Comments on: The Fiscal Cliff’s Winners And Losers (The Note) http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/01/the-fiscal-cliffs-winners-and-losers-the-note/ The latest Politics news and blog posts from ABC News contributors and bloggers including Jake Tapper, George Stephanopoulos and more. Mon, 20 May 2013 22:31:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Reality Check http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/01/the-fiscal-cliffs-winners-and-losers-the-note/#comment-30388406 Reality Check Tue, 08 Jan 2013 18:15:07 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=831056#comment-30388406 Wrong, the sequester was a republican idea to force the debt committee to compromise because of the terrible consequences that would happen if they didn’t. Another republicn miscalculation. Posted by: tmferretti | January 8, 2013, 10:40 am 10:40 am You believe a lot of nonsense. Politifact rated President Barack Obama’s statement that the sequester “is something that Congress has proposed” as mostly false. Politifact’s reporting comes partially from Bob Woodward’s book The Pride of Politics. In it, Woodward shows the sequester was initially an Obama White House idea. The apparent intent was to get Republicans to negotiate cuts, something that did not happen. The rating: Obama said that the sequester — and the defense cuts that would result from it — was not his proposition. “It is something that Congress has proposed,” he said in the debate. But it was Obama’s negotiating team that came up with the idea for defense cuts in 2011, though they were intended to prod Congress to come up with a better deal for reining in the deficit, not as an effort to make those cuts reality. … Obama can’t rightly say the sequester isn’t his, but he did need cooperation from Congress to get to this point. We rate the statement Mostly False. Wrong, the sequester was a republican idea to force the debt committee to compromise because of the terrible consequences that would happen if they didn’t. Another republicn miscalculation.

Posted by: tmferretti | January 8, 2013, 10:40 am 10:40 am

You believe a lot of nonsense.

Politifact rated President Barack Obama’s statement that the sequester “is something that Congress has proposed” as mostly false.

Politifact’s reporting comes partially from Bob Woodward’s book The Pride of Politics. In it, Woodward shows the sequester was initially an Obama White House idea. The apparent intent was to get Republicans to negotiate cuts, something that did not happen.

The rating:

Obama said that the sequester — and the defense cuts that would result from it — was not his proposition. “It is something that Congress has proposed,” he said in the debate.

But it was Obama’s negotiating team that came up with the idea for defense cuts in 2011, though they were intended to prod Congress to come up with a better deal for reining in the deficit, not as an effort to make those cuts reality. …

Obama can’t rightly say the sequester isn’t his, but he did need cooperation from Congress to get to this point. We rate the statement Mostly False.

]]> By: Reality Check http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/01/the-fiscal-cliffs-winners-and-losers-the-note/#comment-30388496 Reality Check Tue, 08 Jan 2013 18:13:20 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=831056#comment-30388496 Wrong, the sequester was a republican idea to force the debt committee to compromise because of the terrible consequences that would happen if they didn’t. Another republicn miscalculation. Posted by: tmferretti | January 8, 2013, 10:40 am 10:40 am You believe a lot of nonsense. Politifact rated President Barack Obama’s statement that the sequester “is something that Congress has proposed” as mostly false. Politifact’s reporting comes partially from Bob Woodward’s book The Pride of Politics. In it, Woodward shows the sequester was initially an Obama White House idea. The apparent intent was to get Republicans to negotiate cuts, something that did not happen. The rating: Obama said that the sequester — and the defense cuts that would result from it — was not his proposition. “It is something that Congress has proposed,” he said in the debate. But it was Obama’s negotiating team that came up with the idea for defense cuts in 2011, though they were intended to prod Congress to come up with a better deal for reining in the deficit, not as an effort to make those cuts reality. … Obama can’t rightly say the sequester isn’t his, but he did need cooperation from Congress to get to this point. We rate the statement Mostly False. Wrong, the sequester was a republican idea to force the debt committee to compromise because of the terrible consequences that would happen if they didn’t. Another republicn miscalculation.

