Comments on: Obama in Iowa: ‘I Have Strengthened Medicare’ http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/obama-in-iowa-i-have-strengthened-medicare/ The latest Politics news and blog posts from ABC News contributors and bloggers including Jake Tapper, George Stephanopoulos and more. Mon, 29 Sep 2014 22:15:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rational Db8 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/obama-in-iowa-i-have-strengthened-medicare/#comment-28356337 Rational Db8 Fri, 17 Aug 2012 04:19:22 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=807288#comment-28356337 Librarians53, you appear to be stuck on liberal talking points without bothering to check the facts involved.. First, the Obama medicare cuts go into Obamacare. It's the Ryan plan which put the money back into medicare. Actually Obama double counted those cuts. Just google: Paul Ryan: Hiding Spending Doesn't Reduce Spending Then as to it's effects on coverage and benefits, from Medicare's Actuary: "...What Democrats mean is that $156 billion of the cuts fall on the Medicare Advantage program. They have always hated this feature because it gives seniors access to private-sector coverage options. But seniors like it. A quarter of them, about 13 million, get their coverage through Medicare Advantage. The Obama cuts will chase about 4 million of them out of it, according to Medicare’s actuary..." and: "...Medicare’s actuaries consistently sound the alarm about the consequences. A May 2012 report of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services said, “The large reductions in Medicare payments rates to physicians would likely have serious implications for beneficiary access to care; utilization, intensity, and quality of services; and other factors....” Both paragraphs from:the National Review Online article: Give 'Em H*ll, Mitt! (replace the asterisk with an "e"!! I"m afraid if I spell it out, the spam filter would eat my post) Librarians53, you appear to be stuck on liberal talking points without bothering to check the facts involved..

First, the Obama medicare cuts go into Obamacare. It’s the Ryan plan which put the money back into medicare. Actually Obama double counted those cuts. Just google: Paul Ryan: Hiding Spending Doesn’t Reduce Spending

Then as to it’s effects on coverage and benefits, from Medicare’s Actuary: “…What Democrats mean is that $156 billion of the cuts fall on the Medicare Advantage program. They have always hated this feature because it gives seniors access to private-sector coverage options. But seniors like it. A quarter of them, about 13 million, get their coverage through Medicare Advantage. The Obama cuts will chase about 4 million of them out of it, according to Medicare’s actuary…”

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“…Medicare’s actuaries consistently sound the alarm about the consequences. A May 2012 report of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services said, “The large reductions in Medicare payments rates to physicians would likely have serious implications for beneficiary access to care; utilization, intensity, and quality of services; and other factors….” Both paragraphs from:the National Review Online article: Give ‘Em H*ll, Mitt! (replace the asterisk with an “e”!! I”m afraid if I spell it out, the spam filter would eat my post)

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By: Librarian53 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/obama-in-iowa-i-have-strengthened-medicare/#comment-28351982 Librarian53 Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:30:25 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=807288#comment-28351982 Right-wingers are telling a lot of fibs here. And they obviously haven't read the article that they are commenting on. Here's the most telling quote that they missed: "What the Romney campaign has not mentioned is that Obama’s cuts do not impact Medicare eligibility or benefits." Where is the money going to that has been saved by cutting waste, fraud, etc. .... right back into Medicare, as its solvency has been extended by 8 years due to these changes. And Medicare patients now get a free annual check-up and pay less for prescriptions! Seniors and those who care about their future retirement, vote for Obama this November! He cares about retirees. Romney wants to switch to a voucher system for Medicare which will end up with a 65 year old paying $6350 a year and a 77 year old $14,000 a year out of their own pocket. How many retirees can afford that? Right-wingers are telling a lot of fibs here. And they obviously haven’t read the article that they are commenting on. Here’s the most telling quote that they missed:
“What the Romney campaign has not mentioned is that Obama’s cuts do not impact Medicare eligibility or benefits.”
Where is the money going to that has been saved by cutting waste, fraud, etc. …. right back into Medicare, as its solvency has been extended by 8 years due to these changes. And Medicare patients now get a free annual check-up and pay less for prescriptions!
Seniors and those who care about their future retirement, vote for Obama this November! He cares about retirees. Romney wants to switch to a voucher system for Medicare which will end up with a 65 year old paying $6350 a year and a 77 year old $14,000 a year out of their own pocket. How many retirees can afford that?

