Comments on: Liberals Reject, Conservatives Embrace Kristof’s Welfare Argument http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/liberals-reject-conservatives-embrace-kristofs-welfare-argument/ The latest Politics news and blog posts from ABC News contributors and bloggers including Jake Tapper, George Stephanopoulos and more. Fri, 18 Apr 2014 22:39:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: green.goddess http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/liberals-reject-conservatives-embrace-kristofs-welfare-argument/#comment-29888214 green.goddess Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:09:41 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=828336#comment-29888214 @ Howwie Where is your data that "extreme examples of abuse are not unique"? Ryan is a "big picture" politician - along with other Libertarian flavored Republicans - whose goal was to fundamentally CHANGE, not FIX, targeted government programs like Welfare and Medicare. A true agenda to reform the real "welfare state" should include deep cuts to our warfare level defense budget. It should reduce or eliminate benefits for millions of affluent retirees, not just focus on the poor. When poverty and unemployment went up because of the Recession, Food Stamp enrollment went up too. An example of the program's flexibility at helping people newly unemployed or working for lower wages. But the block grant program created by President Clinton's 1996 welfare reform, did not flex to help those in need. And the state-by-state differences in stimulus spending clearly showed that state block grants don't always get to the people who need them. And Howwie, mine are not simply Huffpost talking points - go read David A. Stockman, Republican Budget Director who says Republican budget proposals are "devoid of credible math or hard policy choices". @ Howwie

Where is your data that “extreme examples of abuse are not unique”?

Ryan is a “big picture” politician – along with other Libertarian flavored Republicans – whose goal was to fundamentally CHANGE, not FIX, targeted government programs like Welfare and Medicare. A true agenda to reform the real “welfare state” should include deep cuts to our warfare level defense budget. It should reduce or eliminate benefits for millions of affluent retirees, not just focus on the poor.

When poverty and unemployment went up because of the Recession, Food Stamp enrollment went up too. An example of the program’s flexibility at helping people newly unemployed or working for lower wages. But the block grant program created by President Clinton’s 1996 welfare reform, did not flex to help those in need. And the state-by-state differences in stimulus spending clearly showed that state block grants don’t always get to the people who need them.

And Howwie, mine are not simply Huffpost talking points – go read David A. Stockman, Republican Budget Director who says Republican budget proposals are “devoid of credible math or hard policy choices”.

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By: Howwie http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/liberals-reject-conservatives-embrace-kristofs-welfare-argument/#comment-29886889 Howwie Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:53:26 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=828336#comment-29886889 um....yeah....I think you got an old copy of Democrat talking points about the proposal. As for Medicaid, the talking points failed to include that Medicaid block grants would help states lower Medicaid costs and provide them with the flexibility to better serve the poor. The level of service was actually estimated to go up. As for the tax rates for the wealthy, even the CBO has acknowledged the proposed change is a revenue-neutral tax reform plan that simplifies the tax code. And Food Stamps? Half of the 'savings' was by changing the eligability requirements BACK to what they were when Obama took office. There are many extreme examples of abuse and they are NOT unique. The other half was by INVESTING in jobs training to get people back to work and actually lowering the need for Food Stamps. Please, just a little more research than reviewing the huff post. Thanks. um….yeah….I think you got an old copy of Democrat talking points about the proposal.
As for Medicaid, the talking points failed to include that Medicaid block grants would help states lower Medicaid costs and provide them with the flexibility to better serve the poor. The level of service was actually estimated to go up. As for the tax rates for the wealthy, even the CBO has acknowledged the proposed change is a revenue-neutral tax reform plan that simplifies the tax code.
And Food Stamps? Half of the ‘savings’ was by changing the eligability requirements BACK to what they were when Obama took office. There are many extreme examples of abuse and they are NOT unique. The other half was by INVESTING in jobs training to get people back to work and actually lowering the need for Food Stamps. Please, just a little more research than reviewing the huff post. Thanks.

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By: green.goddess http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/liberals-reject-conservatives-embrace-kristofs-welfare-argument/#comment-29886623 green.goddess Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:35:33 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=828336#comment-29886623 "All the liberals were in a panic over what they claimed was Ryan’s plan to eliminate benefits." No, Ryan proposed shredding means-testing for the vulnerable: cutting $100 billion per year for food stamps and cash assistance for needy families and the $300 billion budget for Medicaid, the health insurance program for the poor and disabled. The Ryan Plan boiled down to the Republican fetish for cutting the top marginal income-tax rate for the superwealthy. Time for the GOP to step out of their square ideology box. “All the liberals were in a panic over what they claimed was Ryan’s plan to eliminate benefits.”

No, Ryan proposed shredding means-testing for the vulnerable: cutting $100 billion per year for food stamps and cash assistance for needy families and the $300 billion budget for Medicaid, the health insurance program for the poor and disabled.

The Ryan Plan boiled down to the Republican fetish for cutting the top marginal income-tax rate for the superwealthy. Time for the GOP to step out of their square ideology box.

