Sen. Heidi Heitkamp: Reported Obama Gun Proposals ‘Way in Extreme’

This woman is a Tea Partyer in Dem clothing! I have been trying to understand the fascination that Liberals have had with her being elected. She supports “Fracking” and now thinks a conversation on banning high round magazines and drums, closing the gunshow loophole, which would prevent the “dangerously mentally ill” from purchasing weapons without background checks is “too extreme”! Recall her!

Its time the USA took full responsibility for the Deaths caused By changing the Laws to control the purchase and ownership of the tools of death that are causing the loss of lives in the malls and schools, California is taking a positive step In removing Assault rifles and multi shot Guns from the public why do we need a gun or rifle with more than 6 shots are we that poorly trained that we need to mow the lawn with these tools of murder

A person can be considered mentally stable and well one day and without warning can go beserk for a split second the next. We have no real test to determine if a person can lose his ability to cope until he/she has demonstrated that until it is too late. In the meantime, why does everyone need a gun at the end of their hand to react in a way that is totally out of character for that person. Prisions are full of one time offenders who have done the imaginable and many would not be there if a gun had not brought them “instant gratification”. What is the chemistry between a gun and the owner. Do they feel less in power without one? All of those reading this post who have saved a life, including your own or a member of your family (no officers of the law, please) let us know, and then we can compare to the deaths and injuries of innocent people as a result of someone with a gun. Do we know the number of prisioners who are there because of gun violence. We need statistics to weigh the facts.

The U.S. has the most gun ownership and least regulations. The U.S. has the most gun violence and deaths from guns. After a 1996 massacre, Australia adopted a strict gun control policy, which was tightened even further after a 2002 shooting. There hasn’t been a mass shooting in Australia since 1996, and gun-related crime and suicide declined dramatically: firearm homicides, for example, dropped by 59% between 1996 and 2006. Countries that have strict gun regulation don’t have the gun violence we do. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out we need gun regulation.

Thank god our forefathers had the insight and intelligence to give us the Second Amendment.

She is completely out of touch with reality if she thinks republicans are gonna support health care for the mentally ill in this country. This will never happen.

Strict gun controls are required on a federal level. I do not support the NRA MAFIA organization…but this woman is obviously a A member. NRA is the organization of DEATH and EVIL.

Save our children and push through strict gun controls in this country.

More guns = more violence and more blood.

Forefathers made mistakes too. Why do people refer to forefathers as Gods or something??? Please! Forefathers was back in the day when gun slingers and cowboys were killing everyone and anyone. Aren’t we a modern developed country or NOT?

2nd amendment should also include a section where innocent people can be protected from idiots that own guns also. The right to have safe streets, safe schools, safe gun free cities, towns and public places. The right to walk without threat all the time.

NRA wants everyone to walk around with a gun because more guns equals more sales, equals more money. NRA does not respect life or GOD. NRA is equal to the DEMONS of HELL. NRA = destruction of society.

Do any of you, that are for gun control, actually do any REAL RESEARCH into crime stats? Apparently NOT from you comments. Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the nation. Allow, at this time anyway, no concealed carry of firearms, and had 532 Murders last year. Almost 3000 people shot…by CRIMINALS! The entire City of Chicago is a Gun Free Zone and the criminals love it. They know there is no defense available by Legal Law Abiding Citizens, so the criminals do as they please. Mayor Rahm even went so far as to ask the Gangs to take it to the alley ways and stay off the main streets with the violence!!! Now that is great protection for law abiding citizens. Ask the citizens of Chicago how gun control is working for them. Or maybe D.C….the same question…And for California…they firearms purchases are up about 60% over 2011…and they are also safer…RESEARCH folks…not just reading the liberal media…

But…I will ask one simple question of you that believe gun bans work…Post one law that can be passed by the Obama Administration that will keep Criminals from committing crimes???? Criminals will always find a way…so tell me…how do you stop criminals without infringing on RIGHTS of the Legal Law Abiding Citizen that have been affirmed by the SCOTUS??? I guess you also realize that the 7th Circuit has thrown out Chicago’s gun ban and given them 180 days to put Concealed Carry in place or appeal to the SCOTUS!!!

