Vacationing Obama’s Options to Sign ‘Fiscal Cliff’ Deal Include Air Force Jet, Autopen

What a freakin lazy person! Stay and do your job!

Don’t waste the plane fuel and save taxpayer money. Sign it with auto-pen ASAP, and then do it again in more ceremony in the Oval Office to please the conspiracy buffs next week. This is a small but significant moment of the second term and shouldn’t be relegated to a plywood plank in front of a palm tree.

Um, a president can go on vacation. How many vacations did former presidents go on?

Posted by: Hmmmm | January 2, 2013, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm

Bush flew back and forth to his private Texas ranch about 10 times per year. So we’re talking ten flights a year back and forth to the ranch vs. one (or in this case two) flight a year to Hawaii?

Ten flights back and forth to a private Texas ranch is 6 hours x 10 = 60 hours of Air Force One time. Two flights to Hawaii and back is 20 hours x 2 = 40 hours of Air Force One time. And usually it’s only one flight = 20 hours.

That means Bush wasted 20 hours (or 40 hours) more flying time of taxpayers money EACH year. Over 8 years, that’s going to be 160 to 320 more flying hours for Bush. At $180,000 per hour, you figure it out.

Um, a president can go on vacation. How many vacations did former presidents go on?

Posted by: Hmmmm | January 2, 2013, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm

Bush flew back and forth to his private Texas ranch about 10 times per year. So we’re talking ten flights a year back and forth to the ranch vs. one (or in this case two) flight a year to Hawaii?

Ten flights back and forth to a private Texas ranch is 6 hours x 10 = 60 hours of Air Force One time. Two flights to Hawaii and back is 20 hours x 2 = 40 hours of Air Force One time. And usually it’s only one flight = 20 hours.

That means Bush wasted 20 hours (or 40 hours) more flying time of taxpayers money EACH year. Over 8 years, that’s going to be 160 to 320 more flying hours for Bush. At $180,000 per hour, you figure it out.

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Come on now. Let’s leave Bush out of this. It is not about him going on vacation. It is about the example he is sending forth while the country burns. Get off your liberal horse and come back to reality.

I wonder if the bots have figured out yet that TAXES on the middle class are going up with this little deal of Obama’s. Yes, that is right no cut in spending but hey the workers get to pay more. For those making 50,000 to 75,000 you get pay over $800 more a year. For those making $75,000 to $100,000 you get to pay about $1200 more a year. And oh btw, you get pay 2 % more of your paycheck in SS tax too as it goes up from 4.1% to 6.1%. But fun doesn’t stop there…….if you aren’t getting enuff of your paycheck taken away by employer to pay these taxes, you will also owe a penalty at the end of year. But hey Obama gets to go vacation, golfing whenever he wants all while diverting your taxmoney into his buddies pockets….like over $700 million to help refurbish mosques and stuff in other countries. Feel stupid yet for voting for him?

It is not about him going on vacation. It is about the example he is sending forth while the country burns.”

Bingo !!
But setting an example which actually requires self-sacrifice would be beneath our dear leader…

But setting an example which actually requires self-sacrifice would be beneath our dear leader…

Posted by: Logicsgood | January 2, 2013, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

The hypocritical, bigoted double standard once again. What else would you expect from the Republican right wing. One set of standards for ‘their’ president, another for President Obama.

We only ask that the President be judged by the same criteria as other presidents, not by a new ‘special’ set of rules for Obama.

Bush flew back and forth to his private Texas ranch about 10 times per year. So we’re talking ten flights a year back and forth to the ranch vs. one (or in this case two) flight a year to Hawaii?

Ten flights back and forth to a private Texas ranch is 6 hours x 10 = 60 hours of Air Force One time. Two flights to Hawaii and back is 20 hours x 2 = 40 hours of Air Force One time. And usually it’s only one flight = 20 hours.

