Fiscal Cliff ‘Plan B’ Is Dead: Now What?

“The prospects look grimmer than ever. It will be interesting to see if the markets react.”

I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but the grimmer the prospects of a fiscal-cliff deal, the higher the markets go. Do you know why? Because going off the fiscal-cliff isn’t great, but it’s easily better than just about anything Barack Hussein is willing to sign. And it isn’t bad, either. Raises taxes, guts spending. The gutting spending part, which is the important part, Barack Hussein apparently will never go along with.

What this is a good omen of, is, though, that there is probably no way we can raise the debt ceiling anymore. And that is good because it does something we haven’t done in a long time: balance the budget. And it balances it, overnight! PUMA!

“Now what” is a stupid question. First of all it was the dumbest name for a bill ever (which is saying a lot because Boehner has a flare for weird bill nomenclature) and It was dead from the very beginning. Since 2010 the House has had the most moronic leadership at every level ever witnessed. Possibly and most likely even worse then the pre and post civil war era’s.

now what? just do nothing and let’s go over the cliff!
there is really nothing to fear now and it’s time for everyone to share some tax increase and sacrifices.

You can take a Janitor from his job but he will always be a Janitor. Boner.

“Fiscal Cliff ‘Plan B’ Is Dead: Now What?”—We go over the cliff, what else did you expect. This way, each party can continue to blame the other for out lousy government. Partisan politics is doing what members think is best for their party, not what’s best for the nation. It’s time for a change alright and not one that these dinosaurs would want.

Oh, so Soly. Should I say, he left the Janitorial job but is still in the Janitorial state of mind!
Love the caviar, jets, and of course, as we saw with other officials, perks. Petraeus

Ford employees made the equivalent of $50.00 today (one of the largest employers in the 60′s) not to mention health benefits. Walmart is an equal partner today, with $? & no health benefits to all part time employers. ?? Bless America! our work force.

How about nobody in Congress gets paid until they learn to cooperate with each other? No paycheck, no benefits, no free haircuts, no free ANYTHING. AND..they can’t agree on what to do but they sure all agreed to take a Holiday vacation, didn’t they? We need to stop this two-party nonsense and clear out all those who are elected to office, and find totally new, never run before representatives and senators. NO TENURE, either..they run a designated time, and then they are OUT.

CLIFF checklist: House paid for–check! Living within my means–check! Two retirement incomes—check! SS about to begin—check!!! Roth IRA-IRA–both $200K—check! Investments locked down for market meltdown–check! Ready for my taxes to go up $2K a year–check! OK…CLIFF checklist complete—-we are A-OK——Let ‘er rip, tater chip!
[Remember, we all came into the world poor, naked and crying! No sense in not exiting the same way!]

Where’s the almighty leader, doing another press conference? Waiting for another disaster, anther school shooting?

He is also the BIGGEST DO NOTHING PRESIDENT!

The big joke is that going over the fiscal cliff is a small does of reality. Spending cuts need to be about 4-10x as large in order to get the budget deficit under control. Taxes can’t go that high without killing the economy. Both parties are trying to find a way to make voters happy, not do what is in the best interests of the country. The country is at the point where the only smart thing to do is take a lot of pain now, or a hell of a lot more in a few years, but voters will punish anyone who makes them feel pain. This is why all the smart guys are leaving Congress and refusing to run for president.

Time for Plan C. How about Obama cancel his million dollar hawaain vacation and he and Reid get off there lazy arses, and work with there democrat colleagues and agree to a plan that will pass in the senate and then send over to the house for an up or down vote. No way would the republicans vote it down. Get to work Obama! Let me remind everyone, that Obama needs to lead!

With the failure to pass Plan B comes the end of Boehner’s Speakership. Obama told the obstructionist Democrats to not vote for a bill that raises the tax rates on those making a million a year while holding steady tax rates for 99% of Americans. Instead it is looking more likely we will all bbe getting a tax increase.
January 3rd the House will vote on a new Speaker, and that person will probably be less willing to give Obama a higher debt ceiling.

Oh well, I guess there wasn’t even one Demo in the House who wanted to avoid the fiscal cliff and would have supported Plan “B”?
Now it’s Hairy Reid and Barry’s turn to come up with something that will pass.

Boehner needs his red nose! Has any one seen his RED NOSE?? Red nose anyone? Boehner needs his red nose!

IF GOVERNMENT WAS TRUELY CONCERN ABOUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THEY WOULD PUT AN END TO CORPORATE WELFARE AND STOP GIVING MONEY TO COUNTRY THAT WOULD LOVE TO SEE US ALL DEAD.

“Thank you enlightened voters, you really stuck it to us this time, now get ready to reap what you sowed.” – RPlat

Hey, we voted for failure and Barry Hussein O’Bama is doing all he can to give us what we voted for.

So NOZ it is okay with you for the Government to give Billions of dollars to profitting company and countries who hate us, but it isn’t okay to give Billions of dollars to help the poor, disable and seniors or do I just misunderstand you stance on this issue.

I’m beginning to the think the Fiscal Cliff has a lot in common with the Mayan Apocalypse. Once the taxes go up, the Democrats can introduce a bill to cut the taxes on people making less that 400,000 a year. The Republicans will have to vote for it or show their true colors when they try to get additional tax cuts for the rich tacked on. What I don’t understand…if the Republicans wanted the tax cuts to be permanent, why did they agree to an expiration date in the first place? It doesn’t add up!
——–@WEB63GP Do you even realize we are not at War with the Chinese? If the Chinese are our problem, why do we spend so much time in the Middlle East? I am absolutely giddy about the 9% defense cuts – there is so much waste in defense…anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool….or a Republican.

