Obama: ‘I Won’t Compromise’ on Taxes

Obama won’t compromise on anything–he has a “king” syndrome.

Increased revenues have already been proposed. No matter how much additional taxation is proposed, this country will not be able to get its finances in order without cutting spending. We have the budget for a used Ford but we keep insisting on buying the new Range Rover.

Those tax cuts should have never been made, Bushie Jr ******* up royal (surprise, huh?).

I want to protect our country Mr. President, so I have some solutions for your talking points:
1. “We need a bipartisan approach” – Done, its called the fiscal cliff
2. “The Bush Tax Cuts only benefit the wealthy” – Done, they disappear January 1 for EVERYONE
3. “We need a balanced approach” – Done, the sequestration is gonna make a heck of a big dent in the deficit, something your plan doesn’t — by the way what is the projected deficit in your plan for years 1 through 4?
4. “We can’t have millionaires paying less than their Admins” – Make interest, dividends and capital gains taxable as ordinary income
5. “I won’t negotiate on entitlement programs” — Hey! We agree on something!! These are self-funding programs, if they are projected to go into the red, increase the tax rates for each of the programs.

There, now was that so difficult?

Interesting. Obama has finally stated that it’s ‘my way or the highway’. This has been his style for the past four years and its really why we’re in this situation. It’s clear to me that Obama has decided he wins if we go over this cliff. The rest of us lose…big time…but that’s not important to Obama. His ego is going to destroy us.

$3.6 trillion will be spent in 2013 on foreign aid. Here’s an idea. STOP GIVING AWAY OUR MONEY!!!
In less than 5 years our debt will be paid. This doesn’t require any tax increases or cuts in spending. And in just 3 short years after our debt is paid Social Security will have all its money back. Yes, it is just that simple.
Most of these countries receiving aid don’t like us anyway. We don’t need to keep paying other countries to not like us. Believe me when I say, they’ll dislike us just as much for free too.
It’s time for Democrats and Republicans to wake up and face facts, we’re broke. It’s time for the American people to take away Washington’s checkbook. Apparently they have the mentality of, “We can’t be broke, we still have checks.”

Tobey-the entire Federal Budget for 2012 was $3.8 trillion, I thing you are getting your trillions and billions mixed up. But you know what they say, “a million here, a million there, before long your talking real money”.

The cliff is probably no worse than any of the “solutions” we’ll get from this freakshow of a government we have so I say let roll.

“That’s one principle I won’t compromise on.”

Obama has had his way for one term. Combined with the debt left him and the debt that he has been president over, it is clear that he understands and cares not about debt.

He is a narcissistic, uneducated buffoon, surrounded by yes men and idiots who care more for their personal gain than our Republic.

It is coming to the point where the following quote will apply in real terms rather than just a quote to be read and forgotten.

“The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed – where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.”
2009 Judge Alex Kozinski

Well there you go! Just as I’ve been saying all along! Obama refuses to compromise! What a poor so-called leader.

“If we’re serious about reducing our deficit while still investing in things like Solyndra and A123 that are important to growing contributions from our union base – and if we’re serious about protecting capital cronies – then we’re also going to have to ask the wealthiest Americans to pay higher tax rates,”

Compromise is called for, only later on the cuts and the spending, not on the tax increase for the 2%. It is imperative that absolutely no compromise occurs on the taxes. That is essential because breaking the back of Norquist and the extremists who have managed to hang on to power and drag down the economy for the last two years (in order to defeat Obama but failed) is job #1. This is going to be good.

In the world of the “Haves” and the “Have-Nots,” Democrats have shifted from sympathy for the “Have-Nots” to genuine hatred for the “Haves.” They are a radical redistribution party, and to accomplish their goals, government will destroy the market-based economy they intend to loot.

So Obama is going to make 100% of the Americsn people suffer because he’s. not getting his way! That’s mature for someone who is supposed to be a leader!

Peikoviani, it is more a matter of self preservation than hatred, although emotions do run high. Achieving the tactical and fiscal goals of raising the taxes on the 2% (back to Clinton levels, mind you, not some communist takeover as radicals love to accuse Dems of) will weaken the power of those who held the country, the middle class, the debt limit, and the nation’s credit rating hostage to their paymasters’ grotesque greed. It will also preserve more margin for the later negotiations so the “Have-Nots” that you so compassionately refer to will indeed fair better in the outcome of all of this than they otherwise would.

I’m fine with going over the cliff because Obama’s supporters will get hammered. Forward!

Sure, let’s all go over the fiscal cliff. That ought to just about do the GOP/TTP in for good.

I’ll take EVERY American over the fiscal cliff if I don’t get what I want! Now that’s leadership. What a complete tool. Americans are already looking forward to 2016. God, what have the Obamazombies done? Pray for the future of the Republic. This clown is clueless when it comes to the art of the deal. No clue. Zero patriotism.

” This clown is clueless when it comes to the art of the deal. No clue. Zero patriotism.” The last time Boehner got 98% of what he wanted, our first downgrade, well this time no compromise on taxes, as said by the credit agency INCREASE TAXES, CUT SPENDING…and that is what is precisely going to happen. Pendulums swing back and forth, the Bush tax cuts are dangerous to the security of the United States, we’ve had higher rates and the country survived.

Sure, let’s all go over the fiscal cliff. That ought to just about do the GOP/TTP in for good.

Posted by: BikernAz12 | December 8, 2012, 10:56 am 10:56 am

But that’s what you want, so why are you whining? Forward!

@ EXPAT_LIVING_IN_PARADISE | DECEMBER 8, 2012, 10:28 AM
Yes, those were the good times – two unfunded wars and a housing bubble. The lucky few who “built-it” and bailed before the bubble burst, left just in time for their own “reasons”.

My husband and I helped build a start-up under Clinton era higher tax rates. After two decades of international business travel, we decided to retire in the United States. In our view, there is no place in the world like America.

The U.S.citizens who are left to clean up the worst financial slide since the Great Depression still include pioneers and entrepreneurs intent on building the “promise” of a future strong enough for new opportunities that open doors for us all.

If Republicans won’t compromise, they are labelled “right-wing extrmists”, yet Obama proudly announces that he won’t compromise…a hero of the Leftists.

Welfare spending in 2008 was S266.9 BILLION under BUSH——-
Welfare spending in 2011 was $495.6 BILLION under OBAMA—-
Next Question???

POSTED BY: WERALLSLAVES101 | DECEMBER 8, 2012, 11:09 AM 11:09 AM___________The next question your feeble mind may not be able to conceive is, “Why were so many people receiving assistance and unemployment benefits.” The answer is because the same Bush completely wrecked the economy. The country was losing 700,000+ job in a month. Bush was spending $4 billion every month looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, while Americans were starving. In the four years, Obama has consistently created more jobs than Bush did in eight years.

What a JOKE, the GOP under Bush had NO CLUE how to control spending, they doubled the deficit. Now, SUDDENLY, they have all the answers. Where were all these answers in 2004?

3.9% Obamacare tax on dividends……across the board! This guy is such a liar.