Posted by: tmferretti | January 8, 2013, 10:40 am 10:40 am

You believe a lot of nonsense.

Politifact rated President Barack Obama’s statement that the sequester “is something that Congress has proposed” as mostly false.

Politifact’s reporting comes partially from Bob Woodward’s book The Pride of Politics. In it, Woodward shows the sequester was initially an Obama White House idea. The apparent intent was to get Republicans to negotiate cuts, something that did not happen.

The rating:

Obama said that the sequester — and the defense cuts that would result from it — was not his proposition. “It is something that Congress has proposed,” he said in the debate.

But it was Obama’s negotiating team that came up with the idea for defense cuts in 2011, though they were intended to prod Congress to come up with a better deal for reining in the deficit, not as an effort to make those cuts reality. …

Obama can’t rightly say the sequester isn’t his, but he did need cooperation from Congress to get to this point. We rate the statement Mostly False.

]]> By: tmferretti http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/01/the-fiscal-cliffs-winners-and-losers-the-note/#comment-30386281 tmferretti Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:40:09 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=831056#comment-30386281 REALITY CHECK Wrong, the sequester was a republican idea to force the debt committee to compromise because of the terrible consequences that would happen if they didn't. Another republicn miscalculation. It was pushed by Boehner and McConnell, the President and Harry Reid signed on to get the debt ceiling increased and avoid another default. No matter, it stilll can be fixed if the republicans reduce some of those deep spending cuts and invest in our economy. Something they are not willing to do. REALITY CHECK

Wrong, the sequester was a republican idea to force the debt committee to compromise because of the terrible consequences that would happen if they didn’t. Another republicn miscalculation.

It was pushed by Boehner and McConnell, the President and Harry Reid signed on to get the debt ceiling increased and avoid another default.

No matter, it stilll can be fixed if the republicans reduce some of those deep spending cuts and invest in our economy. Something they are not willing to do.

]]> By: Reality Check http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/01/the-fiscal-cliffs-winners-and-losers-the-note/#comment-30386113 Reality Check Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:29:48 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=831056#comment-30386113 The fiscal cliff is the fiscal cliff because of these absurd spending cuts the republicans are pushing. These cuts will put 2,000,000 people out of work in the defense sector alone and reduce the tax base, require assistanc for more unemployed and lower the deficit for about 10 seconds. Posted by: tmferretti | January 8, 2013, 10:03 am 10:03 am Sequestration was all Obama's idea. The fiscal cliff is the fiscal cliff because of these absurd spending cuts the republicans are pushing. These cuts will put 2,000,000 people out of work in the defense sector alone and reduce the tax base, require assistanc for more unemployed and lower the deficit for about 10 seconds.

Posted by: tmferretti | January 8, 2013, 10:03 am 10:03 am

Sequestration was all Obama’s idea.

]]> By: Rick McDaniel http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/01/the-fiscal-cliffs-winners-and-losers-the-note/#comment-30385979 Rick McDaniel Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:24:00 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=831056#comment-30385979 The losers are the people...........they are just too ignorant to know it. The losers are the people………..they are just too ignorant to know it.

]]> By: Noz http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/01/the-fiscal-cliffs-winners-and-losers-the-note/#comment-30385896 Noz Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:17:48 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=831056#comment-30385896 There are no winners or losers with this fiscal cliff dealio. The agreement is a time out, a kick the can down the road. There are no winners or losers with this fiscal cliff dealio.
The agreement is a time out, a kick the can down the road.

]]> By: tmferretti http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/01/the-fiscal-cliffs-winners-and-losers-the-note/#comment-30385736 tmferretti Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:03:26 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=831056#comment-30385736 The fiscal cliff is the fiscal cliff because of these absurd spending cuts the republicans are pushing. These cuts will put 2,000,000 people out of work in the defense sector alone and reduce the tax base, require assistanc for more unemployed and lower the deficit for about 10 seconds. This is not about spending, its about the republican fascination with "smaller government" even though that smaller government means economic collapse and more suffering for the middle class. Britain tried the same thing (austerity cuts). Now their economy is as bad as it was in the great depression, unemployment is souring and they haven't put a dent in their debt. Now is the worst time ever to initiate these cuts, when we are trying to recover from the worst recession in our history. The fiscal cliff is the fiscal cliff because of these absurd spending cuts the republicans are pushing. These cuts will put 2,000,000 people out of work in the defense sector alone and reduce the tax base, require assistanc for more unemployed and lower the deficit for about 10 seconds.