You are all disgusting you guys argue about our future like a my sides better than yours battle. This is horrible, how can you call yourselves men and women of values. Its either hope for the failure of our president or some negative event to poke at. We dont need this its obviously not working out well in congress. I think President Obama has an uphill battle fighting to get bi partisanship from a bunch of old selfish stuck in their ways bigots. Lets be honest people thats all it is. While most americans stand up for and embrace change you guys refuse and then point the finger at everyone else refusing to hold yourselves accountable for all the hatred youve filled your hearts with.

These guys are going to let everyone get taxed just to rubb dirt on the Obama administration. The wealthy in America arent hard working dedicated millionares they are smart lazy freeloaders that use other peoples hard work to generate themselves a fortune. Truth. Now they want to tax the very workers that generate them a fortune just to cut costs and maximize profits, then the racist far right buy in to this ideology because they got a token Black face to be their enemy. Pathetic and typicall ofAmerican politics for the last 50 years. Now you have the very people that Obama is trying to defend blaming him for their own leaders decisions???? And you call the democrats brainwashed. At least they try to think on their own with out the media (FOX) driven steriotypical nonsense about poverty and race relations. I pray for you and your families. Have a happy holidays.

All you dingbats attacking Boehner make normal people like me laugh. Harry Reid sits on his arse and you bich about Boehner. Obama makes demands and you attack Boehner. At least Boehner has compromised on revenue and made an attempt with Obama. While both parties are completely at fault for this cliff, Obama is driving the bus over it and only his minions will blme the other party when we the normal people know differently.

They’re looking really foolish.

Perplexed | December 21, 2012, 10:13 am —- Unless you bash Boehner, that happens all the time. I get it a lot. Praise Obama and see how you don’t get it. LOL

I am sick of the constant finger-pointing and disrespect that we as Americans have allowed into our daily lives. Each of us need to be accountable for what has happened and where we are at this moment. This is not a conspiracy, it is a breakdown in our culture and values. Do we only reserve the word bravery for our military and teachers who throw themselves in front of a gunman? We like the “debate” but shy away from action. It’s like watching an episode of “Housewives” and it’s embarrassing. I used to think that our government should take pointers from business but businesses are now only run by spreadsheets with no regard for people or doing the right thing. Maybe we all were secretly hoping the “End of Days” was really coming and we could misbehave until the end. Surprise! We are still here and we have fallen behind in all but military might. A country of savages that resist accountability. Very sad!

I’m buying a glass door for our home.

lets get to that cliff already!

TFERRETTI 10:47 “I have no doubt, despite his threat of a veto; the President would have signed Boehner’s Plan B.
It would have saved the tax cut for the middle class, taxed the millionaires a little, not touched Social Security or Medicare and the spending cuts would be minimal.”
…and not one hunded, not fifty, not ten and not even one Democrat in the House showed any support for the trio of bills.
Now back to blaming Republicans.

IONAGOAL

I think the President and Harry Reid would have cajoled, arm twisted, threatened loss of party support and generally did what leaders do get things done and the Senate would have passed plan B with maybe a few modifications.

The democrats in the House voted in lock step 188 to 0 against it because Nancy Pelosi thought they could get a better deal. Once she saw this Senate version was all they could get, she too would have used her power to get the democrats in line and this cliff would have been averted.

It’s Boehner’s weakness that’s the big problem. How can they get anything done when he’s so weak he can’t call his own caucus to task for acting like spoiled, stubborn, opinionated brats?

NOSPIN1600

Don’t lump the democrats in, they have given on almost every proposal. It’s not the democrats that are holding the middle class hostage to the tax cuts for the wealthy.

This problem lies with the tea party “do nothing” republicans who hate this President so much they’d sacrifice their country to make him look bad.

Guilt by association is a typical republican ploy to con the American people.

@tmferretti — You have to see the forest through the trees. When either side comes to the table and first thing out of their mouth is “I won’t…” i.e. Obama saying I won’y agree to anything that does not increase taxes on wealthy americans,… and Republicans saying we won’t agree to …. Both sides need to not come to the table with I won’ts and come to the table with what can we do to meet in the middle. At this point it should not be about a party but should be about the country and the citizens of this country. Politicians have long forgotten who they are in office to server. They honestly believe it is their respective party agendas and NOT the people who voted them in to office.

NOSPIN and COMMONSENSE

The President would have given in for the main reason of stopping the tax hike on the middle class. Plus, he got some of the other things he wanted, especially the hands off position about Social Security and Medicare.

Notice the President never had much criticism for Plan B. Even I am smart enough to recognize his threat for what it was, an attempt to get more concessions. When push came to a shove he would have signed that bill.

I agree, forget party, but that’s impossible to do when you have one party that hates one man so much they’d cut their nose off to spite their face.

The founders knew compromise was the only way our government could work. When the members of one party area so caught up in hate for the President of the United States; the options for cooperation are non-existent.

The President assumed the negotiations were still in progress, he didn’t know , which he should have, that Boehner was so weak he couldn’t control his own causus. His veto threat was just another avenue to strenghen his bargaing power.

All you have is my opinion on whetehr he’d veto it or not, who knows , even if both the House and Senate passed Plan B, he could have vetoed it, I just think it’s unlikely he would.

Obama is the man at the top. You say the veto threat was only a negotiating position. The Bill was already written. The neegotiations were over. His veto threat was his way of saying “I don’t agree with this compromise.”
Why should the Republicans that have promised their voters not to raise taxes go on record as voting for a tax increase that the President has threatened to veto.