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	<title>Comments on: Paul Ryan&#8217;s Disputed GM Claim Pops Up in Iowa Ad</title>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Romney did say let them go bankrupt. and yes. President&#039;s Obama&#039;s team did take them through a managed bankruptcy.  But, there is one very big difference.  There was no private money available to take GM or Chrysler into bankruptcy, NONE, NADA.  That is why President Obama stepped in.  If he had not stepped in the entire auto industry in America would have gone out of business, including Ford because losing the other two would have also forced Ford into bankruptcy.

The hated stimulus saved and created between 3 million and 4 million jobs and actually put this great country back on a path to prosperity.  The problem was that we actually lost 8 million jobs before the stimulus had time to kick in.  Every penny spent and what it did is published on-line.  Read the New, New Deal by Michael Grundwald and educate yourself to all the things that this remarketable bill actually does for the USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Romney did say let them go bankrupt. and yes. President&#8217;s Obama&#8217;s team did take them through a managed bankruptcy.  But, there is one very big difference.  There was no private money available to take GM or Chrysler into bankruptcy, NONE, NADA.  That is why President Obama stepped in.  If he had not stepped in the entire auto industry in America would have gone out of business, including Ford because losing the other two would have also forced Ford into bankruptcy.</p>
<p>The hated stimulus saved and created between 3 million and 4 million jobs and actually put this great country back on a path to prosperity.  The problem was that we actually lost 8 million jobs before the stimulus had time to kick in.  Every penny spent and what it did is published on-line.  Read the New, New Deal by Michael Grundwald and educate yourself to all the things that this remarketable bill actually does for the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: green.goddess</title>
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		<dc:creator>green.goddess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REALITY_FROM_AN_INDEPENDANT &#124; SEPTEMBER 10, 2012, 8:00 PM Posted:  &quot;Sorry but the White house actually claimed 5.2% at the end of his first term. Wall Street Journal did a write up on back in 2009. Look it up greenhorn.&quot;

I did, years ago.  But this Big Lie is persistent.  

At the end of February, 2009, the WSJ did publish &quot;a write up&quot; about this very issue, claiming &quot;unemployment rate at the end of President Barack Obama‘s term in 2013 will be just 5.2%, according to the White House&quot;.  No other media sources published these numbers because it they were not accurate, and this nonsense has been debunked since then.

Repeatedly, fact checker PolitiFact could find NO EVIDENCE of anyone in the administration promising the stimulus would bring unemployment below 8%.  (PolitiFact 10.13.2011.)  

Let&#039;s get to the root of this misinformation:

It&#039;s apparently based a report written WEEKS before President Obama took office by transition team on the president&#039;s Council of Economic Advisers, called Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan - the brief projected stimulus spending could create 3 to 4 million jobs.

No one had a complete picture of just how bad things were at the time, so the report came with severe disclaimers - &quot;significant margins of error&quot; - &quot;fundamental uncertainty&quot;- &quot;forecasts vary&quot;.

No clue where the staff at the WSJ found their numbers back then either.  As the depth of this Recession unfolded, it proved all those forecasts wrong, including the WSJ.  I stand by my original post that the President NEVER MADE THAT CLAIM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REALITY_FROM_AN_INDEPENDANT | SEPTEMBER 10, 2012, 8:00 PM Posted:  &#8220;Sorry but the White house actually claimed 5.2% at the end of his first term. Wall Street Journal did a write up on back in 2009. Look it up greenhorn.&#8221;</p>
<p>I did, years ago.  But this Big Lie is persistent.  </p>
<p>At the end of February, 2009, the WSJ did publish &#8220;a write up&#8221; about this very issue, claiming &#8220;unemployment rate at the end of President Barack Obama‘s term in 2013 will be just 5.2%, according to the White House&#8221;.  No other media sources published these numbers because it they were not accurate, and this nonsense has been debunked since then.</p>
<p>Repeatedly, fact checker PolitiFact could find NO EVIDENCE of anyone in the administration promising the stimulus would bring unemployment below 8%.  (PolitiFact 10.13.2011.)  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get to the root of this misinformation:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s apparently based a report written WEEKS before President Obama took office by transition team on the president&#8217;s Council of Economic Advisers, called Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan &#8211; the brief projected stimulus spending could create 3 to 4 million jobs.</p>
<p>No one had a complete picture of just how bad things were at the time, so the report came with severe disclaimers &#8211; &#8220;significant margins of error&#8221; &#8211; &#8220;fundamental uncertainty&#8221;- &#8220;forecasts vary&#8221;.</p>
<p>No clue where the staff at the WSJ found their numbers back then either.  As the depth of this Recession unfolded, it proved all those forecasts wrong, including the WSJ.  I stand by my original post that the President NEVER MADE THAT CLAIM.</p>
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		<title>By: the pragmatist</title>
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		<dc:creator>the pragmatist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 03:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Posted by: TexBork_2012 &#124; September 10, 2012, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm &quot;According to Tampa’s Politifact, President Obama has kept the majority of his campaign promises: 54% including those compromised to pass. 10% were stalled and 22% more are in the works. Only 16% were not completed – 2% not yet rated&quot;