If someone would actually do a little research, and not just believe what you read, you would know that!!!!

Posted by: Marshall | January 6, 2013, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

Marshall, good post but you’re trying to reason with people who are driven by emotion instead of logic. These are mostly low information people who have no ideas how the current gun laws work or are supposed to work. They get their marching orders from the MSM and other far left wing outlets that take advantage of their ignorance. We’re talking about the people that were either so greedy or so ignorant that they voted for Obama a 2nd time. There is no reasoning with the irrational.

““Let’s start addressing the problem. And to me, one of the issues that I think comes, screams out of this is the issue of mental health and the care for the mentally ill in our country, especially the dangerously mentally ill,” she said. ”

While agree with this my question becomes; How do you define this and who determines this? The Aurora shooter was in a Doctoral program. So, what would have defined him as mentally ill and who would have made that determination?

One other little thing before I load up with my Girlfriend, Niece and Nephew and head for the range for more practice and training…And I am Ex Military with a LOT of Training…

The NRA helps protect our 2nd Amendment RIGHT! Read the “RIGHT” part as affirmed by the SCOTUS. So…how many of you that believe our 2nd Amendment Right should be dissolved is willing to give up your 1st Amendment Right? I don’t like what a lot of people and groups say, but I will still stand and fight to protect their right to do so. It seems our Forefathers had a lot more intelligence than many in our current time. Have any of you gun banners ever stopped to think why our American Soil has never been attacked in force by any other nation??!! It is because we don’t just have our Armed Forces…we have an Armed Nation of people willing to fight for our RIGHTS…not selectively…but totally! So why many of you cry about wanting to take our guns, you need to also be thanking these gun owners for helping secure our FREE NATION!!!

Where were the gun owners when these kids needed their lives saved??? Gun owners = joke = wimps with little weewees with big trucks.

Owning guns does not protect anyone. You have more chances of winning a loto than the save yourself with a gun.

find the results of past govts that banned guns and you will see that shortly thereafter the govt started murdering the civilians

Where were the gun owners when these kids needed their lives saved???

Posted by: Cary | January 6, 2013, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm

Um, Cary I hate to tell you this but the law abiding gun owners were abiding the law. What part of “gun free zone” do you not understand? Why would you expect law abiding gun owners to be there to save the kids? The federal government has already made it a crime to carry a gun onto school property.

Its your liberal laws (like making places gun free zones) that are killing people. How many of these mass murders have taken place in gun free zones? (Hint, almost every single one of them).

And now you want to take away people’s right to defend themselves in their own home? If you don’t want a gun, don’t buy one but who the hell are you to tell others what they can and can’t own.

Gotta love liberals. They are the first to say “tell the government to stay out of my bedroom” and are also the first to tell us what we can and can’t own.

Far more deaths occur from drunk driving but georgetown liberals love their drinks it is part of their culture.

So when biden talks about saving lives you don’t hear him focusing on drinking.

Gun control when we are fighting a war is a joke. Taliban has in conjunction with pakistani army got their hands on huge stockpiles of guns and weapons in pakistan which have then flowed to mexico and then to the u.s Same thing with war in libya.

How can you have gun control with no border security when a major drug war is going on our southern border and u.s government involved in fast and furious.

NRA has 54 percent approval rating and yet biden talks with bloomberg to go around nra.

A church killer was stopped by a concealed carry law abiding citizen. A mall killer was stopped by concealed carry killer.

VIrginia tech killer would have been stopped at the beginning if it wasn’t a gun free zone as a professor with military experience was abiding the law and not allowed to have a gun to confront the killer.

But joe scarborough and msnbc have it as a mission to target the nra and promote their liberal agenda.

32 lives could have been saved at virginia tech if that professor who charged at the gunman was allowed to have had a concealed carry permit.