DAVEM SAID—-”In fact why isn’t Obama staying in Washington to work with the Congress like most leaders would??? ————-The part of Congress who are obstructing ( the House of Representatives ) have gone home already , they aren’t interested in any compromise . You need to educate yourself a little better . Less FOX would help “—————————WOW!!! BOEHNER IS THERE WAITING FOR THE CALL FROM OBAMA!!!!! HE HAS SAID SO REPEATEDLY—AND THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS——–LITTLE LESS MSNBC AND NBC—YOU KNOW THEY ARE BEING SUED BY GEORGE ZIMMERMAN FOR THE UNETHICAL WAY THEY HANDLE THE TRAYVON MARTIN SHOOTING—JUST SAYIN…

It is always funny when those who supposedly lived through the financial/economic crisis of 2008 don’t remember how we got there or that it would have long lasting consequences.
I guess those blinders are firmly in place.

If Republicans won’t compromise, they are labelled “right-wing extrmists”, yet Obama proudly announces that he won’t compromise…a hero of the Leftists.

POSTED BY: RD | DECEMBER 8, 2012, 11:13 AM 11:13 AM________________Don’t think for a second that Obama is a fool to fall for the gambit that Republicans are pulling. Remember when Mitt Romney said he would give additional $5 trilion tax cuts to the wealthy, while increasing the needless military spending to $2 trillion. When asked how he would pay for them without exploding the deficit, he said he would cut everything that benefits the 47% victims and close the tax loopholes for the wealthy. When asked specifically what loophole he would eliminate, he was mum. He said congress would decide on that, after he had been elected president. That is the same tactic that Boehner is using, thinking that he can fool the president. The last time he and the president were negotiating about the debt ceiling, Boehner came out of the negotiating room proclaiming that he had almost all he wanted. This time the president has the political capital to play hard ball with Boehner.

Uunder BUSH the deficit went DOWN four straight years-
2004-$568 Billion
2005-$494 Billion
2006-$434 Billion
2007-$342 Billion

THEN IN 2007 THE DEMOCRATS TOOK CONGRESS—OBAMA POTUS IN 2008—STRAIGHT UPWARDS EVERY SINGLE YEAR!!!

2008-$421 Billion
2009-$1850 Billion
2010-1500 Bilion
2011- 1300 Billion…

2012 1.6 TRILLION

OBAMA’S POLICIES ARE BANKRUPTING AMERICA

___”romneywilllose….. Where the heck are you getting your info? Show your sources. Inquiring, supposed feeble minds want to know.”

POSTED BY: KATHY M. | DECEMBER 8, 2012, 11:29 AM 11:29 AM___________Kathy, it appears you have not been keeping up with the news, but relishing with conjectures and suppositions. Bush was a nightmare and disaster to this nation. Downsize that if you can.

Under BUSH the deficit went DOWN four straight years-werallslaves101******************That’s an outright lie. The deficit never went down under Bush after 2001 (Clinton’s last budget). NEVER.

The Democrats should just stop lying because it’s easy for the rest of us to look up the truth. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics,

When G.W. Bush first started as President in January 2001, 137,778,000 Americans were employed. During Bush’s first 6 years, Congress was controlled by the Republicans. Just after the Democrats took over Congress in January 2007, employment was 146,028,000, a net gain of 8.25 million jobs in 6 years. With Bush as President and a Republican Congress, the US was adding 1.375 million jobs per year.

Employment started dropping just as soon as the Dems took over Congress, but when Bush left office 142,187,000 Americans still had a job. Bush added a net total of 4.4 million jobs in his 8 years, that’s a net GAIN of 550,000 jobs per year.

Here’s what has happened to employment since Obama took over.

January 2009, 142,200,000 (when Obama took over)
January 2010, 138,500,000
January 2011, 139,330,000 (Republicans take back the House)
December 2011, 140,790,000
October 2012, 143,384,000

Obama has created a total of 1,184,000 jobs in 4 YEARS. With a Republican Congress, Bush was creating more jobs every single YEAR than Obama did in 4 years. Even counting the recession, Bush created jobs at TWICE Obama’s average rate.

With 1 trillion dollar deficits, spending cuts at some point are a fact. Either Congress will institute them or our creditors will. No choice left. However, along with cuts to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the Department of Defense, the administration is asking the wealthy to pay an extra 4.9% of taxes on revenue over $250K. And look at the bats coming out of hell over it! The wealthy and their representatives in Congress are absolutely delighted about older people cutting their $1000 per month SS payment, or a 66 year old losing his Medicare insurance, or a factory worker for the F-35 being layed off, but ask the same wealthy GOPer to kick in an extra 5K from his income of 350K, and the metaphorical dogs of war are unleashed. Well not this time. They are going to have to sacrifice that new swimming pool they wanted, just like everyone else is being asked to sacrifice.

Under President George W. the rich got richer and the poor got poorer and more people began falling into poverty. The housing and financial crisis are to blame for a great deal of this. There is more spending for aid because there are more people needing it! It isn’t rocket science! Anyone who thinks it is perfectly okay for people without jobs or income to starve or go without decent medical care or live on the streets – you need to do some serious soul searching. We are supposed to be a Christian nation and that means we take care of each other. Maybe your life has gone well and you haven’t had a major crisis to deal with – that means you have been richly blessed, it DOES NOT mean you are smarter than everyone else and you deserve it! Stop being such greedy pigs and care about your fellow man. We are a better people – anyone who has been blessed with wealth should be more than willing to give back to their country. It should be a matter of honor and decency – not GREED AND GLUTTONY! Merry Christmas America and the world!

If Obama s views are correct, then where s my job?. (ie us 7.2 million++ of us) I was expecting a quick rebound with Rommey~

Unwillingness to compromise has been all we have seen for the first four years in office by the current President. Regardless of the party we all represent, be it Democratic or Republican, we should all agree that we are getting ready to fall further that we have seen or felt in 70-80 years. Ultimately we depend on our “Commander and Chief” to make decisions that best represent ALL Americans not just one demographic sect, one particular party, economic statue or whatever else. It is sad that a person would appear to be so arrogant and bone headed that they are unwilling to waiver in ideals that are surely to hinder our economy in such a manor that will make us appear weaker that we are already appearing to our peers Worldwide and will drive tens of thousands out of work with sequestration and other Federal cuts. It is already taking place all branches of Government are already looking at ways to make significant cuts to their already constrained budgets.

Posted by: green.goddess | December 8, 2012, 11:56 am 11:56 am

Naysayers also mocked economist Peter Schiff who warned of a looming subprime mortgage crisis as far back as 2004. They weren’t laughing after it happened, and they weren’t prepared for it either. The talking heads on CNBC thought it could never happen. Just like you.

The middle class, seniors, and the poor are three demographic groups who have suffered tremendously under Obama.

Under Obama, middle class incomes have dropped $4,300 per year and American net worth dropped 40 percent, the lowest level in two decades. Approximately 23.4 percent of families have no savings at all, up from 18.5 percent in 2009. The number of Americans receiving food stamps has increased from 31.9 million to 46.7 million, a 46 percent increase. 97.3 million Americans now qualify as low income and another 49.1 million are in poverty; together 146.4 million Americans or 48 percent of the population are low-income or in poverty, a record.