That means Bush wasted 20 hours (or 40 hours) more flying time of taxpayers money EACH year. Over 8 years, that’s going to be 160 to 320 more flying hours for Bush. At $180,000 per hour, you figure it out.

p.s. – the country actually crashed and burned under Bush, not Obama.
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I am going to leave it in the words of our great President Ronald Reagan, “There you go again.” I am done arguing with a liberal who only wants to blame Bush instead of taking responsibility for 4 years of failed policies. This is my last post to you.

Republicons are such sore losers. And they ARE losers.

But I suppose there’s NO parallels with that criticism, our current President

Posted by: Logicsgood | January 2, 2013, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

Sorry, your ‘argument’ is seriously flawed. Wall Street executives CAN travel by first class scheduled flights and do not have to fly by exclusive jet – the President of the United States has no such option.

“There has been nothing but growth since Obama’s policies took hold.”

That’s true, but growing food stamp usage, chronically unemployed and national debt are nothing to crow about…

Obama or bush have nothing to do with the economy. Its all dictated by Bernanke, and before him it was Greenspan. They set inflation rates and determine if you have a job or not depending on how much money is printed. So will Obama sign?

A dedicated man to be sure. *shaking head*

“There has been nothing but growth since Obama’s policies took hold.”

That’s true, but growing food stamp usage, chronically unemployed and national debt are nothing to crow about…

Posted by: Logicsgood | January 2, 2013, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm

Obama has slowed food stamp growth and unemployment growth since the disaster caused by the Bush economic collapse.

The debt has already been thoroughly discussed on these pages, although your remaining blissfully ignorant.

1) Bush handed Obama a country in economic collapse and an ongoing deficit already over a trillion dollars for 2009, 2) Bush handed Obama a debt already at $10.6 trillion, 3) the interest alone on the debt Bush left was $400 billion a year – adding $1.6 trillion onto the debt adding up. Should we talk about the two major unfinished wars? The unpaid for seniors drug program?

There has been nothing but economic growth and job growth since Obama’s policies came into effect. The stock market has regained everything people lost under the Bush collapse. Companies have hit record profits. And on and on and on.

Time you started paying attention.

p.s. – the country actually crashed and burned under Bush, not Obama.

My GOD my fellow citizens! It crashed and burned because of the Housing Market CRASH! Both parties overlooked it! I’m so sick and tired of the blame game here! This President is setting a TERRIBLE example by leaving for Hawaii AGAIN! He owns no property there! Go back to South Chicago, or Camp David for God’s sake! In response to the comment above, the crashing and burning are getting WORSE my friend!

Again, the double standard. Republicans have one set of rules for ‘their’ presidents, and then change the rules for President Obama. It’s biased hypocrisy – and we can see through it.

Posted by: Randy | January 2, 2013, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm

It was the same way with deficits and the debt. Under Bush/Cheney there was nothing wrong with deficits. It was fine for them to double the national debt and watch the economy collapse – suddenly now it’s all Obama’s fault.

Phony hypocrites.

I am amazed how riled up FOX News can get some many people. Please loose the Fair and Balanced baloney — Fox news got exposed trying to buy the office of the president. Murdock has made a network designed to lie to the citizens of this country just as he is doing in England. Every time you post the ravings of this network you are showing that he can control a government with money.

the US dollar will collapse along with all other FIAT Currencies. Has nothing to do with Obama or Bush. B-E-R-N-A-N-K-E…

Posted by: Jason | January 2, 2013, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm

Oh okay, let’s blame Bernanke and Greenspan then.