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By: JamesCy http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/obama-in-iowa-i-have-strengthened-medicare/#comment-28351965 JamesCy Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:26:52 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=807288#comment-28351965 If it was so easy to “cut medicare costs,” of $716 Billion by simply tightening down on waste and fraud, don’t you think it might have been done before “Obama proclaimed IT from the Mount?” As my dad used to say, “simply saying IT, doesn't make IT so,” unless you are Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi or Barack Obama. For them, once “said” IT becomes a FACT. Simply put, more Obama "fairy dust," not to mention Obama has the audacity to say Paul Ryan wants to through Grannie of the cliff. Comparatively speaking, Obama wants to put Grannie through a met grinder and feed her to the fish. If it was so easy to “cut medicare costs,” of $716 Billion by simply tightening down on waste and fraud, don’t you think it might have been done before “Obama proclaimed IT from the Mount?”

As my dad used to say, “simply saying IT, doesn’t make IT so,” unless you are Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi or Barack Obama. For them, once “said” IT becomes a FACT.

Simply put, more Obama “fairy dust,” not to mention Obama has the audacity to say Paul Ryan wants to through Grannie of the cliff. Comparatively speaking, Obama wants to put Grannie through a met grinder and feed her to the fish.

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By: Rational Db8 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/obama-in-iowa-i-have-strengthened-medicare/#comment-28351076 Rational Db8 Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:25:29 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=807288#comment-28351076 More mendacious demagoguery from Obama. He states: "reforms that will not touch your Medicare benefits, not by a dime,” Obama said. “They want to turn Medicare into a voucher program,” he said. “That means seniors would no longer have the guarantee of Medicare. They’d get a voucher to buy private insurance." Sorry Obama, but every senior who's on Medicare Advantage knows that you plan to eliminate it. That 'touches' far far more than a dime, and it reduces benefits for every senior who's been on it also. Furthermore, the Romney/Ryan plans don't touch Medicare for anyone 55 or older, and for those who are younger, once they are old enough to qualify for Medicare a decade or further out from now, would have the option of the voucher program or Medicare as it currently is. I don't think Obama knows how to be honest - he more and more seems to be a compulsive liar. It's a sorry disgrace to the Office of the President of the USA, and to all of us. More mendacious demagoguery from Obama. He states: “reforms that will not touch your Medicare benefits, not by a dime,” Obama said. “They want to turn Medicare into a voucher program,” he said. “That means seniors would no longer have the guarantee of Medicare. They’d get a voucher to buy private insurance.”

Sorry Obama, but every senior who’s on Medicare Advantage knows that you plan to eliminate it. That ‘touches’ far far more than a dime, and it reduces benefits for every senior who’s been on it also.

Furthermore, the Romney/Ryan plans don’t touch Medicare for anyone 55 or older, and for those who are younger, once they are old enough to qualify for Medicare a decade or further out from now, would have the option of the voucher program or Medicare as it currently is.

I don’t think Obama knows how to be honest – he more and more seems to be a compulsive liar. It’s a sorry disgrace to the Office of the President of the USA, and to all of us.

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By: Rational Db8 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/obama-in-iowa-i-have-strengthened-medicare/#comment-28351047 Rational Db8 Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:19:17 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=807288#comment-28351047 I'll copy my post from another article, with minor edits: Let’s hope it changes Medicare as we know it. The current form is rapidly going bankrupt – it must be changed. Right now roughly half of all doctors refuse to take new medicare patients because they lose money on them. If a hospital has over a certain percentage of medicare patients, they get paid higher rates because if they were paid the regular medicare rates, they’d rapidly be bankrupt. That means that all hospitals currently aren’t being paid enough to break even on medicare patients. But Obama is going to cut $700 Billion in waste and fraud from the system without limiting benefits? When has the government ever managed to do that??? And if they can, well, Obama has had nearly 4 years to do it already, why hasn’t he cut any fraud and waste out of existing medicare programs?? The claim is straight out of fantasy land, and it will never materialize. It’ll be rationing and/or that much further in debt. As to Ryan’s plan taking the same cut – 1) Ryan isn’t running for president, and Romney’s plan doesn’t include that supposed ‘cut.’ 2) Ryan specifically left that in his plan because of pressure from Democrats - to satisfy them and gain bipartisan support. Only he applied it to the Medicare trust fund to help support Medicare, where Obama applies it to ObamaCare, thus weakening Medicare further. I’m sick to death of biased ‘fact checks’ that just muddy the waters further. I’ll copy my post from another article, with minor edits:

Let’s hope it changes Medicare as we know it. The current form is rapidly going bankrupt – it must be changed.

