Comments on: Delegate Math Puts Romney Almost Halfway to GOP Nomination http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/delegate-math-puts-romney-almost-halfway-to-gop-nomination/ The latest Politics news and blog posts from ABC News contributors and bloggers including Jake Tapper, George Stephanopoulos and more. Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:23:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: David I http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/delegate-math-puts-romney-almost-halfway-to-gop-nomination/#comment-22206842 David I Tue, 03 Apr 2012 22:17:13 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=560262#comment-22206842 Greggw- You should do some research on how Abraham Lincoln became the President of the United States. He most certainly didn't win the popular vote during the Republican primary. He actually won the Republican nomination by stacking the Republican convention with his supporters and winning the nomination well after the first vote. Greggw- You should do some research on how Abraham Lincoln became the President of the United States. He most certainly didn’t win the popular vote during the Republican primary. He actually won the Republican nomination by stacking the Republican convention with his supporters and winning the nomination well after the first vote.

]]> By: David I http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/delegate-math-puts-romney-almost-halfway-to-gop-nomination/#comment-22206392 David I Tue, 03 Apr 2012 22:11:16 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=560262#comment-22206392 Greggw- The delegates in primary states are bound by the popular vote at the convention. But only during the first vote. After the first vote at the convention, they then can vote for whichever candidate they choose. This is the exact process that has been the case in the United States for over 200 years. The United States is NOT a democracy. We are a representative republic, just as Reualc stated earlier. I highly doubt anyone would want to live in a true democracy. In a true democracy the majority will rule. There are 300 million people in the US. In a true democracy if 150,000,001 people wanted to return to slavery, the other 149,999,999 would have no say in the matter. Democracy is nothing more than "mob rule". Which is exactly why our Founding Fathers refused to set us up as a democracy. Greggw- The delegates in primary states are bound by the popular vote at the convention. But only during the first vote. After the first vote at the convention, they then can vote for whichever candidate they choose. This is the exact process that has been the case in the United States for over 200 years. The United States is NOT a democracy. We are a representative republic, just as Reualc stated earlier. I highly doubt anyone would want to live in a true democracy. In a true democracy the majority will rule. There are 300 million people in the US. In a true democracy if 150,000,001 people wanted to return to slavery, the other 149,999,999 would have no say in the matter. Democracy is nothing more than “mob rule”. Which is exactly why our Founding Fathers refused to set us up as a democracy.

]]> By: Greggw http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/delegate-math-puts-romney-almost-halfway-to-gop-nomination/#comment-22203692 Greggw Tue, 03 Apr 2012 21:33:30 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=560262#comment-22203692 Posted by: reualc | April 3, 2012, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm ****************** It's not a representative democratic process if the votes have no bearing on what the delegate does at the convention. Posted by: reualc | April 3, 2012, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm ****************** It’s not a representative democratic process if the votes have no bearing on what the delegate does at the convention.

]]> By: reualc http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/delegate-math-puts-romney-almost-halfway-to-gop-nomination/#comment-22201802 reualc Tue, 03 Apr 2012 21:04:39 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=560262#comment-22201802 No Greggw, not democracy,that's a representative republic (what we live in). However the process is very democratic. If your candidate doesn't get the delegates they wanted, then your candidate didn't organize well enough. No Greggw, not democracy,that’s a representative republic (what we live in). However the process is very democratic. If your candidate doesn’t get the delegates they wanted, then your candidate didn’t organize well enough.

]]> By: Greggw http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/delegate-math-puts-romney-almost-halfway-to-gop-nomination/#comment-22198722 Greggw Tue, 03 Apr 2012 20:18:28 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=560262#comment-22198722 Posted by: David I | April 3, 2012, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm ********************* That's pretty much my point. If Romney fails to get 1144 delegates commited before the convention then Santorum or someone else can sieze the nomination and what the voters think does not matter. That's not democracy. Posted by: David I | April 3, 2012, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm ********************* That’s pretty much my point. If Romney fails to get 1144 delegates commited before the convention then Santorum or someone else can sieze the nomination and what the voters think does not matter. That’s not democracy.

