Jan 17, 2012 11:00am

Romney Says He ‘Probably’ Pays 15 Percent in Fed Taxes

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Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney walks towards his bus after a campaign rally in Florence, S.C. on Jan. 17, 2012.

In a spirited press conference just now in Florence, S.C., Mitt Romney made news on several fronts. Here are the highlights:

- Romney said he “probably” pays only about 15 percent in federal taxes because most of his earnings come from capital gains, which is taxed at a lower rate than traditional income. This means the super wealthy Romney pays a significantly lower tax rate than most middle income Americans.

- He sharpened his answer on releasing his tax return in April because, he says, that is the precedent and it will enable him to release the current year return, not earlier years.

- In other words: Romney plans to release only his 2011 return and will do it after the key primaries are over.

- By the way, President Obama released his tax returns in March 2008, well before he clinched the Democratic nomination. And George W. Bush, as governor of Texas, released his returns before he was even a candidate.

- Romney explained his claim of creating more than 100,000 jobs at Bain: Add up ALL the jobs now at the four largest companies Bain helped start (Staples, etc), which is 120,000, and subtract the 10,000 jobs lost at Bain companies that went under and you have, voila, more than 100,000 jobs.

- He came out definitively against private accounts for Social Security (Newt Gingrich’s plan and something favored by many conservatives) because they would leave a hole in the Social Security trust fund (an argument often made by Democrats).

- He hammered Rick Santorum again for favoring voting rights for felons and said his Super PAC ad on that is accurate.

- A day after he seemingly criticized Super PACs, today he defended them and said he encourages those that supported him. It is the law that is the problem, not the Super PACs, he said.

- He recited a litany of subjects on which he disagrees with both Gingrich and Santorum.

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“Romney explained his claim of creating more than 100,000 jobs at Bain: Add up ALL the jobs now at the four largest companies Bain helped start (Staples, etc), which is 120,000, and subtract the 10,000 jobs lost at Bain companies that went under and you have, voila, more than 100,000 jobs.”

A hundred thousand jobs over fifteen years with Bain. Or less than 7000 jobs a year “created”. Smashing record there, Mitt. If true.

Posted by: A Cynic | January 17, 2012, 11:15 am 11:15 am

If it is a choice between Romney and Obama, I and many Americans will definitely vote for Obama. We do not want a CEO “vulture capitalists” corporate raider in the white house. Contrary to what Romney touts, the oval office is very unlike running a business.

Posted by: NoFlyZone2 | January 17, 2012, 11:17 am 11:17 am

Were they shovel ready jobs?

Posted by: susan | January 17, 2012, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Sure, he can criticize superpacs in a debate and at the same time love them to the core because it will take a constitutional amendment to get rid of them anyway; something he would not be expected to deliver as a POTUS. So what the heck, sure speak out against them if it’s politically expedient. They are a tautological fact. He’s happy to be a hypocrite on that score. So are his corporate handlers. The mission critical objective is to get elected and kill the health care bill. Not because it’s a bad idea, but because it will upset the profits and status quo in the industry.

Posted by: sameagain | January 17, 2012, 11:19 am 11:19 am

Will Mitt Romney get a tax write-off for the $60 he donated to a lady?

Posted by: NoFlyZone2 | January 17, 2012, 11:19 am 11:19 am

And what exactly is your record for job creation over the last 15 years, A Cynic? Have you created over 100,000 jobs? If not, don’t criticize him, he’s done a much better job than you.

(by the way, I’m not going to vote for Romney, and I’ve never voted for a Republican my entire life).

Posted by: Gabriel | January 17, 2012, 11:20 am 11:20 am

“Romney said he “probably” pays only about 15 percent in federal taxes because most of his earnings come from capital gains, which is taxed at a lower rate than traditional income. This means the super wealthy Romney pays a significantly lower tax rate than most middle income Americans.”

Well THAT is going to go over well with the vast majority of Americans. Come on Republicans. DEFEND him! Extra points to whoever brings up ‘the bottom 50% pay no federal taxes’ first. Don’t disappoint me, people. Defend the Mitt!