But biden keeps up with the stupidity of gun free zones which tells the killer he won’t be confronted and taken in which is their worst nightmare.

Second lanza saw the cops after 10 minutes he killed himself. His worst fear would be to be taken in.

Stop not allowing law abiding citizens to protect our children. Gun free zones only help the killer.

The constitution does not define arms. When I was in Vietnam, I was an adequate marksman, but not great. However, I had a great arm, and loved the M26 grenade. Because I was able to pull the pin, count down a throw it so that it would explode in mid-air, I was nicknamed “Air-burst”. I want to protect my family and property with hand grenades but the NRA will not support me, and therefore they do not support the 2nd amendment. I have a friend who liked firing L.A.W.’s into hedge row bunkers. He wants to protect his home from the noisy, rowdy kids that live across the street, and wear “hoodies”, but he cannot purchase a L.A.W. What if he thinks that those kids get loud, “if he. . . reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself”, he feels that he is legally entitled to fire a L.A.W. into their house. Based upon the N.R.A. logic he would be entitled to do it under their definition of the 2nd Amendment. (If you do not have sense of sardonic irony, please disregard this statement.)

Probably won’t see this story on this site – “A Georgia mother shot (at) an ex-convict six times to protect her and her children after he apparently forced his way into the family’s home.” Source: Fox news

6 shots, and she hit the criminal 5 times. Now THAT’S gun control !!

Sorry to disappoint so many liberals here, but gun crimes/violence have actually been on the decline. There are more murders with hammers than there are with rifles annually.

There are degrees of mental illness. To deny someone with a mild version of something the constitutional right to defend oneself is not right. Not everyone with a mental illness is a mass-murdering psychopath, and this is something that also needs to be understood.

In addition it is high time the engineers in this country developed an alternative non-lethal, long-range method of self-defense so we can finally retire guns. But until that is done, we still need them. Police do not come instantly and by the time they come, you or your loved ones could be dead.

Hopefully Priscilla Goodbody will not censor this post, too. Heitkamp has her poop in a group. Glad I voted for her.

In fact, Ms. Heitkamp might as well have been straightforward about her beliefs and/or position and stated plainly that she feels those children’s lives were of little or no value in her eyes when compared to private ownership of assault weapons.

“But at the same time, many of those folks — and not to speak to the senator’s position — but many of those folks have also slashed funding for mental health care for mental illness,” he said.”……………… While this Statement is true.. we seem to have and issue wanting to lock these people up in the first place. Too many nut jobs on the streets, and we don’t want to take their rights away to get them off.

RAINBOWS-END: “In fact, Ms. Heitkamp might as well have been straightforward about her beliefs and/or position and stated plainly that she feels those children’s lives were of little or no value in her eyes when compared to private ownership of assault weapons.” – - – EXACTLY For Ideological extremists like Heitkamp those dead children are nothing more than the collateral damage and exceptable losses necessary to blindly protect the profits of the gun-sports industry and the fun of a relative few people.

As the average American IQ goes down, the gun sales go up.

Extreme is allowing people to continue to own assault weapons and ammo. Extreme is insisting your right to own assault weapons to shoot at targets is more important than saving lives by banning private ownership of assault weapons. Ms. Heitkamp is extreme. If there is any integrity left in this nation, she should be kicked out when she comes up for re-election.

Posted by: rainbows-end | January 6, 2013, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
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Extreme is constantly punishing the law-abiding citizen because we never do what we should do with people who Steal and Murder. We worry more about the rights of Nut Jobs and Criminals than we do those that don’t break the law. Take a look at what the average sentence for someone who uses a weapon in the commission of a crime in this country. Also, take a look at the average sentence of some who shoots and kills someone in this country.

Next door neighbor lost his Daughter and his Wife is in a wheel chair for the rest of her life to a drunk driver.. you know how long he got? 3 Years and probably be out in less than that. I would say he lost his license to drive, but guess what, he lost that 3 years before in another drunk driving accident. He was driving drunk without one. What is even better, he had lost his license 9 years before that.