From an economic perspective, women have suffered tremendously under Obama. 780,000 more women are unemployed today than when Obama took office. The unemployment rate for adult women shifted up to 7.2 percent from 7.0 percent in October.

The news is even worse for African-Americans. The National Urban League stated that African-Americans and Hispanics have lost 30 YEARS of economic gains under Obama. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the biggest change in employment over the last month affected African-American workers. In September, the unemployment rate for African-Americans was 13.4 percent. In October, that number jumped to 14.3 percent, almost a full percentage point change.

The 3.5 million green jobs Obama promised us back in 2009 never materialized. Thousands of jobs have either been created overseas or they were moved overseas as multiple administration-supported, taxpayer-funded green companies failed. Tens of thousands of jobs have gone to China, India, Mexico, South Korea, Switzerland, and numerous other countries during Obama’s term.

From 2013-2022, Obamacare tax increases amount to approximately $15,796 for the average family of four. Recent actuarial studies have shown that Obamacare’s web of insurance mandates and regulations will dramatically increase the cost of individually-purchased insurance. Obama’s own advisors estimate increases from 11% to 85% by 2016 depending on the state. Obamacare also cuts Medicare by $716 billion between 2013 and 2022 in order to pay for part of the law’s trillions in new health-care spending. Obamacare will cut thousands of dollars in Medicare Advantage services for every senior enrolled in the program. Rationing is on its way.

Democrats failed to reverse deficit spending when they recently controlled Congress. Neither Obama nor Democrats have submitted a balanced budget during Obama’s term. The Democrat-controlled Senate failed to pass ANY budget, balanced or not, during Obama’s term. In other words, Obama has not operated on a budget of any kind his entire term, even when Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress.

By every measure, Obama’s disastrous record has hit the middle class, seniors, and the poor the hardest and will continue to do so as Obamacare regulations ramp up.

What a JOKE, the GOP under Bush had NO CLUE how to control spending, they doubled the deficit. Now, SUDDENLY, they have all the answers. Where were all these answers in 2004?

Posted by: arryandan | December 8, 2012, 11:26 am 11:26 am

Liberal Democrat Nancy Pelosi never objected to Bush’s deficit spending, except to criticize him that he didn’t spend nearly enough.

@NETSTARR77 Why don’t you ask the GOP where your job is. They cut taxes again and again promising economic growth that never materialized. Now they want to cut Social Security and Medicare before they eliminate their redundant defense spending, or reform Wall Street corruption, or eliminate pork earmarks. President Obama didn’t cause this economy, it was George W. Bush. Now get the hell out of the way and let him fix it. If all the rich Wall Street bailout fat-cats don’t like the tax hikes, i’ll gladly open the window for them to jump through!

I really do not care about laying blame for the past becuase I think both parties have a share for how we got here. What I want is the leaders of our coutry to have a plan for getting us out of this mess. We cannot continue to borrow 40% of what we spend. We cannot continue to receive more that we are willing to pay for and expect our kids to pay for our greedy choices. I agree that revenues (taxes) will need to increase and I know that spending will need to go down. The president seems only intent on raising taxes and has not stomach for cutting spending.. I want to see a ballanced approach by his own defintion and I have not seen anything even close yet.

This retiree can tell there’s not been much job creation for the 25-54 age group under Obama from all the bloggers who are always on here, and have been for years, and who are probably living in their parents’ basements (as I blog on a slow day here at my part time retirement job at the local airport)….;>) Life is good!

He shouldn’t compromise…and he won’t. I do not know how the President can be any more transparent on this topic…as he has been.

Posted by: arryandan | December 8, 2012, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

Pelosi took control of the House in 2007. When did she submit a balanced budget?

Posted by: ERIC | December 8, 2012, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

Don’t fret. Obamacare will save the economy.

Posted by: ERIC | December 8, 2012, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

Record debt, record poverty, and a 10% drop in middle class incomes are all great indicators that President Obama’s policies are working.

In 2013 things get real for the Obamabots.

The best is yet to come!

Forward!

Obama won’t extend the BUSH tax cuts for the 98%!!! These are BUSH tax cuts, not Democrat tax cuts!

There is something seriously wrong with this man.

There are rumors that there is literally a small army of people whose sole purpose is advancing the liberal message in comment sections and such silliness. That and you also have foreigners obsessed with American foreign policy with totally alien viewpoints.

Its do or die for liberals with this administration. Should be fun to watch.

Obama first said he was “Willing to Hammer out a Compromise Deal”, now he is saying he won’t compromise on any taxes or spending cuts!
Obama is simply the biggest liar that ever occupied the White House!

The GOP should just go ahead and pass a middle class tax cut Bill and agree to ending tax loopholes for the rich. And then if Obama won’t sign it and the economy tanks again, it will be totally Obama’s fault!!!

“There is something seriously wrong with this man.” – HinckleyBuzzard

Barry “Choom King” O’Bama was raised poorly, taught the wrong life lessons and is an idiot to boot.

“The GOP should just go ahead and pass a middle class tax cut Bill and agree to ending tax loopholes for the rich. And then if Obama won’t sign it and the economy tanks again, it will be totally Obama’s fault!!!” – Demos Against Bama

Yes but No.
The House should ignore President Anti-Lincoln and pass a responsible bill.
But because of the media when the economy tanks due to Obama the Repubs will be blamed and that’s all that really matters to Prezzie Barry O.

The only way the Bama Miester will sign anything is if he thinks he would be held responsible.

After his FEMA photo-op was over, Obama left all those storm victims in the mud and wreckage of their homes and no place to live! Where is the media coverage on this, or are they just covering up for Obama’s lack of leadership again!!
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Have a great lavish $4 million vacation in Hawaii Mr. President!!!

By every measure, Obama’s disastrous record has hit the middle class, seniors, and the poor the hardest ———————————–and so what did they go and do? They reelected him!………LOL! That’s because they don’t blame the President for our current economic troubles–and correctly so.

someone needs to ask the President why the same economic conditions which he used to justify extending all of the “Bush era” tax cuts last time do not apply now? Was he incorrect last time or this time? He should be reminded that the worker participation rate has not improved!

Obama’s “social justice” mysticism = Bush’s “faith-based” mysticsm = overspending. Meanwhile:

The wealthy want a profit on anything they do. They want to reinvest in production and a side-effect of production is to create jobs. Government interrupts this in two ways. (1) Taxes the wealthy so there are less funds to reinvest, (2) Creates conditions such that the wealthy will lend government the funds rather than be taxed. The wealthy buy municipal bonds, utility bonds, etc. They fund the infrastructure. Then government brags “you didn’t build that.” Propaganda.

Voters believe the wealthy are “hoarding” the funds, when in fact the funds are being used to grow the government. Unlike the competition of the marketplace, there is no limit to to growth of government, and no limit to what government demands.