]]> By: David I http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/delegate-math-puts-romney-almost-halfway-to-gop-nomination/#comment-22193842 David I Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:25:54 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=560262#comment-22193842 The "delegate math" this article refers to is seriously flawed, or more to the point down right inaccurate. In non-binding caucus states not a single delegate has been awarded nor does the popular vote have any bearing whatsoever in how the delegates will be allocated. Their votes were nothing more than straw polls.These states won't allocate any of their delegates until after their respective state caucuses, which have yet to happen in a single state that has held non-binding caucuses. Iowa, Colorado, Minnesota, Maine, Washington State, Idaho, Wyoming, and Missouri all fall in to this category. These states account for 284 delegates. Of these 284 delegates, the AP has already "awarded" 104 of these delegates to Romney and 75 to Santorum. If we remove these "estimates" from the AP's numbers we actually have a clearer picture of how this race is shaping up. Romney actually only has 464 delegates, including the super-delegates who have pledged their support to him and Santorum only has 198 delegates, including the super-delegates who have pledged their support to him. The ONLY way Romney could come close to being half way to the 1144 magic number is if he wins every single delegate in today's three states, which would still only bring him to 562 delegates, 10 shy of the half way mark. IF Romney did win every single delegate up for grabs today, he would still need over 58% of the remaining delegates up for grabs from the 19 remaining states that will hold primaries. The problem with that is Romney has only had more than 58% of the vote in 3 of the 31 states that have held contests, those being Virginia, Massachusetts, and Idaho. My point in all of this is we are more than likely headed for a brokered convention in August. True delegate math clearly shows this. The “delegate math” this article refers to is seriously flawed, or more to the point down right inaccurate. In non-binding caucus states not a single delegate has been awarded nor does the popular vote have any bearing whatsoever in how the delegates will be allocated. Their votes were nothing more than straw polls.These states won’t allocate any of their delegates until after their respective state caucuses, which have yet to happen in a single state that has held non-binding caucuses. Iowa, Colorado, Minnesota, Maine, Washington State, Idaho, Wyoming, and Missouri all fall in to this category. These states account for 284 delegates. Of these 284 delegates, the AP has already “awarded” 104 of these delegates to Romney and 75 to Santorum. If we remove these “estimates” from the AP’s numbers we actually have a clearer picture of how this race is shaping up. Romney actually only has 464 delegates, including the super-delegates who have pledged their support to him and Santorum only has 198 delegates, including the super-delegates who have pledged their support to him. The ONLY way Romney could come close to being half way to the 1144 magic number is if he wins every single delegate in today’s three states, which would still only bring him to 562 delegates, 10 shy of the half way mark. IF Romney did win every single delegate up for grabs today, he would still need over 58% of the remaining delegates up for grabs from the 19 remaining states that will hold primaries. The problem with that is Romney has only had more than 58% of the vote in 3 of the 31 states that have held contests, those being Virginia, Massachusetts, and Idaho. My point in all of this is we are more than likely headed for a brokered convention in August. True delegate math clearly shows this.

]]> By: Greggw http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/delegate-math-puts-romney-almost-halfway-to-gop-nomination/#comment-22182862 Greggw Tue, 03 Apr 2012 17:01:52 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=560262#comment-22182862 Santorum keeps insisting that the count is wrong, because he says that there are many uncommited deligates being counted for Romney that he says may vote for Santorum at the convention. Extremeists on both the left and the right have contempt for democratic processes and believe that when democracy does not go their way it is tyranny. If this is the case at the GOP convention, Santorum may be able to create some trouble at the convention because the GOP is currently overloaded with extremests. Santorum keeps insisting that the count is wrong, because he says that there are many uncommited deligates being counted for Romney that he says may vote for Santorum at the convention. Extremeists on both the left and the right have contempt for democratic processes and believe that when democracy does not go their way it is tyranny. If this is the case at the GOP convention, Santorum may be able to create some trouble at the convention because the GOP is currently overloaded with extremests.

]]> By: Paul http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/delegate-math-puts-romney-almost-halfway-to-gop-nomination/#comment-22182402 Paul Tue, 03 Apr 2012 16:50:40 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=560262#comment-22182402 Romney is the only Adult in the coming election. Obama is proving to be a Defiant, petulant child, who is only capable of Dividing the country, and Threatening when he doesn't get his way. Obama shot himself in the foot when he Threatened the Supreme Court yesterday. By doing that, Obama proved that he didn't learn anything at Harvard, he knows NOTHING about constitutional law. Romney is the only Adult in the coming election.

Obama is proving to be a Defiant, petulant child, who is only capable of Dividing the country,
and Threatening when he doesn’t get his way.

Obama shot himself in the foot when he Threatened the Supreme Court yesterday.

By doing that, Obama proved that he didn’t learn anything at Harvard, he knows NOTHING
about constitutional law.

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