Posted by: A Cynic | January 17, 2012, 11:20 am 11:20 am

Billionaire Willard Romney II doesn’t want to let the cat out of the bag (how much he made & how little he paid in taxes) until he’s run the the other GOP candidates out of contention. Then he’ll time it just right so that voters have forgotten by November… Romney pays only the lowest 15% rate in taxes because its all non-earned, capital gains income, that Reagan & double doses of Bush provided to the uber-wealthy- rich man’s welfare.

Posted by: Ron Sampson | January 17, 2012, 11:22 am 11:22 am

Rich people are not stupid, that is why they get paid in stocks. Would you pay 35% when it would be perfectly legal to pay 15%.

Posted by: snewsom2997 | January 17, 2012, 11:22 am 11:22 am

The point is, Romney created Jobs — more than Obama has!

When you create good jobs, it has a spiraling effect: it creates even more jobs for suppliers of
services, material, equipment to these companies.

Here’s Obama’s record of jobs:

Obama CLOSED Hundreds of auto dealerships – Hundreds, if not thousands of JOBS –when he bailed-out G.M.;

Obama not only Lost Half-a-Billion Dollars Loaned to Solyndra – LOST the JOBS TOO;

Obama not only Lost Millions of Dollars Loaned to Evergreen Solar – LOST the JOBS too;

And reports are, there are 11 More “solyndra’s” coming, too…..

Boeing in S.C.- Jobs “on hold”, due to NLRB / Unions trying to Stop it.

Posted by: Paul | January 17, 2012, 11:24 am 11:24 am

This is my first read of Jonathan Karl. I am a tad confused. The heading is “News”, but this appears to be Opinion. Did I miss something?

Posted by: Doug M | January 17, 2012, 11:24 am 11:24 am

He “probably” pays even less than 15%, probably a lot less. Does anyone really believe that this self-proclaimed financial wizard who is so very reluctant to release his tax returns doesn’t know EXACTLY how much he pays in taxes? Politicians all think the voters are stupid and ignorant, and unfortunately they’re not entirely wrong.

Posted by: Dennis | January 17, 2012, 11:28 am 11:28 am

Well Paul is just full of selective thinking there.

Posted by: lexingtonlady | January 17, 2012, 11:40 am 11:40 am

“Romney said he “probably” pays only about 15 percent in federal taxes because most of his earnings come from capital gains”.

Now I know why he wants to eliminate federal taxes on capital gains. Also capital gains are not subject to payroll taxes so he would have to pay 0% taxes. Self-serving SOB!!!

Why should someone who risks only their capital pay lower federal taxes than someone who risks their life, military, policemen, firemen, coal miners and on and on?

Posted by: TermLimits | January 17, 2012, 11:42 am 11:42 am

Nice. so I am paying more taxes than him. I would think than I am more patriotic than him then as I sacrifice more from what I earn to pay soldiers and their families. Buffet is right- these guys are sucking the tit and wave the flag only when it is profitable to them.

Posted by: spartacus- | January 17, 2012, 11:44 am 11:44 am

snewsom2997: “Rich people are not stupid”. No, but you are. For the record, wealthy Democrates who make money from capital gains investments also pay 15%.

Posted by: John | January 17, 2012, 11:46 am 11:46 am

Contrary to what Romney touts, the oval office is very unlike running a business

Man, you have that right! If businesses were ran like the Government we would still be rubbing sticks together to make a fire.

Posted by: david | January 17, 2012, 11:51 am 11:51 am

Forgot to mention the 100k jobs wages – don’t equal the 10k lost combined … minimum wage “Staples associate” jobs don’t even pay the rent in most places …

Posted by: yeah.i.said.it | January 17, 2012, 11:52 am 11:52 am

Democrats might also pay 15% on capital gains, but they champion to raise the tax.