S&P futures are now slipping along with precious metals. I think traders are waking up to the fact that we are over the fiscal cliff and we are staying there with no official deal. Those that get caught up in the Republocrat and Democian fight are truly unaware of how this country really operates and the U.S. people get what they deserve. Signing out from FEMA camp region IV

” Two major unfinished wars” — But I thought Afghanistan was “the right war”, you know, the one Obama doubled down on…
“The unpaid for seniors drug program?” — So why were the Dems, esp Teddy K, complaining that the Rep drug program was too small??
And Randy, you left out:
The ‘Stimulus’ failure – $800 Billion – with a whole 6% of it dedicated to “shovel-ready jobs”. Obamacare and related taxes – And Barry said would not add “one dime” to our deficit. Oops.
The fact that we need to add 150,000 jobs per month just to keep up with population growth…

Yes sir, these are the Golden Days, courtesy of Barack Obama.
Enjoy the koolaid Randy !

Presidents Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan & Carter would never fly to a place where they didn’t own property to vacation!

Posted by: theeightiesruled1 | January 2, 2013, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm

That’s a lie. Plain and simple.

Of course he thought it through he along with congress and the senate are playing the U.S. People as pawns. Keep you in a constant state of fear. This is just the slow burn to the morning we wake up with 100 S&P or 1000+ DOW points shaved off the markets in one day….and another “emergency measure” will have to be put in place.

They got us right where they want us….staring in the headlight of the train coming at us. Bu Bye

he was the LAST to really unite us out of a terrible Economic mess.

Posted by: theeightiesruled1 | January 2, 2013, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

Reagan did that by tripling the national debt. The Reagan administration ran an illegal shadow government carrying out illegal activities out of sight of Congress and the American people. There were criminal charges and convictions proving this.

Yes, great moments of American pride (and in complete ignorance).

can he test the constitution on some B.S. bill NOT THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY! Is he reckless or really that incompetent to risk something like this?

I don’t care if he took a cab across the street. You all are missing the point. He left without signing the bill that he has been harping about for months in front t of the cameras.
Both Republicans and Democrats are playing us all for fools. And guess what. We all fall right in line. I think we are done as a country if we can’t ether vote all these clowns out of office both R and D or set term limits for Senators and Representatives

The land of the fleeced and the home of the afraid….thats the new national anthem for America. Thank You HOTWIRE for herding these sheeple back to the subject matter. Lets discuss this signature.

Oh My God, you mean Iran Contra? I know American citizens/Nicaraguan immigrants that used to live in Nicaragua! They loved the 40th President! They’re still dealing with Communism down there! OK, the arms were shipped to Iran, but to free American hostages! Agree or Disagree, they just wanted to get our people out of that Godforsaken country and others in the Middle East! And by the WAY the debt was tripled by Democrats in Congress, but our Economy STILL grew at an unprecedented level in the day! The largest peacetime expansion of the private sector economy in our history! GOD! We need these types of policies again!

Dan and Randy, I hate to break this to you but Bush is not the President Anymore.

I you like to bring him up so much, why don’t you hold the current President to the same standards you help Bush?

maybe you are the Bigoted ones here.

Eric! You obviously don’t remember the late 70′s and the malaise we were in because of 60′s Liberalism! The Personal Computer was the reason for the growth, but his policies allowed people to start these businesses without regulations, taxes, and the like! Please, I lived it! I want the children of American to LIVE it again. Unfortunately they WON’T with the current administration!

While everyone is discussing the fact of who took more vacations, why don’t we look at the political problem itself in that if our leaders worked diligently like business owners that would not go on vacation and would work day in and day out, 16-18hrs per day until the budget meshed, I guarantee you that our state and federal budgets would come to fruition much sooner than later.
Ever ask yourself why it is they can get paid when budgets are overdue? I live in California where it’s just become customary to not have a budget for several months after the deadline and it seems to just be ok. Small business are expected to take the brunt in continuing to provide services and our elected officials continue to get paid, yet the business owners rightfully due, are on hold. All ties together. You weekend off, no holidays, no vacations and no pay until law makers put forth what’s rightfully due.

So when’s he gunna sign…says the mute. Or everyone is content just being that sheep (you) that keeps pushing back as the farmer with his pants down (da gubbernment) as he tries to force you off the cliff for his pleasure.