Right now roughly half of all doctors refuse to take new medicare patients because they lose money on them. If a hospital has over a certain percentage of medicare patients, they get paid higher rates because if they were paid the regular medicare rates, they’d rapidly be bankrupt. That means that all hospitals currently aren’t being paid enough to break even on medicare patients.

But Obama is going to cut $700 Billion in waste and fraud from the system without limiting benefits? When has the government ever managed to do that??? And if they can, well, Obama has had nearly 4 years to do it already, why hasn’t he cut any fraud and waste out of existing medicare programs?? The claim is straight out of fantasy land, and it will never materialize. It’ll be rationing and/or that much further in debt.

As to Ryan’s plan taking the same cut – 1) Ryan isn’t running for president, and Romney’s plan doesn’t include that supposed ‘cut.’ 2) Ryan specifically left that in his plan because of pressure from Democrats – to satisfy them and gain bipartisan support. Only he applied it to the Medicare trust fund to help support Medicare, where Obama applies it to ObamaCare, thus weakening Medicare further.

I’m sick to death of biased ‘fact checks’ that just muddy the waters further.

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By: Noz http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/obama-in-iowa-i-have-strengthened-medicare/#comment-28350236 Noz Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:10:36 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=807288#comment-28350236 "I Have Strengthened Medicare" - President Obama There's some truth to that yet despite the absolute best efforts of our beloved president NoBo, Medicare is still headed for insolvency. Barry has provided us with another reason among the many, to elect someone else to be President. What he's really saying is "No matter how hard I try, even staying sharp with numerous golf outings, I can't get the job done" “I Have Strengthened Medicare” – President Obama

There’s some truth to that yet despite the absolute best efforts of our beloved president NoBo, Medicare is still headed for insolvency.
Barry has provided us with another reason among the many, to elect someone else to be President. What he’s really saying is “No matter how hard I try, even staying sharp with numerous golf outings, I can’t get the job done”

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By: Freedom http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/obama-in-iowa-i-have-strengthened-medicare/#comment-28350146 Freedom Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:49:59 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=807288#comment-28350146 How can he keep saying such things when he knows they are complete lies... How can he keep saying such things when he knows they are complete lies…

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By: lexingtonlady http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/obama-in-iowa-i-have-strengthened-medicare/#comment-28348720 lexingtonlady Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:36:21 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=807288#comment-28348720 Hey republicans, you're really going to give up healthcare security for Mitt to pay less than 1% in taxes? Are you people nuts? Obama cut overhead. Not bennies. For God's sake will you sheep wake up and not lead this country to slaughter? You're willing to pay $6500 more a year right out the gate when this program will be written to give you less per year because they're going to go by regular inflation and not medical. This is how this program saves money, because those vouchers become more worthless as the years roll on. But the congressmen? Well their healthcare is written to where it grows by medical inflation. So they'll never have to pay out of pocket. You people are really fools to go for this. Hey republicans, you’re really going to give up healthcare security for Mitt to pay less than 1% in taxes? Are you people nuts? Obama cut overhead. Not bennies. For God’s sake will you sheep wake up and not lead this country to slaughter? You’re willing to pay $6500 more a year right out the gate when this program will be written to give you less per year because they’re going to go by regular inflation and not medical. This is how this program saves money, because those vouchers become more worthless as the years roll on. But the congressmen? Well their healthcare is written to where it grows by medical inflation. So they’ll never have to pay out of pocket. You people are really fools to go for this.

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By: acdc2012 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/obama-in-iowa-i-have-strengthened-medicare/#comment-28348718 acdc2012 Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:35:31 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=807288#comment-28348718 Not Romney, not Ryan, not the GOP, according to the CBO's reports on June 2012, Barrack Hussein will gut $716 billion from Medicare to fund his health car. Not Romney, not Ryan, not the GOP, according to the CBO’s reports on June 2012, Barrack Hussein will gut $716 billion from Medicare to fund his health car.

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By: acdc2012 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/obama-in-iowa-i-have-strengthened-medicare/#comment-28348701 acdc2012 Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:28:36 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=807288#comment-28348701 Check the CBO's report. Barrack Hussein will gut $716 Billion from Medicare to fund his Healthcare. This is where the low income and the middle income family gets shafted. Check the CBO’s report. Barrack Hussein will gut $716 Billion from Medicare to fund his Healthcare. This is where the low income and the middle income family gets shafted.

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