Posted by: lexingtonlady | January 17, 2012, 11:53 am 11:53 am

There are a couple of things Romney supporters need to take a look at. First, by his own admission, he is paying much less in a tax-per-income-level than the average citizen of this country. The tax loopholes available to the wealthy need to be eliminated, so they will pay their fair share of this country’s taxes. Second, his latest statements pertaining to job growth have no specific outline or plan on how jobs will be created. His statement about stopping US jobs from being ‘stolen by China’ is idiotic. Jobs are going overseas because of cheaper labor and the American consumer’s never ending quest to find the ‘cheapest of cheap’ price. China, India, Sri Lanka, etc. are not the enemy regarding job loss, its the large corporations run by executives like Romney who are ‘managing the bottom line and focusing on stockholder return,’ and think nothing of closing down US operations while paying themselves exorbitant salaries and bonuses. It will be interesting to hear his stand on the tax moratorium being requested by Google, et al, for bringing foreign profits back to the US at a 3% +/- tax rate. No jobs will be created from this proposal, as based on historic review, all major companies did with previous tax moratoriums was pay out large bonuses to executives and by back outstanding stock. If the average citizen of this country lets the tax moratorium occur, we deserve to get gouged while the large corporations and wealthy play the tax dodge ball game.

Posted by: rohnertpark1 | January 17, 2012, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

Just another reason that we need tax reforms in this country.I have never understood how we have classes of income that are considered more/less taxable than others, other than to say those with the less taxable incomes have bought the laws to make it so. Maybe if everyone was taxed at the low levels of those who have enough to invest and earn a majority of their income from capital gains we would have a economy that could recover quicker, or conversely, if people like Mitt paid the same as the rest of us on their incomes we would be better positioned to pay off our debts after trimming some fat from the Fed.

Posted by: jason | January 17, 2012, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

W O W !

That’s a lot higher than what GE paid last year.
How much does Bama pay?

Posted by: Noz | January 17, 2012, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

This is NOT a surprise – that is the rate MOST of the 1% pay and it is being vehemently defended by the Republicans as the fair rate fo rteh “job creators” who have not been making many jobs – even though they say THAT is Obama’s fault. What I love is how, in another piece. he says that he didn’t make too much from speaking engagements. The piece noted the moeny he made was $370,000. DOn’t know about you but it must be nice to treat $370,000 as pocket change. The man is out of touch with th real world.

Posted by: pksk531 | January 17, 2012, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

Bama pays higher NOZ, because he gets a salary.

Posted by: lexingtonlady | January 17, 2012, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

Maybe Romney could run on a platform of taxing himself to save the economy.

Posted by: Jenn | January 17, 2012, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

“Bama pays higher NOZ, because he gets a salary.” – lexingtonlady

Makes Sense.

Posted by: Noz | January 17, 2012, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

Gabriel | January 17, 2012, 11:20 am post —- I’m not a job creator. I also haven’t made a quarter of a billion dollars as a corporate raider vulture. Nor am I running for president on my record of job creation. Romney touts his job creation experience as his strong suit. I simply pointed out that his suit ain’t that strong, if these numbers are accurate. (Frankly I think he killed a helluva lot more jobs than 10000.) IMO of course. You may think that he’s done a bang up job. It’s a free country.

Posted by: A Cynic | January 17, 2012, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

Obama CLOSED Hundreds of auto dealerships – Hundreds, if not thousands of JOBS –when he bailed-out G.M….Posted by: Paul | January 17, 2012, 11:24 am.

LOL! Another factually challenged Right Winger. First of all, Obama didn’t close anything, you moron. Second of all, the Right’s defense of what Mitt did at Bain – consolidating businesses, eliminating some positions in order to keep the new business going – is exactly what happened at GM and Chrysler once the federal government loaned them the money to stay afloat. Yet when Bain did it, it was OK. “Sometimes you have to cut off an arm to save the body” and all that. When asked about the Detroit auto industry before the government loans, Romney said “Let them go bankrupt”. Which WOULD have killed the Detroit auto industry and a couple million jobs. As it is, and with the loans partly paid back, Obama saved those jobs for a relatively small amount of money.