37% passed as promised, 14% passed with compromise.  51% was a failing grade in every school I attended.  Here are some of the major promises broken.

Create Transparency in Washington - Failed
Publicize the Health Care Debate on TV - Failed (Backroom deal)
Create a Bi-Partisan atmosphere in Washington - Failed (yell obstructionism all you want, leadership starts at the top)
Close Guantanamo - Failed
Reduce Health Insurance Premiums for the average family by $ 2,500 - Failed
Reduce unemployment below 8% with stimulus - Failed
Pass comprehensive immigration reform - Failed (executive decree doesn&#039;t count)
Keep lobbyists out of the White House - Failed big time
10 billion dollar Foreclosure prevention fund - Failed

But to be fair there are some things he has achieved:

&quot;Under my plan energy costs would necessarily skyrocket&quot; - A rousing success
Obamacare - Passed although wildly unpopular (and not yet proven to achieve lower costs)
Bin Laden - Dead (i will give him credit)
GM - Alive through Union pension bailout (Our greatest Auto manufacturer is now owned partially by the US taxpayer and the United Auto Workers Union)
Controlling what snacks my kids can and can&#039;t eat in school and what I have to pack in their lunch - success

This man is a complete disaster as president.   Maybe he needs to go back to the Senate where he can vote &quot;present&quot; for another 16 years or so....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posted by: TexBork_2012 | September 10, 2012, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm &#8220;According to Tampa’s Politifact, President Obama has kept the majority of his campaign promises: 54% including those compromised to pass. 10% were stalled and 22% more are in the works. Only 16% were not completed – 2% not yet rated&#8221;</p>
<p>37% passed as promised, 14% passed with compromise.  51% was a failing grade in every school I attended.  Here are some of the major promises broken.</p>
<p>Create Transparency in Washington &#8211; Failed<br />
Publicize the Health Care Debate on TV &#8211; Failed (Backroom deal)<br />
Create a Bi-Partisan atmosphere in Washington &#8211; Failed (yell obstructionism all you want, leadership starts at the top)<br />
Close Guantanamo &#8211; Failed<br />
Reduce Health Insurance Premiums for the average family by $ 2,500 &#8211; Failed<br />
Reduce unemployment below 8% with stimulus &#8211; Failed<br />
Pass comprehensive immigration reform &#8211; Failed (executive decree doesn&#8217;t count)<br />
Keep lobbyists out of the White House &#8211; Failed big time<br />
10 billion dollar Foreclosure prevention fund &#8211; Failed</p>
<p>But to be fair there are some things he has achieved:</p>
<p>&#8220;Under my plan energy costs would necessarily skyrocket&#8221; &#8211; A rousing success<br />
Obamacare &#8211; Passed although wildly unpopular (and not yet proven to achieve lower costs)<br />
Bin Laden &#8211; Dead (i will give him credit)<br />
GM &#8211; Alive through Union pension bailout (Our greatest Auto manufacturer is now owned partially by the US taxpayer and the United Auto Workers Union)<br />
Controlling what snacks my kids can and can&#8217;t eat in school and what I have to pack in their lunch &#8211; success</p>
<p>This man is a complete disaster as president.   Maybe he needs to go back to the Senate where he can vote &#8220;present&#8221; for another 16 years or so&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Obama Zombie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama Zombie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 00:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Chicago &quot;machine&quot; decided which plants stayed open and which closed!  The Wisconsin plant must have given enough kick-backs to President Obama then the other GM plants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chicago &#8220;machine&#8221; decided which plants stayed open and which closed!  The Wisconsin plant must have given enough kick-backs to President Obama then the other GM plants.</p>
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		<title>By: reality_from_an_independant</title>
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		<dc:creator>reality_from_an_independant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 00:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry Robert... They will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry Robert&#8230; They will.</p>
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		<title>By: reality_from_an_independant</title>
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		<dc:creator>reality_from_an_independant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 00:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry but the White house actually claimed 5.2% at the end of his first term. Wall Street Journal did a write up on back in 2009. Look it up greenhorn. Your &#039;green&#039; and new at this aren&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but the White house actually claimed 5.2% at the end of his first term. Wall Street Journal did a write up on back in 2009. Look it up greenhorn. Your &#8216;green&#8217; and new at this aren&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: RobertMiii</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobertMiii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the people of Iowa believe Paul Ryan and his assertion that the GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin closed because Obama failed in his conviction to help the American automobile industry I hope that state goes RED! In fact, I hope they let Paul Ryan decide their state specific Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security rules and regulations... Go vote for Ryan and Romney Iowa...lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the people of Iowa believe Paul Ryan and his assertion that the GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin closed because Obama failed in his conviction to help the American automobile industry I hope that state goes RED! In fact, I hope they let Paul Ryan decide their state specific Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security rules and regulations&#8230; Go vote for Ryan and Romney Iowa&#8230;lol</p>
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		<title>By: green.goddess</title>
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		<dc:creator>green.goddess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;promising it would lower the Unemployment Rate to 5.6%… Ha ha, what a whopper!!!&quot; 