I don’t get this debate about rich people paying or not paying their fair share. Or comments I read above like “they don’t have to have a new swimming pool”. I’m not going to argue one way or the other whether they already pay their fair share but comment on this issue from the pragmatic point of view. Obama insists on raising taxes not because he believes it’s going to improve anything he does as part of classic “divide and conquer”. As long as enough people believe that the rich are evil Obama is king. How anybody with the third grade education cannot be able to understand simple math like this. If new higher taxes are implemented rich Americans will pay additional $50 billion in taxes. This year deficit is over $1.1 trillion. $50 billion is a drop in a bucket and questionable on top of it. Obama assumes rich won’t change the way they invest money. They will which will result in lower revenue and less new jobs. If you think it’s a speculation take a look how it worked overseas. In 2010 – 2011 16000 Brits paid taxes on one or more million pound income. After taxes on the rich went into effect only 6000 did – many left the country others stopped investing shelving the money. So in addition to less new jobs created (for you libs, private investments not government create jobs) revenue collected from millionaires went down by 7 billion pounds. Why would anybody believe it’s going to be different here?

I pledge allegiance to Grover Norquist, of the United States of America, and to the wealthy for what they can buy, one Party under Boehner, indivisible, with greed and tax shelters for all.

Perfect example of why DC is broken when you have a wanna be president saying he wont compromise sets the tone for no work to get accomplished. Boehner should through out the Ryan budget and say no compromise and see how this wanna be will handle it.

When poor people start to hire workers and open companies, will I believe that Obama is correct!
But that will NEVER happen, because I never got a job from any poor people ! Have you???

“The poor don’t have anything to give but their cheap labor – and they’re already giving that.”
Posted by: Jim | December 8, 2012, 1:57 pm

We have more people on welfare today than ever before. Are there working poor? Sure. But there is also a huge portion of the population that is on the dole with no intention of getting a job -ever, and they’re having kids who have no intention of getting a job -ever.

@Jim please tell us how taking money from the private sector and giving the money to DC benefits anybody. The only way the poor can become middle class is by working not by government handouts.

But there is also a huge portion of the population that is on the dole with no intention of getting a job -ever————————————yeah, that 47% stuff worked just great for Mitt last election…..you guys should stick with it.

We have more people on welfare today than ever before.

Posted by: Dalmation | December 8, 2012, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

Only 4.1% of the population is on welfare. Over half of them are on it for less than 2 years. Less than 2% of the population is on welfare for more than 2 years.

20% of the population having 85% of the wealth is a far greater problem.

@CM I see you are another one of those less informed voters. The problem with Obama is he doesn’t want to cut entitlement spending. Here is a look at the 2013 budget so you can make educated comments in the future. In FY 2013, mandatory spending is budgeted at 60% of total Federal spending, and 2 1/2 times as much as the military budget. The mandatory budget is estimated to be $2.293 trillion, a new record. The mandatory budget was $2.252 trillion in FY 2012 and $2.073 trillion in FY 2011.

The largest mandatory spending programs were Social Security and Medicare, as follows:
•Social Security – $820 billion
• Medicare – $523 billion
• Medicaid – $283 billion
•TARP – $12 billion
•All other mandatory programs – $654 billion. These programs include Food Stamps, Unemployment Compensation, Child Nutrition and Tax Credits, Supplemental Security for the Disabled and Student Loans.
This spending is unsustainable even if you tax everybody 100%.

It is the Republicans being belligerent and acting against the wishes of the country.

Posted by: Jim | December 8, 2012, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

Nobody cares about the wishes of welfare queens bleeding this country dry. You’re not getting any more from me.

Obama doesn’t need you anymore. Your taxes are going up in January and your welfare benefits are getting cut. There’s nothing you’ll be able to do about it.

But at least your uterus is safe.

Forward!

“yeah, that 47% stuff worked just great for Mitt last election…..you guys should stick with it.”
Posted by: fox free | December 8, 2012, 2:10 pm

It just confirms that the truth is rarely popular.

Nobody cares about the wishes of welfare queens bleeding this country dry.

Posted by: Joe | December 8, 2012, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

You’re a paranoid fool.

Only 4.1% of the population is on welfare. Over half of them are on it for less than 2 years. Less than 2% of the population is on welfare for more than 2 years.

please tell us how taking money from the private sector and giving the money to DC benefits anybody————————-even if we told you again you wouldn’t listen. Check out economics 101. -getting away from Fox can work wonders.
Posted by: fox free | December 8, 2012, 2:16 pm

It’s not Economics 101, it’s Wealth-Redistribution 101. Obama’s the resident professor teaching that class.

Nobody cares about the wishes of welfare queens bleeding this country dry———–the electorate has decided that it’s the guys like Norquist who are really bleeding this country dry……and with very good reason.

“yeah, that 47% stuff worked just great for Mitt last election…..you guys should stick with it.”
Posted by: fox free | December 8, 2012, 2:10 pm

It just confirms that the truth is rarely popular.

Posted by: Dalmation | December 8, 2012, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

That 47% are ‘dependent’ and ‘victims’ was a lie.

“The only problem is — and this is initially going to seem like heresy from a progressive is — the truth is everybody needs to pay more taxes, not just the rich. And it’s a good start. But we’re not going to get out of this deficit problem unless we raise taxes across the board, to go back to what Bill Clinton had and his taxes. And if we don’t do that, the problem is the pressure is going to be on spending even more.” – Liberal Democrat Howard Dean

Posted by: Reality Check | December 8, 2012, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

Probably. When if the economy ever recovers from the Bush disaster we can take taxes back to where they were before his failed policies helped to bankrupt the country.

@ Jim please provide where higher taxes has ever helped a economy. We need to look no further than California the highest taxed state in the country now for that they passed a bill to tax themselves. Here is the latest report from them.

California State Controller John Chiang has announced that total state revenue for the month of November 2012 fell $806.8 million, or 10.8%, below budget.

Democrats thought they could hammer “the rich” by convincing voters to pass Proposition 30 to create the highest state income tax in the nation. But it now appears that high income earners have already “voted with their feet” by moving themselves and their businesses out of state, resulting in over $1 billion shortfall in corporate and income taxes last month and the beginning of a new financial crisis.

Obama – you haven’t “compromised” on #### that is worth mentioning. You’ll just hole up in your office and write an executive order. Not impressed. Again.

Posted by: Jim | December 8, 2012, 2:12 pm

You didn’t refute my statement. How many are on food stamps? 1 in 7! How many are living in Section 8 housing? How many are receiving federal assistance for everyday necessities -that’s at record highs these days. They’re tax-consumers, and the tax-payers can’t afford it.

Probably. When and if the economy ever recovers from the Bush disaster we can take taxes back to where they were before his failed policies helped to bankrupt the country.

Posted by: Jim | December 8, 2012, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

Exactly. It was the Republicans who lowered taxes so much that 47% don’t pay federal income tax.

Posted by: Jim | December 8, 2012, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

“The private sector is doing fine.” – President Barack Obama, June 8, 2012

@Jim the government DOES NOT create wealth but only steals it. Revenue is created through employment of private sector jobs not government jobs. When you are able to figure that out you might be able to understand why people want smaller government, less restrictions and lower taxes. Once again our economy is 70% consumer spending so I ask you again to provide us with one economist that thinks taking money out of the private sector and giving it to the government will create a vibrant economy.