What do you think his incentive is to not do it again? His conscience?

I would say I am pissed because he murdered a child, and did not get much time.. but that goes pretty much the way it is with our law system in this country, no MATTER what kind of weapon you use to do it.

You can kill someone in this country and get less time than someone caught selling drugs.. kind of amazing, isn’t it?

MYTAKE: “The Constitution was written WELL AFTER we were rid of Great Britain.” – - – We wre rid of Great Britain? Really? LOL That whole War of 1812 thing kinda refutes that partisan delusion.

In response to Posted by: Hope McKay Rice | January 6, 2013, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm —Just take a gander at the U.S. Dept. of Justice website—you can get ALL the crime statistics here—YOU WILL BE AMAZED AT WAHT YOU WILL FIND—namely, ALMOST ALL CRIMES ARE COMMITTED WITH STOLEN WEAPONS!!

In response to Posted by: James L. | January 6, 2013, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

Australian Gun Law Update
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real
Figures from Down Under.
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to
Surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own
Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers
More than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria
Alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.(Note that
While the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not
And criminals still possess their guns!)
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady
Decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically
Upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed
That their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
Assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
Safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was
Expended in ‘successfully ridding Australian society of guns….’ You
Won’t see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or
Members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.
The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the
Hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control
Laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note Americans, before it’s too late!
Will you be one of the sheep to turn yours in?
WHY? You will need it.

“Extreme” hypocrisy should be the title. Liberals are screaming about guns yet “Chainsaw 3-D” tops box offices around the nation.

SAM: “While I’ve seem arguments supporting either side of this discussion, what I haven’t seen is any real discussion of how the government would go about enforcing an outright and retroactive ban on AR15 style rifles. Saying “let’s ban all these weapons” sounds fantastic, but enforcing the law required to make that happen is something else altogether. Do those that want these firearms banned support possibly invasive and warrantless searches to find them and if so, how do you first figure out who’s got what? Or do you simply search every house and person?” – - – Oh please, stop with the dishonest fear mongering. NONE of the proposed legislation proposed banning assault weapons in the manner you disnonestly characterize because they grandfather in exceptions for prior owners. The only ban people like Feinstein propose is the FUTURE sale of assault weapons so the people who currently have them and got them legally can still keep them.

MOUNTAINLOVER: ““Extreme” hypocrisy should be the title. Liberals are screaming about guns yet “Chainsaw 3-D” tops box offices around the nation.” – - – And your point is what exactly? That we must engage in unreasonable 1st Amendment restrictions on speech and the CHOICE people have to see that kin of a movie if that is what they choose to do? Are you implying that we can find and have reasonable restrictions on 1st Amendment free speech rights but not 2nd Amendment gun rights?

lets see now,i personally dont know of a single state that allows a semi automatic rifls which can hold morew than 5 shells can be used for hunting purposes.most people that own these firearms that can hold multiple rounds do not keep them locked up as was recently reavealed in conn.a criminal background check would prevent a convicted felon from buying one but what would prevent that criminal from breaking into someones house and stealing theirs,nothing.this type of firearm has no meaningful use by a private citizen as the average person cannot afford to buy the ammo that you can burn off in just a couple of minutes providing you can find a shooting range that will allow you to use it on their property.how many of those people that have made a rush to go out and buy one of these weAPONS HAVE A GUN SAFE?