Didn’t Reagan autopen just about everything? Maybe it was Bush Sr. Non-issue, but it’s fun to watch repukes foaming at the mouth. Thanks ABC for my evening entertainment.

The President needs these lavish vacations, telling all those lies makes him extra tired!

Evidently, the three amigos went for a ride. DAN, TV and RANDY. They’re all gone!

Oh my gawd! Are the right wingers still whining about EVERYTHING the President does? Didn’t work last two times, ain’t workin’ now.

Lol. Someone is monkeying around with the posts in here.

Better wake up, Charles. Obama gets the Academy Award for creating the highest debt.

Seriously, can’t they send it by fax? Maybe overnight it to him?

Charles, you are a typical liberal trying to protect your dearly beloved Obama. Your arguments are worthless. Bush and Reagan are no longer in the WH. YOUR guy is the one who has created the mess. Yep, I know, the truth hurts, and you’ll continue attacking.

“A 2005 legal study commissioned by former President George W. Bush determined that use of the autopen is constitutional . .. ”

Doesn’t sound like that much of an issue.

We’re talking about the last four years ONLY. They belong to Obama and not to Bush or Reagan.

Posted by: Francis | January 2, 2013, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm

Only to a person who knows nothing about the last 10 years.

Could send it by snail mail but that is goverment run and it probably wouldn’t make it in time

Posted by: Don | January 2, 2013, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm

“A 2005 legal study commissioned by former President George W. Bush determined that use of the autopen is constitutional . .. ”

It really doesn’t sound like its much of an issue . ..

Reagan, and both Bushes added about 10 trillion to the national debt. Clinton added over about 1.4 trillion. Obama added about 1 trillion in his first year in response to the recession by applying spending cuts. The recession by George W added to the debt after his presidency by leaving the country in recession. Revenues were lost due to the recession which added to the debt by lack of revenue

Of course I cheer Obama….. and so do over 62 million other Americans : ). We love him. He’s a great guy and President

We don’t worship land. Although Hawaii is always a desirable U.S. State to visit. Or did you forget it is an actual AMERICAN STATE

Biden Has the Power to sign the bill into Law .

OK BK90. You absolutely lost me.
What are you talking about?

Why would the use of the “Auto-Pen” be challenged if the Prez makes it public that he wants to sign it (which he has) and that he authorizes the use of the device (which one would presume he has to authorize it)? Just because the Prez is on a golf course will cause the fiscal cliff to swallow the country? Good grief. And I thought only Hollywood could dream this kind of stuff up!

The news is that he just signed it by auto pen. Now we look forward to a crumbling economy and continued spending and wasting. The bill is a destructive one.

That’s just a one day gain. You haven’t begun to see what the real effects of this bill will be on the economy, jobs, etc. The bill is a disaster.

I think we should spend the taxpayer dollar on an Air Force jet across the Pacific so the President doesn’t spoil his vacation. After all, how could he have known this bill was coming up? Obama fly back? Hell no, it’s his vacation.

I am so thrilled and absolutely DELIGHTED that the Republicans were so brutally crushed by the outcome of this “Fiscal Cliff” fabrication. This was almost as enjoyable as watching Obama get re-elected for a 2nd term. Obama will always be remembered as one of the most beloved of all of our Presidents. He is paving the way for yet another Democrat victory in 2016.

II hope the President does what he says he’ll do and stay out of these future fiscal cliff negotiations. Make the Congress do its job as the Constitution specifies and not have him do it for them.

John Boehner should be negotiating with the democrats in the House and McConnell doing the same thing in the Senate. Just because these republican idiots in Congress behave like children doesn’t mean they need the President to act as the adult.

Once the Senate and House have compromised on the bill, the president will either sign it or he won’t. If the Congress thinks the bill is so great they can muster 60 votes in the Senate to override the veto.

NEWCOUNTRYMAN

Thanks, for some reason I thought it was 60 votes in the Senate, focused on the filibuster number I guess.