“The private sector is doing fine.” – President Barack Obama, June 8, 2012

Posted by: Tim | December 8, 2012, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

The private sector has seen record profits under Obama.

That’s thievery—————————taxes are not theft. That’s fringe talk.

Do the rich “owe” you their money in the same way the prettiest girl “owes” you a date? By force?

The private sector has seen record profits under Obama.
Posted by: Chuck | December 8, 2012, 2:32 pm

That’s why even the liberal media hammered their beloved Obama for his ‘The private sector is fine’ remark? Even they couldn’t let that one go.

The public has every legal right to decide what tax rates are fair….and they think the tax breaks should end for the highest brackets.

Compromise; sure he’ll compromise…

Posted by: ertdfg | December 8, 2012, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

Obama ran specifically on the issue of increased taxes for the rich, and repeated his approach many, many times. The Democrats won the Senate, the Democrats won the national vote in the House.

The majority of people support a small increase in taxes on the wealthiest of us.

It is the Republicans being belligerent and acting against the wishes of the country.

When Germany and Russia vote to divide Poland, that’s a majority. But it’s wrong.

“The majority of people support a small increase in taxes on the wealthiest of us.”

40% support more taxes on the rich.

40% oppose more taxes on the rich.

20% support more taxes on EVERYONE.

That’s 60% for more taxes on the rich, and 60% AGAINST ONLY having more taxes on the rich.

So the majority OPPOSE your plan… see I can read the numbers too. And I can bend them the EXACT SAME WAY to my side… Figures don’t like, but liars figure…

So they have more votes?

Posted by: ertdfg | December 8, 2012, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

Obama ran specifically on the issue of increased taxes for the rich, and repeated his approach many, many times. The Democrats won the Senate, the Democrats won the national vote in the House.

The majority of people support a small increase in taxes on the wealthiest of us.

The Democrats win on every count.

It is the Republicans being belligerent – and acting against the wishes of the country.

Posted by: Truth | December 8, 2012, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

STOP STEALING MY TALKING POINTS!

“Fewer than half the Republicans polled favor continuing the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy.”

Posted by: Truth | December 8, 2012, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

90% of Americans love free beer that others pay for.

Posted by: Bob | December 8, 2012, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

I’m living off savings the next four years. Say bye-bye to at least $100K in federal income tax revenues. My effective tax rate will soon be negative. You’ll have to make up the difference. Don’t be belligerent and act against the wishes of the country when the IRS comes calling. Be extra generous with your tax dollars. Or just give up your benefits and live on less. Your sacrifice is for the common good. The country needs you.

Forward!

I’m living off savings the next four years. Say bye-bye to at least $100K in federal income tax revenues.

Posted by: Joe | December 8, 2012, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

Aren’t you special !

Posted by: Bob | December 8, 2012, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

I love the idea. Sounds like he’s going Galt. Good for him. I hope millions do the same. Your benefits will evaporate overnight.

Posted by: sarah | December 8, 2012, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

And you’re special too Sarah ! Just so special !

And you’re special too Sarah ! Just so special !

Posted by: Bob | December 8, 2012, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

Thanks Bob. That’s sweet. And remember, you can do amazing things with ramen noodles.

It really angers me that people refuse to work harder to support me. So belligerant. Why do they refuse to respect my wishes?

Tax increases which are 4x spending cuts is not what he promised.

Posted by: NMPete | December 8, 2012, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

I believe Obama decided this time in dealing with the Republican House he would start from a negotiating position with room to move rather than give away all the chips to begin with. Makes sense.

Obama is playing God and wants Gods position…when people voted for him they sold out GOD

The standard GOP policy? Republicans must choose between the pure Capitalism they barely remember and the backwoods Church they can never forget. Democrats must choose between the welfare state they mismanage and the police state it becomes.

Obama carried 51% of the 58.7% of voters who bothered to show up. That 29.9% plurality is typical. Even a landslide of support (60%) out of a record-breaking turnout (80%) elects a candidate with 48% approval. Less than half. The genius of the system is in its balance of power, because the President both guides and is governed-by the will of the Congress, and both are restricted by judicial review. ABC emails show that Democrats would like one-party rule to “finish the job,” when the true meaning of that demand is to end the Constitutional framework of our government.

You can’t say that voters couldn’t tell the difference between Romney and George Bush?

Currency inflation will be upon us————————–you’ve been saying that for 4 years, we’re still waiting…

GOP = tax cuts [especially for the wealthy] and deregulation. It’s pretty standard stuff. Mitt Romney completely conformed.

Obama is nothing more than a dictator – thanks a lot you people that voted for him. Your taxes are going to be raised also.

they still use all sorts of calculations to make their faith-based nonsense work. But it isn’t true—————————-alot like the way conservatives try and justify austerity, even though it’s utterly failed everywhere it’s been implemented.

You’ve seen the currency inflation: gold, gasoline and groceries———————–when trying to manufacture inflation right-wingers commonly cite volatile commodities like gas and food. The inflation index has not jumped up however.

When I show you your reflection——————————you haven’t shown us anything besides the same propaganda that the public already thoroughly rejected at the polls.

The Fed knows monetary expansion will not cause inflation when the economy is slow. Besides, a weaker dollar would help exports which helps create jobs. The Fed is more concerned about creating jobs than protecting the wealth of the wealthy.

–but that’s what our government does—————————it’s what private financial firms do to. there is no reason to introduce volatility to the calculations.

Only a fool would discount things like fuel and food when calculating inflation –but that’s what our government does to downplay their incompetence.

Posted by: Dalmation | December 8, 2012, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

Gas prices continue to go down. National average price per gallon is now at $3.35.

The big flaw in the left-wing ideology is, there are not enough rich people to pay for all the free stuff the liberals are demanding! So the country will go bankrupt, just like the former Soviet Union did!

there are not enough rich people to pay for all the free stuff the liberals are demanding! ————————————-let’s raise their taxes and see.

Change is quantitative and qualitative. Investment in heavy industry and R&D creates new product, like flatscreen TVs, then capitalist competition drives pricing from $10,000 to $900 bucks. Workers and consumers dream their lives away, smoking weed and talking about how somebody else should invent a flatscreen TV, because that would be really cool. Or how it’s fascism to give someone a drug test before hiring them to work at the new flatscreen TV factory.

Most rich people became rich because they did something of value, or because someone else did and wanted them to have the benefit. The capital continues to be reinvested in the economy. It’s amazing how you understand the life cycle of the mystic rainforest, but the production cycle that put coffee in your grocery store is unknown or considered slavery.

Psychopaths become leaders of one-party states and declare they represent the workers.

Well, I guess this is one thing Obama wasn’t lying about.

“I believe Obama decided this time in dealing with the Republican House he would start from a negotiating position with room to move rather than give away all the chips to begin with. Makes sense.

Posted by: Jesse | December 8, 2012, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm”
What I believe is that he really does not care about reducing the deficit, he will continue to expand spending and never really thought he would cut spening, and that we could easily add another $6+ trillion to the debt before he leaves office. If the choice is increased taxes with not spending cuts or going off the cliff, I would choose the cliff because it it the only way this President will ever be forced to reduce the deficit.