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE CONSTITUTION,BUT DID OUR FOREFATHERS REALLY THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE WEAPONS THAT COULD FIRE THAT MANY SHOTS THAT FAST.WHEN THEY ADOPTED THOSE LAWS A PERSON WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO RE-LOAD.WITH THE WAY THE NRA THINKS WE SHOULD GIVE EVERY CITIZEN A MACHIUNEGUN AND THEN WE WOULD ALL BE ON THE SAME LEVEL AND GOD HELP ANYONE THAT TALKED BACK

CUOMOCRAT FOR RUBIO: “Maybe this maybe that… which would have been the same thing as what actually happened: Adam Lanza shooting them execution-style in the head.” – - – WRONG His body count plus her accidentally adding to the body count means it could have been worse than it was. The most important reality you conveniently ignore is that without such easy access to the weapons he had he could not have run up such a large body count so quickly. As long as it is easy for people like him to get access to the kinds of weapons they have access to and the high capacity magazines they have access to it will be EASY for them to run up the casualty counts they can generate. Sadly, to the NRA and its supporters those children and other casualties are nothing more than the acceptable losses of the collateral damage to protect the profits of the gun-sports industry and the fun of a realtive few enthusiasts.

MYTAKE: “I was not fear-mongering – I was stating a FACT…” – - – Oh please, yes you were. By stating a fact the way you did, without any clarifying or limiting context, without any affirmation that we can indeed have reasonable gun control regulations, you were in fact implicitly using the trite slippery fallacy to engage in fear mongering. Oh no, we can’t have any gun restrictions of any kind because we need to have any guns we want so we can overthrow a tyrannical central government, and we need any guns we want so we can stop a tyrannical government from taking our guns!

And BTW sandra, the founding fathers probably didn’t care about technology. The idea was that the people are as strong as the governement. Again, I know you people on the left are so full of emotion, but let’s be logical. If the people are as stong as the governemnt, then we dont have waht Venezula has, or other dictatorships. This is why we are free. I keep hearing about Europe has so few gun crimes. The UK has the fewest arms abut 10x the home invasions we have. Please think!! There is a trade off. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE LETS CONSIDER HOW MUCH OF IT IS IN INNER CITY GANGS. YEAH, MOST. WHY ISN’T THERE LEGISLATION TO OUTLAW GANGS?? Come on man, Please think!!

You know WHO is going to PROFIT from all of this “assault weapon” control talk? MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS. That’s who. Why? I’ll tell you so:

There are 300,000,000 MILLION guns on the street (registered) on the street that we KNOW about RIGHT NOW. IT is an ABSOLUTE IMPOSSIBILITY to get them off the street. You’ll just create a “black-market” for the ones that the drug cartels send along with their “mules” and dope that get across the border.

Of course his plan is extreme. Obama is an extremist. He ran as a centrist, but when he has an opening to show his true colors, the guy’s an extremist.

Librarian53– where do you get your facts saying most NRA wants to ban so called assault weapons?

You keep saying that AR’s are not needed for hunting. You have never hunted varmints, wild boars, or coyotes. In each type you need to be able to fire multiple rounds quickly at multiple targets. Clearing a field of prairie dogs for a farmer requires 200-250 shots fired per day to kill 175-220 per day. Its the only way to effectively clear them out. Feral hogs breed 4 times a year with 6-14 piggies a time. They are destroying billions in crops a year.

Owning a AR, I can train on one weapon platform and change out the upper to different calibers. Thus allowing me to more cheaply hunt since I only have to purchase 4 other uppers and not 4 other rifles. I can use it to hunt anything from squirrel to moose by changing out the upper. As the firearm expert, I’m sure you’ll agree that training on one firearm platform is safer for the hunter and those with him/her than the hunter having to train on multiple firearms.

Please get a education on firearms people!

1) stop using the term “gun”…its firearm. Even the dictionary under “gun” says “see firearm” and “as a firearm, firing a projectile using black powder or other charge”. Stop having the media dumb down the conversation when they cant learn better.

2) Its a “magazine” for most of the firearms. Clips are rarely used in firearms.

3) Learn the difference between assault rifle (already banned), assault weapon (term came up by politicians who are anti-firearm to sound scary), and hunting rifles. Please check out this short 7 minute video by a San Jose, CA police officer. He has over 25 years experience being a firearms instructor. He’ll explain the difference. Stay for the end, how he explains that changing the cosmetics of a hunting rifle doesnt change the rifle, but now considered by many to be a “assault weapon”…It didnt change the internal mechanics (which is why fienstien is wanting to ban nearly all semi automatics).
its called the truth about assault weapons —as I cant apparently post the link on this website.

