Paul Ryan Denounces Obama’s Contraception Compromise as ‘Accounting Trick’

Maybe the Catholic Church should do some review of their own accounting. Catholic schools aren’t closing because Catholics aren’t using birth control.

This is just oBama acting like his political idols… Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro. Just ignore that pesky Constitution if you want to make some “progress”.

Republican schizophrenia. Women will have children. Unless the Republicans and Catholics want to set up orphanages on every corner, then they should not object to birth control or abortion. Republicans are notorious for blocking or killing bills to help children and mothers of those children: WIC, welfare, daycare. So it’s okay to have the child but don’t provide for him/her when they arrive in America. Hope beyond hope that someone else will take care of the problem. No News Anchor will ask this important question: Why not pass programs to care for children after they are born?

This is just oBama acting like his political idols… Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro. Just ignore that pesky Constitution if you want to make some “progress”. POSTED BY: MICHELLE SHU. ********
**** The Constitution makes no references to birth control.

The Constitution makes no references to birth control.

POSTED BY: MICHAEL | FEBRUARY 12, 2012, 12:11 PM—That’s right it doesn’t but as usual the left doesn’t understand the issue. This is not about women’s health or birth control.

The Constitution DOES empower the federal government to regulate interstate commerce (of which the health insurance industry is a part).

A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. Like Michelle Bachmann challenging the Constitutional scholar to show her where the words “separation of church and state appear in the Consitution”. Um, they DON’T, but they WERE coined by jefferson and have been recognized by the courts as the INTENT behind the 1st Amendment for over 200 years now.

DUH!

MICHELLE SHU JAS | FEBRUARY 12, 2012, 12:24 PM, SAID:

“It says nothing about the federal government having the authority to take over and dictate to the entire health care business either.”
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LMAO! …….. This is what is funny about right-whiners, they limit their knowledge of the nation’s laws to the very first document, i.e., the constitution. (In comparison with the bible, it’s like saying you know a lot about the bible, and all you’ve ever read was “Genesis” and nothing else.) Then, they come one these boards and play like “Arm Chair” lawyers, thinking they know everything about the law based upon the fact that they read the 1st Amendment… LOL! Michelle, I hate to tell you this, but thousands of national laws have been established since the constitution was written over 200 years ago.

And Michelle, the government didn’t “take over” the health insurance industry… LOL! Just as with every other sector of the economy, the government sets in place rules and regulations so that the American consumer does not get cheated, ripped off, or is protected from harm (e.g., the auto industry manufacturing standard laws establish safety standards; “seat belts” ring a bell for you?) Even when one buys a house, there are state and federal laws that dictate what must be revealed to a buyer, and what must be in a contract. All examples of how the government “dictates” its requirements in every sector of the economy.

So please, just admit to the rest of us that you’re playing “Arm Chair Lawyer” here, and have no clue what you’re talking about in regards to what the constitution says, and ESPECIALLY in regards to what the thousands of laws written since the constitution say regarding regulating business transactions across the USA.

Is it just me or does there seem to be a disconnect in providing “free” birth control to everyone (including the “rich”)? When a drug is deemed “safe” and available generically it it made available over the counter with certain restrictions. This drives the cost down so that it is available at low-cost. (e.g., heat burn, allergy, ect.) Why doesn’t the goverment substity of Planned Parenthood cover the costs for those too poor to pay it over the counter?

Yeah, and I should have the CHOICE to use unleaded gas, and there should be no building codes either. What sort of FREE country is this, anyhow, goldarnit.
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Obama is good at playing Three Card Monty. He is a snake oil salesman at best.

Neither I, nor Paul Ryan, nor any intense partisan of the right or left are on our best days any better or more sincere than is President Barack Obama. And shame on any of us for pretending to be.

As for me, I just knew it; I just knew it! President Obama was going to cave on maintaining that the health-care insurance that employers provide their workers would guarantee that within the exercise of each individual’s freedom of conscience and circumstances an employee’s coverage left them in control their own family planning that might be accomplished via medicinal contraception.

That was my thought after I had read that the White House was reviewing the expressed concern; then I heard the president speak on the matter and I realized for the first time that he was sincerely trying to accommodate the conflicting concerns of the American people and had come up with a Solomonic splitting of the willingness of some Christians leaders to exercise their freedom of conscience to shepherd that of members of their flock and yet every citizen being exercise their own Gold-given free will to guided by a shepherd or their own conscience.

Considering myself to a progressively minded citizen, there have many instances in which I have been convinced that the president should use the power of his office to require people to respect the competing freedom and needs of others.

With this action of the president on health-care insurance and birth control I have come to realize that the he is right and that fractious people like Paul Ryan and I have been wrong and we will not be able to keep the American Dream for anyone unless we grasp that the president is a very good man determined to lead us to be our better selves by splitting the differences that divide us. All of President Obama’s efforts to find common ground as best as can be found has not brought out the worst in any of us—that comes from within each of us.

“All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.” ~ Mark. 7: 23

Rick McDaniel, the insurance companies are paying for the birth control and happy to do so as it will save them money. The priced of an abortion or a pregnancy is much higher than the prescription costs of birth control. The Church won’t be paying, the insurance companies will.
I don’t think the Church should be allowed this exception because of their beliefs. This opens a Pandora’s box of problems from other religion’s beliefs. The Jehovah Witness religion doesn’t believe in blood transfusions, should they be exempt from covering them for their employees? How about Scientology, who don’t believe in psychiatric care? Should they be exempt from covering their employees for that?
Religions should not be allowed to dictate health coverage for their employees. Civil rights should trump religious beliefs.
Freedom of religion is about the individual being allowed to choose and practice their religion, but that privilege should not extend to cost others rights.

If conservatives are so concerned about religious freedon why have they not fought to over-turn the prohibition on polygamy any tine in the last one hundred years? Why do they allow governmennt to infringe on the right of polygamists to practice their religion?
Paul Ryan should not be talking about “fig leaves”. The Mormons wear garments at all times that have the design of fig leaves on them. Some people call it “magic underwear”.

Most faith based organizations are self insured and how are they going to make that co pay for birth control? Obama is still forcing faith based organized to pay for birth control,and if rhey did have regular health insurance companys, that company is going to pass it on in higher premiums, nothing is free from private companys.

The real issue is whether or not the church has the right to impose it’s religious choices on it’s employees. Ryan asserts that making the employer provide insurance that funds that choice is the same as actually paying the bill. The ultimate result of that logic is that paying the salary of an employee who makes that choice is the same as well. The issue is controlling the choices of your employees.

Colleges and hospitals are not churches. They are essentially secular commercial enterprises, regardless of their affiliations. They do serve the public interest, and recieve broad public support, especially by not having to pay taxes. But they should not expect the same privileges as organizations that exist as places of worship. Religious exceptions should apply only to religious activities. Religious organizations become more than places of worship, expand into the business world and run hospitals, colleges, and bingo parlors, they should expect to follow the same rules as other secular businesses. No one is threatening their religious freedom as far as the church goes.