Obama . . . will continue to expand spending

Posted by: NMPete | December 8, 2012, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

Obama has not been expanding spending. The budget Obama submitted for 2013 decreases Bush’s deficit from 2009 by $300 billion.

I hate to tell you folks, but a 10% cut in spending isn’t a cliff. We need the cuts and increase in taxes to start getting our debt under control. B0 is an community organizer to the core, all he wants is more of other peoples money to spend.

workers did decide the President does represent them. it’s why the auto bailout was so popular.

all he wants is more of other peoples money to spend.————————-the money you owe in taxes isn’t yours….the IRS can explain it to you…

He won’t compromise on taxes, and that’s a good thing, but he won’t get his way on raising the debt ceiling which he coupled with raising the taxes on the rich. So, don’t hold your breath.

Workers and consumers dream their lives away————————–you demonize workers and consumers and then scratch your heads and wonder why you keep losing elections…

Well, well, what a fine MESS Congress is making AGAIN, the weird thing is America’s Majority voted for what they wanted and they wanted the good ideas of President Obama.

Congress, quit playing MICKEY MOUSE Games, tax the rich, do you not want to do this because it will hit your OWN POCKETS????????

Just do what the majority of the U.S. Citizens voted for…….it is the RIGHT THING TO DO!!!!!

Obama’s Free Stuff give away has a very real price! The end of America!
Obama won and America lost!

ARRY-10:01AM “an American making $300,000/yr, you get lower rates for $250,000 of that, and only pay the higher on $50,000. If you are MARRIED, and make $600,000, you pay the lower for $250,000, your WIFE/HUSBAND pays lower for $250,000, and you only pay the higher on $100,000 of that. GEE, what’s NOT fair about that?”
The numbers are higher taxes for an INDIVUAL making over $200,000 or COUPLE making $250k. While you are correct they will still get the lower rate on their first $200/250k of income you misunderstand the numbers. A couple making $600k would see an increase on $350k of their income.
As to what is fair, who beyond King Solomon can decide what is fair to others. Sen. Charles Schumer has said that for New Yorkers the threshold should be $500k because of the higher cost of living (due to taxes) in New York. Kind of reminds me of the ‘corn husker kickback’ needed to get Obamacare passed.

Why would seniors object to being forced out of Medicare and into inadequate but more expensive private insurance?

GOOD for you Mr. President, good for you!

He’s turned his back on every American who loves this country.

Posted by: electpatriots | December 8, 2012, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

Another idiotic extremist statement. This type of lunacy is a major source of problems in the country.

“He’s turned his back on every American who loves this country.”

Yes I agree, Obama only cares about his liberal Hollywood supporters, the Illegal Aliens that have stolen millions of our jobs and his Liberal base, including George Soros, his real boss!

Obama’s values are not American values!

“Why would seniors object to being forced out of Medicare and into inadequate but more expensive private insurance?” Posted by: GOP | December 8, 2012, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

Thats exactly what Obama has planed for seniors that are currently on Medicare! He robbed $716 billion from the program, fewer doctors and hospitals will be Medicare providers as a result!

so I have no doubt I will be able to find a way to write off any extra taxes I have to pay.—-Well isn’t someone “speshul” ? Why don’t you and the other lowbrows quit worrying about how to scam and and connive your way out of paying what you legally owe ? Why don’t you just pay your due taxes for your income level , or alternatively just pack up and move somewhere else ? This country was built on taxation ; the TVA , Hoover Dam , the interstate highway system , etc. etc. = all built largely by the US taxpayers . But all you can think about is “writing off ” another deduction , while you complain about the US debt ( built up mostly between 2001-2009 mainly by “conservative” politicians that YOU almost certainly voted for , or at least did not vote against ) like a whiny child . But you don’t want to contribute any extra when you have some personal economic success . That’s a big problem in the USA right now , lots of “patriots ” who wouldn’t know a real patriotic act if it bit them .

Some of you think that a random committee of stoners from the mailroom can replace Steve Jobs——————————————–but on the other hand let’s put a guy like Steve Jobs on a deserted island and see if he can get rich

He won’t have Jon Kest paying him the activist rate, but he’ll survive the island.

“We don’t reach Math, we teach Johnny.”

Well, Johnny grew up to be a collectivist moron who can’t do the math.

the GOP…….never before have so may worked so hard to protect the tax breaks of so few

Gesh People. 2% of wealth tax is not much comparing to Canada or Europe. Canada 39-42% of tax for wealthy people and European wealthy paid 30-49% but everyone received healthcare benefit. Want source type in Google “Compare Canada or Europe to US Tax rate. then you see who smarter one in government budgeting. If some people still think US house is smart one. You have been hallucinate with drugs (methane, cocaine, MJ etc bought to you by Mexican cartel who love loyal customers of GOP/TB and believers).

Hey WackyWorld – Speaking of budgeting, when is the Dem Senate gonna pass one???

The Republican proposal was a joke. They could barely specify $300 billion in savings. The President’s proposal will save $1.6 trillion over the next ten years.

“So many worked.” We only wish it were “so many.” 40% of those unemployed today have been unemployed for 27+ weeks. 350,000 just dropped out of the work force and were beamed up to another planet. 73% of all 847,000 jobs created these past 5 months have been public sector jobs. This Prez has not talked about jobs in months. So, in order to divert attention from the one subject which will truly grow the economy, he is talking about taxes….which will run the govt for 8 days/month. Wow. Impressive. Mr. Prez, after those 8 days expire each month, what’s the plan for the remaining 3 weeks/month?

This Prez has not talked about jobs in months. So, in order to divert attention from the one subject which will truly grow the economy

Posted by: choppyseas | December 8, 2012, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm

You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. The President just put forward a series of jobs proposals.

“Again your ignorance is showing.”
Posted by: Dave | December 8, 2012, 9:31 pm

“Households claimed they had 122,000 fewer jobs in November, and also showed 350,000 people dropped out of the labor force.” CNNMoneyDecember 7, 2012

Posted by: Harry | December 8, 2012, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

The labor force stats routinely go up by several hundred thousand one month, and then down the next month. It happens month after month, up and down like a yo yo.

The figures are available at the Bureau of Labor Statistics site.

LOL. More job proposals.

Posted by: choppyseas | December 8, 2012, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

Yes, and you were poorly informed enough to say he hadn’t addressed jobs “in months”.

“The labor force dropped by 350,000 in one month.” ABC News Dec. 7, 2012

Posted by: Harry | December 8, 2012, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm

The labor force stats routinely go up by several hundred thousand one month, and then down the next month. It happens month after month, up and down like a yo yo.

The figures are available at the Bureau of Labor Statistics site.

So tell me, did the labor force grow or shrink in November?

Posted by: Harry | December 8, 2012, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm

If you don’t know pal, you’ve even more problems than reading comprehension.

Perhaps you two might learn something. Here’s the record for the past months .

May – up 700,000
June – up 163,000
July – down 150,000
August – down 400,000
Sept – up 400,000
Oct – up 600,000
Nov – down 300,000

What’s interesting is that the average labor force growth from 2001-2009 (Bush) was 123,000 per month and the average growth from 2009-2012 (Obama) is 23,000 per month.