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By: Howwie http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/liberals-reject-conservatives-embrace-kristofs-welfare-argument/#comment-29885893 Howwie Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:54:40 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=828336#comment-29885893 green.goddess - BINGO! All the liberals were in a panic over what they claimed was Ryan's plan to eliminate benefits. His outline was exactly your proposal. green.goddess – BINGO! All the liberals were in a panic over what they claimed was Ryan’s plan to eliminate benefits. His outline was exactly your proposal.

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By: green.goddess http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/liberals-reject-conservatives-embrace-kristofs-welfare-argument/#comment-29885827 green.goddess Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:47:57 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=828336#comment-29885827 Why not propose ways to FIX benefit problems - in this case, phase out gradually instead of cutting benefits abruptly when people pass an income threshold. Like when your learning-disabled child starts mastering how to READ. Stagnant policies benefit from effective changes. Congress is in a battle about a small tax rate increase at the very top of the scale. But it seems utterly indifferent to the several thousand children who die each year from poverty. It's THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to step outside ideology and fix identified problems for the benefit of us all. Why not propose ways to FIX benefit problems – in this case, phase out gradually instead of cutting benefits abruptly when people pass an income threshold. Like when your learning-disabled child starts mastering how to READ. Stagnant policies benefit from effective changes.

Congress is in a battle about a small tax rate increase at the very top of the scale. But it seems utterly indifferent to the several thousand children who die each year from poverty. It’s THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to step outside ideology and fix identified problems for the benefit of us all.

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By: Howwie http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/liberals-reject-conservatives-embrace-kristofs-welfare-argument/#comment-29885760 Howwie Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:45:56 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=828336#comment-29885760 "courtesy extended as a tradition" See Budget and Accounting Act of 1921. ...and you seem to be having a problem again with the fact that I'm not a Republican. As for your class warfare garbage, spend your time trying to sell that red herring to someone who doesn't know better. “courtesy extended as a tradition” See Budget and Accounting Act of 1921. …and you seem to be having a problem again with the fact that I’m not a Republican. As for your class warfare garbage, spend your time trying to sell that red herring to someone who doesn’t know better.

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By: tmferretti http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/liberals-reject-conservatives-embrace-kristofs-welfare-argument/#comment-29885727 tmferretti Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:42:44 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=828336#comment-29885727 HOWWIE The Constitution says it is the sole responsibility of Congress to make laws and appropriate money, not the Presidents. His submittal of a budget is a courtesy extended as a tradition. His budget proposal has no legal effect. Congress has to approve it. Yes, the republicans have had dozens of spending proposals over the past few years; all designed to decimate middle class programs such as Social Security and Medicare and produce no jobs. These were House bills written by republicans with no chance of passage in the Senate. It's you republicans that want these massive spending cuts that will cost millions of jobs and hurt the middle class (especially the elderly), not the President. It's time you take ownership and quit blaming the President and the FED for doing the job the Constitution gave to you. HOWWIE

The Constitution says it is the sole responsibility of Congress to make laws and appropriate money, not the Presidents. His submittal of a budget is a courtesy extended as a tradition. His budget proposal has no legal effect. Congress has to approve it.

Yes, the republicans have had dozens of spending proposals over the past few years; all designed to decimate middle class programs such as Social Security and Medicare and produce no jobs. These were House bills written by republicans with no chance of passage in the Senate.

It’s you republicans that want these massive spending cuts that will cost millions of jobs and hurt the middle class (especially the elderly), not the President.

It’s time you take ownership and quit blaming the President and the FED for doing the job the Constitution gave to you.

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By: Howwie http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/liberals-reject-conservatives-embrace-kristofs-welfare-argument/#comment-29885591 Howwie Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:29:55 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=828336#comment-29885591 The Reps have come forward with dozens of spending cuts over the past four years. All rejected by Obama. I'm all for getting both side to do their jobs, because it's frankly disgusting that they're both failing so miserably. However, if we get down to true responsibility, it is legally Obama's job to submit an annual budget to congress for the entire federal government. He is required to put the initial plan together. The Reps have come forward with dozens of spending cuts over the past four years. All rejected by Obama. I’m all for getting both side to do their jobs, because it’s frankly disgusting that they’re both failing so miserably. However, if we get down to true responsibility, it is legally Obama’s job to submit an annual budget to congress for the entire federal government. He is required to put the initial plan together.

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By: Peikoviani http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/liberals-reject-conservatives-embrace-kristofs-welfare-argument/#comment-29885396 Peikoviani Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:20:57 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=828336#comment-29885396 By the standards of the Democratic Party, equal results can only happen in a prison. Assuming everyone takes turns as the new guy. It would improve the social life of some of you. By the standards of the Democratic Party, equal results can only happen in a prison. Assuming everyone takes turns as the new guy. It would improve the social life of some of you.

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By: Luddite http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/liberals-reject-conservatives-embrace-kristofs-welfare-argument/#comment-29885364 Luddite Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:18:36 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=828336#comment-29885364 "What about all of those tall good looking women who should date short ugly losers for the sake of the community?" Exactly! Is it possible to pick up Limbaugh on the AM talkie box in a bunker? “What about all of those tall good looking women who should date short ugly losers for the sake of the community?” Exactly! Is it possible to pick up Limbaugh on the AM talkie box in a bunker?

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