This is not about spending, its about the republican fascination with “smaller government” even though that smaller government means economic collapse and more suffering for the middle class.

Britain tried the same thing (austerity cuts). Now their economy is as bad as it was in the great depression, unemployment is souring and they haven’t put a dent in their debt.

Now is the worst time ever to initiate these cuts, when we are trying to recover from the worst recession in our history.

]]> By: Perplexed http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/01/the-fiscal-cliffs-winners-and-losers-the-note/#comment-30385560 Perplexed Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:48:23 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=831056#comment-30385560 The TRUTH that the MSM and the Washington politicans don't want you to know is that no real spending is being proposed only a slow down of the rate of spending growth. We are in a very dire financial situation that will ONLY be addressed when we make REAL CUTS to our spending on medical programs. Medicare and Medicaid are unsustainable with NO cost containment being exercised. They will BANKRUPT us soon. When that happens there will be no money for SS, medicare, medicaid or welfare. It is a reality that you cannot afford to continue to ignore. It will affect each one of you. The TRUTH that the MSM and the Washington politicans don’t want you to know is that no real spending is being proposed only a slow down of the rate of spending growth. We are in a very dire financial situation that will ONLY be addressed when we make REAL CUTS to our spending on medical programs. Medicare and Medicaid are unsustainable with NO cost containment being exercised. They will BANKRUPT us soon. When that happens there will be no money for SS, medicare, medicaid or welfare. It is a reality that you cannot afford to continue to ignore. It will affect each one of you.

]]> By: Dalmation http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/01/the-fiscal-cliffs-winners-and-losers-the-note/#comment-30385391 Dalmation Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:35:54 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=831056#comment-30385391 “I think [Boehner]‘s more of a pragmatic moderate. And we’ll see if the White House is going to realize it’s much better to have a Speaker Boehner with that mindset than somebody from the Tea Party or the more extreme right which would just lay down and, you know, let the country burn.” -Bob Woodward 1/6/2013 Bob Woodward let the cat out of the bag that the Democrats are intentionally trying to collapse the economy, and the media are cheering it on, blaming the Republican party the whole time. Every step of the way toward economic collapse, the media hope the Republicans oppose the Democrat plans to destroy the country so that they can blame the decline on Republican opposition. "In the tug-of-war over the fiscal cliff both sides had to find room to compromise." -Michael Falcone On what did Obama compromise? Does the bloodbank get to compromise with me about how much blood I should be forced to 'donate'? When Boehner said that he was giving the tax increases, so what would Obama be willing to give, Obama respoinded that he was getting that "for free" -that's not compromise. “I think [Boehner]‘s more of a pragmatic moderate. And we’ll see if the White House is going to realize it’s much better to have a Speaker Boehner with that mindset than somebody from the Tea Party or the more extreme right which would just lay down and, you know, let the country burn.” -Bob Woodward 1/6/2013

Bob Woodward let the cat out of the bag that the Democrats are intentionally trying to collapse the economy, and the media are cheering it on, blaming the Republican party the whole time. Every step of the way toward economic collapse, the media hope the Republicans oppose the Democrat plans to destroy the country so that they can blame the decline on Republican opposition.

“In the tug-of-war over the fiscal cliff both sides had to find room to compromise.” -Michael Falcone

On what did Obama compromise? Does the bloodbank get to compromise with me about how much blood I should be forced to ‘donate’? When Boehner said that he was giving the tax increases, so what would Obama be willing to give, Obama respoinded that he was getting that “for free” -that’s not compromise.

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