ourselves,our individual and collective moral consciousness ,if any left (having not been seared by hot iron, or intelligently yet ill advised persuasive oratory, selfish convictions and a host of other negativity) we would find that we are simply asking for liberty and licence (marriage) to cloak our godless and mindless behavior, in favor of selfish gratifications. ofcourse which comes with a high price for those directly and indirectly involved.Changing the natural order of things, to disorder and chaos. Yes i understand feelings, genetic malfunctions, mistakes, accidents, etc etc. But seeking a way to correct it should be the course, not continuing in the curse. It is not only erroneous, but disastrous.
Even if Thomas Jefferson or anyone else, took out what displeased them in the Bible, and rewrote it, as someone indicated it doesn’t change the fallibility of it. Its a code of moral conducts to say the least, and it has a lot we all can learn from.That is why many of us will continue to quote it for its stability of truth and morality in a world thats losing its senses of right and wrong and becoming more opinionated than defined.
For instance, it defines the origin of marriage, and i belief that is what Poor, ill educated,Ms. Michele Bachmann (as some people defined her) is trying to get across. Even if the whole world is going one way, it still doesn’t make wrong ever become right, and that is a fundamental truth.
It doesn’t no matter whichever way, color, one,two,senate,courts, government, or country want to paint or call it. The truth remains the truth. History and archaeology, as clear evidences of the demise of Sodom and Gomorrah. You may chose not to believe and call me an names,and that’s OK. But there is a way out… ask Jesus, call on him,cry to him if necessary. And if you do so sincerely, you will soon find out soon enough, He his real.
I used to be in that destruction headed group,i was not gay but the group classifies us all as no part in Gods Kingdom :(sexually immoral, idolater,adulterer,male prostitute, homosexual offenders, thieves, greedy, drunkards, liars,slanderer,swindlers) and that is what some of you (and i)were but you too can now be washed, sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the spirit of our God (1Cor.6:7-11) So i judge no man, but will warn every man/woman/both, not to embrace whats wrong, but ask for help from the one who can truly help. Yes it may seem right to some, the pleasure of the moment, the security of companionship or seeming stability, but wrong remains wrong, and right remains right,even as truth is not relative, truth is truth. No shades of grey. There is a way that seemeth right to man,but the end, are ways of death.(Prv.14:12) The point is the repercussions does not all end here, even after death, there are repercussions. I have shared the way out with you. Make wise choices, the ball is in your court. You have read this.I love you all ,straight, gay, lesbian, transgender. But God loves you more and Christ died for you and me. Make wise choices. Call on him today. Jhn.3,36;Jhn14 6

I’m Catholic and I love gay people. Please stop comming at my religion. Not all Christians are the same, I hope you know.