Posted by: Harry | December 8, 2012, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

You ever hear of the Bush economic crisis? 8.5 million jobs lost from February of 2008 through February of 2010.

Since then 5.5 million jobs crested under the Obama administration.

Like a foreign type of rodent, “class warfare” was introduced to America in the 19th Century and has flourished here, destroying the local environment. The ideas work like this: it’s okay to vandalize if all property is theft – if history demands violence – if reality speaks to us through history – if reality is unknowable and subjective… and these ideas are utter garbage, a halfwitted mysticism that does not speak its real name. Arguments about tax policy are merely a front in the class war that hates people who invested in compaies that gave you a job, merely for being people who could afford to invest. The hatred is because these capitalists interfere with any government “production for use” economy your politics demands.

Spare us your blathering propaganda and opportunistic infection. You hate those that have, because you have, and are, nothing. You claim knowledge the same way the mystic claims knowledge, because you exist on a different level than the others, without contradiction. Your economics is nonsense, your ethics are nonsense, your reality is nonsense, and you must resort to violence because you are, at heart, a barbarian.

Your economics is nonsense———————-since 1980 the economy has doubled in size, but corrected for inflation Americans’ wages have barely increased. So where did all that money go?

Do tell us.

Class warfare also worked for the Bolsheviks….for a while at least…up until the people figured out that the decision makers were enriching only themselves.

cut the babble and tell us where all the money went

POSTED BY: RANDY | DECEMBER 9, 2012, 1:35 AM 1:35 AM who was in charge during those years, HINT: DEMOCRATS

POSTED BY: FOX FREE | DECEMBER 8, 2012, 8:53 PM 8:53 PM 1.6 Trillion over 10 years, that make about 1/10 a years in savings , but what he forgot to tell you that he is spending more than a 10X a year to make this happen.

Ah! The evil rich! Got it!

strawman again……you don’t have to think someone is evil to raise their taxes.

FOX FREE, you remind people of the immortal jellyfish, the Turritopsis nutricula, because it regenerates when traumatized, it never evolved a brain, and it feeds through its anus.

Look around to see where Classical Economics is being taught. You could be something of a higher order in another billion years.

We are trying to save money that would otherwise add to the debt….save money, owe money……read how economists talk about the plans…get away from Fox

Orwellian language makes it more difficult to speak to the revolutionary imbecile. For example, if we had private property rights, our voluntary gift to those in need would be a charitable contribution. In the world of “1984″ we have no underlying right to our own property, we are merely stewards of the community, and so we can’t be making a voluntary gift. We are merely “giving back,” i.e., the property was always owned by another and we are the ineffectual drones who must return it. Every conversation on this website is polluted with MSM terminology, and it helps the revolutionary imbecile feel that he thinks. Fashionable conformity.

It’s easier to fool some people than it is to try and convince them that they’ve been fooled. And then there are those who just refuse to admit it.

The Republicans’ numbers don’t work, they never did and that’s why our numbers look so good. We won the White House , two seats in the Senate and several House seats, and if the Republicans bring on another recession we’ll get more seats in two years.

“and any public policy that cripples the strong as if that also raises the weak”

-more whining
*yawn*

Is that your idea of a fancy insult?……LOL!
———————————————————–

Why, yes, Gomer, it was. Live with it.

An example of the violence your kind must use, because you have nothing else.

Yet another lavish Obama Christmas vacation! When was the last time you took a Lavish $4 million dollar vacation??? I bet all those jobless Americans are just cheering for Obama as he has fun in the sun while they eat crow for the holidays!!!
Americans were warned, Obama does not care about your jobs or you at all. Once he tricked you into voting for him, he’s right back to doing NOTHING for the country, only himself! Four more years of the same failed policies and blaming everyone but himself. What a coward this man really is!!!

Yet another lavish Obama Christmas vacation!

Posted by: Democrats Against Obama | December 9, 2012, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

The extreme hypocrisy of the Republican right. A new set of rules for President Obama.

Don, you yawn because you don’t get enough oxygen. And you post as me because who wants to be you?

Nor on his squanderous spending that accomplishes NOTHING!

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | December 9, 2012, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Accomplishes ‘NOTHING’? You’re not believable Rick

King Obama has SPOKEN…the reps need to say we wont compromise on spending…cut a trillion now or you will get tax increase…all of them…

A large majority of Americans support the increase on taxes on the wealthy.

Posted by: Fran | December 9, 2012, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

Well of course they do. These freeloaders receive far more in benefits than they pay in taxes (you’re also in that group), so they naturally are stingy with their own money. Everyone needs to have skin in the game. Liberal Democrats Barack Obama, Howard Dean, and Nancy Pelosi all agree.

“Everybody is going to have to give. Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game.”- President Barack Obama

“The only problem is — and this is initially going to seem like heresy from a progressive is — the truth is everybody needs to pay more taxes, not just the rich. And it’s a good start. But we’re not going to get out of this deficit problem unless we raise taxes across the board, to go back to what Bill Clinton had and his taxes. And if we don’t do that, the problem is the pressure is going to be on spending even more.” – Liberal Democrat Howard Dean

“It is clear we must enter an era of austerity; to reduce the deficit through shared sacrifice.” – House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi

So reach deep in your pockets and be generous, Fran. Hope and Change isn’t cheap.

Forward!

Fran, Half the people don’t even pay taxes. What do they care? The high tax party keeps making sure they leverage that by turning them against those whom do and some of those against the rest. The class warfare has been very effective. Of teh jobs created over the past 5 months, 75% were government jobs. It doesn’t create revenue, but it does eat it up meaning, we are going to need more spending to feed the pig of a government we have that keeps fattening itself off taxes. It doesn’t create revenue, but it does destroy it. The trend of spending means there will never be enough taxes confiscated from the people to pay for the government’s insatiable desire to waste money. Now the government’s main business is putting more people dependent on government requiring more spending, taxes, debt, and inflation, while increase the size of the bureaucracy that enables it. That is a death spiral of unhinged wealth redistribution. The US is no longer a business friendly nation by design and will not be for a long time. It may never recover. If we don’t stop the spending increases, we are only insuring the demise of the nation and that too is being done by design. The whole nation will be like Detroit in just years from now. We’ll tax ourselves out of existence. Bronco ‘Bama said he was going to destroy the coal industry and put all those people out of jobs by using taxes as a weapon against those businesses. The democrats aren’t satisfied with stopping there. The Obamacare scam taxes are going to be in place next year too! Taxes, taxes, taxes. Many more businesses will be leaving and more and more people will be out of work and those left will be punished with higher and higher taxes, until they are forced to leave as well. Hey, on the bright side though, the democrats will probably have single party rule at that point! So, you got that going for you.

GALLUP:

The U.S. Payroll to Population employment rate (P2P), as measured by Gallup, was 43.7% for the month of November, down from 45.7% in October. This is the largest month-over-month decline in P2P since Gallup began tracking it in January 2010.

Gallup’s Payroll to Population metric is an estimate of the percentage of the U.S. adult population aged 18 and older who are employed full time by an employer for at least 30 hours per week. P2P is not seasonally adjusted.