Notice I don’t comment on articles about ball games. Mainly because I don’t know or care anything about ball games. When it comes to guns however everyone seems to be an expert even if they don’t know any more about guns than I do a soccer game. Including the people who wrote the article.

“including the Bushmaster and the AR-15”
Bushmaster is a firearms manufacturing company. Most of the guns they make are on the AR platform but there are also several other gun makers who build guns on the AR platform and Bushmaster makes other guns.
Saying “including the Bushmaster and the AR-15” is like saying ‘including Chevrolet and the pickup’. Dumb. “Bushmaster” is just being used to strike fear in the hearts of the unknowing just like “AK-47” or “Assault weapon”.

Gun control advocates want to ban pistol grips, adjustable stocks, flash suppressors and several sighting devices but none of them have ever explained why these things are dangerous. Pistol grips are used by every Olympic target rifle and adjustable stocks allow my 5 foot daughter to use her 6 ft. 4 in. grandfather’s rifle. Gun ban folks don’t know why these things are bad, they just are.

Pres. Obama once stated that reloading should be banned because a handloader could use 4 times as much powder as a factory load to create a “super killer bullet”. I load my own. Trust me, if you could somehow get that much powder in, you’d only do it once. Each gun is designed to operate within certain parameters for that weapon. Exceeding those parameters leads to catastrophic failure. (The gun blows up.)

The statistics quoted regarding: gun death, gun violence and gun crime are only relevant if you believe that someone killed with a gun is somehow more dead than someone who is killed with another weapon. Personally I don’t think that is possible. Dead is dead. Saying “Gun death” is somehow worse than “knife death” or “club death” is ludicrous. One is just as dead as the other.

The word “hunting” does not appear in the Second Amendment or elsewhere in the Constitution so we can ignore those comments.

If the Second Amendment is a major problem for you, I refer you to Article Five. If you can’t use Article Five to your satisfaction then just learn to live with the Constitution as is. Of course some of you know more about the Constitution than the Supreme Court does so …. okay.

George Stephanopoulos by the way was one of Bill Clinton’s top advisors.

I saw on the news that the FBI completed 2.7 million background checks in December. That is over 93000 per day. How can this possibly be an effective system? What exactly is involved in a background check by a gun dealer when a person wants to buy a gun?

Golfer71

2.7 million background checks should tell us something. When Obama said that most Americans wanted stricter gun control, he lied. Since multiple guns can be bought with one background check and those of us with a CHL don’t need a background check, there have been a lot of guns sold in the past year. Since some of us already have a gun (or two, maybe three) America seems well armed and like it or not, we do cling to our guns and our Bibles. Obama told the truth about that one.

There are as many reasons to own a gun as there are gun owners. Whatever the reasons, Americans like guns. What is done on the other side of the ocean or the other side of the world is no indication of anything in the US. We like our guns and we will keep them.

MARK79: “Please get a education on firearms people!” – - – I have. That is how I know are full of BS and don’t know what you are talking about on the following two points:

“2) Its a “magazine” for most of the firearms. Clips are rarely used in firearms.” – - – WRONG Clips are a detachable ammunition holder and delivery mechanism in which little or nothing extends beyond the weapon iteslf after fully inserting the clip. Consequently just about all semi-auto pistols and some rifles with a small ammo capacity have a clip and not a magazine. A magazine on the other hand usually extends far enough from the weapon to be able to grab it and pull it out without having to rely soley on gravity for removal. As far as I know all assualt rifles and SMGs use a magazine. I honestly don’t know if horizontal feed weapons use a clip or a magazine since I have never used one like that and I can’t look it up at the moment. My guess is they use a clip becasue it is long and thin and flat

“3) Learn the difference between assault rifle (already banned), assault weapon (term came up by politicians who are anti-firearm to sound scary),” – - – No, assautl rifles are not already banned because the prevoiius ban expired. And trying to make a big distinction between assautl rifle an assault ban is, well, at least silly if not stupidly disingenuous. That is really a distinction without a meaningful difference.