I guess the joke is on those who believe that debunked Right Wing myth.  Fact check and it&#039;s easy to see the President NEVER MADE THAT CLAIM.

Many Republicans have claimed that Obama &quot;promised his stimulus package would bring the national unemployment rate below 8%.  That Right Wing fiction simply is not true according to PolitFact.  

It&#039;s the Republican zombie rumor that won&#039;t die.  And it is one more piece of &quot;empty&quot; fluff without addressing where Mitt Romney stands on real issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;promising it would lower the Unemployment Rate to 5.6%… Ha ha, what a whopper!!!&#8221; </p>
<p>I guess the joke is on those who believe that debunked Right Wing myth.  Fact check and it&#8217;s easy to see the President NEVER MADE THAT CLAIM.</p>
<p>Many Republicans have claimed that Obama &#8220;promised his stimulus package would bring the national unemployment rate below 8%.  That Right Wing fiction simply is not true according to PolitFact.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the Republican zombie rumor that won&#8217;t die.  And it is one more piece of &#8220;empty&#8221; fluff without addressing where Mitt Romney stands on real issues.</p>
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		<title>By: reality_from_an_independant</title>
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		<dc:creator>reality_from_an_independant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does “empty” mean to Right Wingers?

Oh, how about passing a trillion dollar stimulus of borrowed tax payer money and promising it would lower the Unemployment Rate to 5.6%... Ha ha, what a whopper!!! You would at least think Obama would have the common decency to apologize the the american people at his convention that he was waaaayyy off that promise. But then again, if he did that, it would open up a whole other can of worms like what the stimulus money actually went to. Ie 500M to Solyndra and other crony pet projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does “empty” mean to Right Wingers?</p>
<p>Oh, how about passing a trillion dollar stimulus of borrowed tax payer money and promising it would lower the Unemployment Rate to 5.6%&#8230; Ha ha, what a whopper!!! You would at least think Obama would have the common decency to apologize the the american people at his convention that he was waaaayyy off that promise. But then again, if he did that, it would open up a whole other can of worms like what the stimulus money actually went to. Ie 500M to Solyndra and other crony pet projects.</p>
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		<title>By: Hanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Texbork, your statement about the Volt was refuted and disproven as False by the car expert for Forbes Magazine today. You should read the opposing view to your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texbork, your statement about the Volt was refuted and disproven as False by the car expert for Forbes Magazine today. You should read the opposing view to your post.</p>
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