November’s P2P decline likely results from workers becoming unemployed or dropping out of the workforce altogether. Gallup’s U.S. unemployment rate increased in November to 7.8%, while the number of people active in the workforce — either working or not working but actively seeking employment — declined more than a full percentage point to 67.2%. The size of the workforce is also down compared with November 2011, when it was 67.7%.

Traditional unemployment rates are based on the workforce, not the total U.S. adult population, so people dropping out of the workforce can actually mask a declining employment situation. Payroll to Population, on the other hand, is based on the total population, and therefore gives a more accurate representation of the job climate. November’s reading demonstrates how a shrinking workforce and rising unemployment can be a double whammy. The two-point P2P decline paints a more negative picture — but also a more accurate one — than does the 0.8-point increase in Gallup’s U.S. unemployment rate.

Posted by: stats | December 9, 2012, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

2016. LOL! 87% of statistics are BS.

Fran, You pay no taxes, but want to?

Fran, Half the people don’t even pay taxes.

Posted by: TexBork_2012 | December 9, 2012, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

Sure they do. They pay payroll taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, tobacco and alcohol taxes, state and local taxes, etc.

It was the Republican Congress and the Republican president who lowered income taxes. If you want to blame someone for the people not paying income taxes, it would be the Republicans.

President Obama is driving the country off of a cliff in his attempt to try run the Republicans over!

Fran, Why do you not give your money to the government even though you desire to?

Fran, Do you want to pay more in taxes? Yes or No?

Fran, Then it is your decision. You choose to pay more or not. You said you don’t pay any and you blamed someone else for your actions. I won’t blame someone else for your decision. Only you.

Here are the facts again for you. It was the Republican Congress and the Republican Bush who reduced taxes for the ‘freeloaders’ as you call them. You’re alway whining about the ones who aren’t required to pay federal income taxes

You can blame that on the Republicans.

Fran, I especially blame the ones who believed it was wrong, but did it anyway. Those people are hypocrites and performed the actions they supposedly believed were wrong in their hearts and minds and that person is less trustworthy than those whom believed it was the correct thing to do. If you believed it was wrong to pay no taxes and then knowingly didn’t are disingenuous. For you to say you don’t pay taxes, but you could have and then blame your actions on others is disingenuous. You blame them for your behavior? BS. They didn’t force you into it. You chose to do it. You are responsible for your behavior, not they. The notion that republicans forced you not to give more money to your government is like blaming republicans for you owning a gun or driving an SUV or owning a large home or flying on a large corporate jet alone and keeping the limo running at all times in case you need it. Why would you do that? Because the republicans allowed it?

Posted by: Bill | December 9, 2012, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

It wasn’t me who lowered the tax rate on the ‘freeloaders’ you whine so much about. It was the Republican Congress and the Republican president. And it was another massive failure for them.

You and the republicans together are to blame then

Posted by: TexBork_2012 | December 9, 2012, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm

This blog is discussing tax POLICY (a major fail for the Republican party), but on a personal level . . . next time I’m going to use Swiss bank accounts and Cayman Island shell companies and tax dodges – like the Republican Christian hero Mitt Romney.

Fran, Changing the subject to Swiss and Cayman stuff? Why? Democrats have them too. Here’s the deal. You say the republicans created a policy that failed and you chose to participate in it as though it were a mandate. It was your choice. Nobody makes you not give money to the government. That comes through personal effort. Like the effort you’ve put into participating in taking down the nation by claiming to take advantage of the situation. You said that you pay no taxes and that you think that was wrong and that taxes should be raised, yet you choose not to “walk the talk”. Fine. That’s still your decision. You said the republicans were wrong, yet decided to adopt their principles as part of your life. How convenient. Must be nice to be comfortable with that. I still don’t buy the whole “I knew it was wrong, but I chose to do it anyway, but it’s not my fault” thing. That’s all you Fran.

The election is over. Nobody cares sbout Bain anymore except for the loons.

Fran, You said you don’t pay taxes because of the republicans and that it’s wrong Correct?

Fran, You said YOU don’t pay taxes and you blame the republicans for it. It actually takes an effort to do that as you know. You are taking advantage of that with which you claim is wrong. If the republicans created an opportunity to do the wrong thing and you chose to do it, then you helped them cause the problem. Sure, they created the opportunity, but YOU took advantage of it knowing it was wrong. You knew it was wrong, but you did it anyway and blamed what you did on them. I get it. The republicans created the opportunity and you used it for your own selfish advantage and blame them for your actions.

Obama despised the Bush tax cuts so much he renewed them without mofification when Congress was controlled by Democrats. The media was silent.

Fran, “Well, it was the Republicans who instituted that tax policy.” adn one you intentionally took advantage of knowing it was wrong, but used it for your own selfish gain contributing that the problem. Congratulations and what a great excuse that really reflects credit upon yourself for your participation!

Fran was perfectly fine with Obama renewing the Bush tax cuts.

Posted by: Bill | December 9, 2012, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm

Why shouldn’t she be? It was a really bad idea to raise taxes across the board while the economy was still in the early stages of recover from the Bush economic disaster.

Fran, Still, even though, “it was the Republicans who instituted that tax policy” you took advantage of it. You pay no taxes. You blame them for you not paying anything. You could, but choose not to. You were instrumental in participating that which you claim is a failure. I still paid taxes in spite of the “republicans”. You didn’t. I didn’t take the advantage of what you claimed damaged the nation. You did. I did do what you claim was responsible by paying taxes. One of us contributed to the problem by not paying taxes and one of us didn’t. One of us actually did what they believed was wrong and one of us didn’t. One of us blames what we did on others and one of us doesn’t.

For instance I’ve never said anything ridiculous in a post–except the part about Honey Boo Boo.

Fran, Come on… You say, “You were duped by one of the sleaze bags on your side.” If they agree with me, then what’s the point. People whom wouldn’t agree would make the effort though. Don’t worry, there’s ways of figuring out through IPs whom did it.

Posted by: TexBork_2012 | December 10, 2012, 12:19 am 12:19 am

You’ve got to read more carefully. It’s abundantly clear below, what I’m talking about.
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” I’m not pretending, yet it is documented that you posted, “Republican policies are the reason why I pay no taxes. I’ve opposed Republican policies. I insist on paying higher taxes…”

Posted by: Fran | December 9, 2012, 7:56 pm

Never posted anything of the sort. That’s another phony post by one of the right wingers on here, scooping my name in a dim-witted fashion. You were duped by one of the sleaze bags on your side.

Now back to the real issue . . .

It was the Republican Congress and the Republican President Bush who lowered taxes on all the “freeloaders” you right wingers whine about. You’re always whining about how they don’t pay federal income taxes.

Well, it was the Republicans who instituted that tax policy.

“It was the Republican Congress and the Republican President Bush who lowered taxes on all the “freeloaders” you right wingers whine about. You’re always whining about how they don’t pay federal income taxes.

Well, it was the Republicans who instituted that tax policy.” – Fran

Then why don’t the Demos rectify the situation and fix the “mistake” the Repubs made?