Posted by: A Cynic | January 17, 2012, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

So technically, Romney doesn’t pay ‘federal income taxes.’ He’s one of the bottom 50%!

Posted by: A Cynic | January 17, 2012, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

Democrats might also pay 15% on capital gains, but they champion to raise the tax.

POSTED BY: LEXINGTONLADY | JANUARY 17, 2012, 11:53 AM=====The grand po pa of the dims Bill Clinton says otherwise..

Posted by: kathy | January 17, 2012, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

“So technically, Romney doesn’t pay ‘federal income taxes.’ He’s one of the bottom 50%!” – A Faux Cynic

So he’s One Of Us!

except . . . .
he doesn’t get food stamps or have the government feed his kids at school.

Posted by: Noz | January 17, 2012, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

There needs to be an explanation of how this can happen. It could be that he lost money on his estimated $250M net worth. This is entirely possible when the stock market and real estate markets go down. It is also possible losses from the past several years were carried over to offset current income. People with large net worths can lose money!!!!!

Posted by: Common _ Sense | January 17, 2012, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

Romney’s jobs claims have been so thoroughly debunked that it is laughable that he continues to make them. First, Bain was not the only private equity firm to invest in those companies so to say that Romney is responsible for those jobs is ridiculous. Second, Romney was neither the creator, founder, or CEO of any of those companies. Third, he is using those companies’ CURRENT jobs numbers even though he left Bain in 1999. Fourth, he relied on government subsidies to invest in those companies even though he supposedly opposes government intervention in the private sector. And finally he still has not answered why he walked away with millions of dollars even when the companies he invested in went bankrupt leading to mass layoffs and destroyed local communities.

That’s why every time he talks about it, he changes the numbers. First it was 100,000 then it was tens of thousands, then just thousands, and now it’s back to 120,000.

It’s a joke. He’s based his entire argument for presidency on a lie. Just like his claim that Obama has failed because there are 1.7 million fewer jobs now than the day he was inaugurated. That argument only makes sense if you completely ignore the fact that the worst recession in our lifetimes had started well before Obama won his election and was rapidly falling into a Depression on the day Obama was inaugurated and that the economy lost close to 2 million of those jobs in the first 3 months of his administration, before his policies even went into effect.

Romney is relying on people either being ignorant or gullible or amnestic. Judging by the average American voter, it still might work.

Posted by: Sam | January 17, 2012, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

except . . . .he doesn’t get food stamps or have the government feed his kids at school. Posted by: Noz | January 17, 2012, 1:11 pm.

As far as you know………

And FYI, not everyone who doesn’t owe federal income tax at the end of the year is on food stamps or government assistance. No matter what the GOP tells you.

Posted by: A Cynic | January 17, 2012, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

Romney is relying on people either being ignorant or gullible or amnesiac.
Posted by: Sam | January 17, 2012, 1:40 pm.

In other words, the very people who will give him the Republican nomination. So he’s a lock…..

Posted by: A Cynic | January 17, 2012, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm

As an independent voter who took a chance on president Obama last election there is no way he will get my vote this time. Anybody but him….

Posted by: Charles G | January 17, 2012, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

Charles G | January 17, 2012, 1:55 pm post —- Why? And what do you think one of the GOP guys would do different and better? Especially with the worst Congress in history?

Posted by: A Cynic | January 17, 2012, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

ABC and the Military Industrial Complex just want to funnel people’s perception down to their candidate of choice. In other words, we really don’t have real choice to elect who we want and Bush proved that by stealing his election; we know well just get another puppet dictator and according the National Security and Homeland Security Directive or “Executive Directive 51” signed into law May 2007 this makes every subsequent president a dictator. ABC, why don’t you stop selling us down the pike with these war mongers and let Ron Paul have some Photo Opts here along with some media coverage; we’re tired of the illegal wars and dictators and the illegal unconstitutional Federal Reserve making their illegal debt; we all know the Federal Reserve is a complete PONZI Scheme and this Nit Witt Romney is just another fat cat selling us lies! Ron Paul is the real man for the job; he knows what the Fed is and so should you.

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