Quote
Attributed to Abraham Lincoln: Q: If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?

A: Four, because calling a tail a leg doesn’t mean it is one. Nor does calling a semi-automatic rifle an “assault weapon” make it one.

Attributed to Abraham Linclon: Quote attributed to Abraham Lincoln.

Attributed to Abraham Lincoln: Q: If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?

A: Four, because calling a tail a leg doesn’t mean it is one. Nor does calling a semi-automatic rifle an “assault weapon” make it one.

Extreme is the socialist way, and Dems are nothing but extreme socialists, getting closer to dictatorial communism, every day.

Nothing is going to get done about this gun issue. The gun manufacturers through the NRA have too many of these idiots in Congress in their pocket.

The solution is for the states to sue the gun manufacturers for deaths caused by assault weapons, just as they do for deaths caused by cigarettes. The first successful suit will make the gun manufacturers come to their senses.

POSTED BY: MELISSA | JANUARY 6, 2013, 11:37 AM 11:37 AM Chicago who has the strictest gun laws had 260 children killed in 3 years, NOONE complains about that.

Another tragedy from a sick person stealing someone else’s gun to murder people in a place that does not allow guns. In this case, we have an irresponsible mother, a sick young adult and an easy target. Gun laws didn’t kill those people, a sick man did.

“No, assautl rifles are not already banned…”
Posted by: B-K KnightRider | January 7, 2013, 4:50 am

Using the historical definition for “assault rifle” -capable of fully-automatic and semi-automatic fire, yes they are banned. You’re using the definition the media likes to use -anything that has military features, but like they say, a horse by any other name is still a horse.

tmferretti | January 7, 2013, 10:45 am —– Some of our inner cities are already worse than Bagdad, Beirut and Kabul. The bad guys will always have guns, no matter what you do. As for tobacco, you are a nut if you believe the manufacturers are at fault. ANYONE who doesn’t understand breathing cigarettes isn’t going to hurt or kill you is an idiot. Daddy government cannot protect you from everything, no matter how much legislation you throw at it.

Dalmation..you are dealing with those who believe the media never lies….

B-K KNIGHTRIDER

An assault rifle, as defined by the U.S. Military and many other organizations defines it as able to have selective fire capability. The ability to have semi automatic or fully automatic.

anything with this feature was banned in 1934 because of the prohibition gang wars.

COMMONSENSE

I smoke two packs of cigarettes a day. You missed the point

If the gun manufacturers had to pay a price they’d behave more responsibly. We all know this Congress is bought and paid for, they will do absolutely nothing

Knightrider,

you are glad that fienstien wants to make it where both parties have to get a background check for personal sales…why? because you say my status could have changed….

if I’m SELLING the firearm….why should the tax payers pay to do a background check (three checks) on me as a personal owner? You buying the firearm, I have no problem with going through a background check as the purchaser. I want to make sure I’m not selling to a felon. If my status has changed, for a crime…the police already check at the time of the felony to see if I have any registered firearms…they’d confiscate them or give me 1 day to sell them, depending on the state.

What’s ‘way in the extreme’ is to shrug off the massacre of first graders and do nothing to prevent further slaughter.

A. Lanza had access to the best health care money could buy. Mentally disturbed people have always been with us, and will be in the future.

Only in America can the mentally ill get their hands on arsenals of lethal weapons and hundreds of bullets — in their own basements, no less. Only in America do we have routine, recurrent gun massacres.

As long as Americans have the constitutional right to have arsenals of mass death in their basements, the gun massacres will continue.

No civilized country tolerates routine gun massacres. All Americans who love our country should want America to end the slaughter and join the ranks of civilized countries.

Repeal the blood soaked Second Amendment Now. Then implement REAL, effective gun reform and End the Gun Massacres.