Feds Make Miranda Rights Exception for Marathon Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev

You know the terrorists have won when the US Government starts shredding the Constitution and the suspect’s right to due process.

Translation to “HIG’s” mission statement, “It is our mission to make this guy talk by whatever means necessary so we can kill him and his friends.” Which I am all for btw. This guy had no remorse for the rights of the people he murdered and amputated. Fight fire with fire and terror with terror. We are way to far past the point to where America can apologize for bullying our way to the top of the world in hope of our enemies forgiving us. We are here so we fight to stay here…

You know the terrorists have won when the US Government starts shredding the Constitution and the suspect’s right to due process.

Posted by: Lance | April 19, 2013, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

Sounds like you didn’t read the discussion of the Supreme Court ruling regarding the public safety exemption. Oh well . . .

In other words, this guy won’t be given the right to have an attorney present…period. They will do everything short of killing him to get him to talk.

Some pathetic and laughable bs above. Our little “suspect” (known terrorist) is enjoying the height of leniency in that his head hasn’t already been blown clean off, as it would have been in very many other countries.

I am very vocally concerned about this killer’s “rights”. Why? Because it gives me a cheaper than cheap moral high. I live for that.

Why not give the Miranda? This guy could walk by the Supreme Court. This is what the Terrorists want to destroy our civil liberties.

If you do not give this man the Miranda, we will all live under tyranny.

He will most likely lawyer up and be declared guilty. So why jeopardize the rights of the innocent?

a black doctor was killing babies live with scissors and not a peep about that. Weird.

Posted by: mountainclimber39 | April 19, 2013, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm

The doctor is on trial and facing a jury and justice. Isn’t that the way its supposed to work?

also–why aren’t people as concerned about other parts of the constitution being upheld (ie the 2nd amendment) oh wait, cause it’s evil and conservative-minded. i swear, i’m just getting sickened by the inconsistency and fickle mindedness of people anymore…and i’m only 25 :/

Ummm, the cops arresting him DID read him his Miranda Rights when they apprehended him. Just sayin’.

And terror suspects? Judging by his condition they found him in, it’s pretty obvious they caught the right man in the first place.

I’m a liberal and I think that once the facts and actions show that a person is a terrorist, they’ve lost all their rights as a US citizen. Take this scumbag down to Guantanamo and torture the hell out of ‘em till he tells all.

According to the link- they are ONLY allowed to ask him about bombs that may still be at large, how to disarm them, and whether they’re active. It’s not a violation of rights, as he can- and will, most likely- invoke his right to an attorney at some point. The Exception is to contain an emergency situation for the safety of the public and law-enforcement. They cannot ask him where he got his supplies, why he did it, or anything else that is not of immediate threat to the public. They can’t even ask him if *HE* was the one who set them, created them, or blew them up. However, those spouting: “he shouldn’t have rights and such”- extremely ignorant and naive. The Supreme Court, the highest court in the land, does not decide whether a Constitutional Law has been broken by whether or not you’re an evil terrorist- they go solely, and only, on the court’s due process. You start setting dangerous precedences of stripping rights away from a citizen, and next thing you know *you’ll* be the one detained without any rights (whether you’re guilty or not). Try to see the larger picture of what you’re spewing- not just the small point at the end of your nose.

LOL what not enough support to divert our attention from our rights as free citizens… we’ll be the new Soviet Union in no time! The new SPY ON EVERYONE bill passed today… irony is often ironic!

You folks really need to read the information provided in the link to the FBI site before you go nuts here. Most of you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.

And if he does invoke, they can’t ask him anything else, no matter how baa-a-a-d their interrogation team is. “I want a lawyer. I do not wish to answer questions.” That’s all he has to say. If they keep asking, use force, beat him, or whatever… they might just do it, but it will make all questioning illegal thereafter. They cannot physically harm him to get info. And they can’t draw an inference from his refusing to answer…

Again, all this subject to enemy combatant rules… lol…

If he’s been in the country 2 months and turned on the TV twice, he knows the Miranda, word for word.

WE CHOOSE WHAT WE SEE

TODAY WE AMERICANS are BOSTON PROUD !!

Many here, although are on the outside looking in.

Why are YOU so damned concerned about HIS rights???
What about the rights of the people he killed, or severely injured??

Now I don’t like Obama one bit and I love the Constitution and I have no doubt this man is a terrorist of Islam. I do not believe in gun control and did everything I could to support the downfall of the new Senate bill trying to inact it. Must as a American Constitutionist I must defend this piece of Muslim trash in his right to have a full Miranda followed to the letter. Once again the Obama Admin. is stepping all over the Constitution and the rights that set us apart from the Fascist World. Miranda follow through cannot hurt the case but if not used can damage it and opens the door for the terrorist to say we do not practice what we preach and dictate to them as a flaw in there mode of govt. I must demand as a citizen that this terrorist be given full Miranda and that this admin. support and defend the Constitution to the letter as they swore to do in their oath of office!

IN THE U.S. WE HAVE RIGHTS, HE SHOULD BE READ HIS RIGHTS AND THE CONSTITUTION FOLLOWED- ALWAYS! YES, HE IS CLEARLY GUILTY, BUT THIS WILL COME OUT DURING A TRIAL AND HE WILL BE GIVEN HIS PUNISHMENT. ALL AMERICANS SHOULD BE DEEPLY CONCERNED WHEN THE BILL OF RIGHTS IS BY-PASSED. OVERSEAS IN THE FIGHT AGAINST TERROR – DIFFERENT STORY. WE SHOULD CONTINUE RENDITIONS, ENHANCED INTERROGATIONS AND TARGETED KILLINGS – ITS THE ONLY OPTION.

The unifying element for all of these terrorists is Islam. We always be aware of this. The only way to protect ourselves is to deport Muslims.

He needs to have someone from his consulate with him.

seems to me they made alot of “exceptions” for not just these “suspects” (patsies) theve made alot of “exceptions” for all of their unlawful and unconstitutional actions.

the hell with a suspected terrorist’s rights. where is Jack Baur when we need him? the rights are there for ordinary crimes and citizen’s, not these crimes. the one benefit of the Homeland Security Act.

I’m not worried about his rights, but i am worried about your rights if we don’t give him his.

This S.O.B. has no rights and I am glad the FBI, CIA and DIA have taken these steps. I hope they find out what they need to know, and then convict him to death!

Does anyone agree with this: If he is a U.S. citizen, and he performed terroristict acts of violence against this country, then shouldn’t this be considered treason? And treason is punishable by execution.

Dam the rights,did he not have a shootout with the cops.
?What was he hiding from?How did his picture and brother,uncle and dad all come about?So soft America lock him up for 20 years,dont forget the TV and basketball rims.Lets spend another zillion after this manhunt,let a Harvard graduate become the new F Lee Bailey.Also a bunch of you sorry ass journalist who coined the word accused can sell a book and Hollywood Id bet is already rolling.While you are working overtime to spend and collect how about the deceased and injured.What do they get?Keep telling me how great America is its we are way behind in penalities for travesty’s such as.this. Wake up build a scaffold and let ESPN sell their ads at prime time.

Expect the ACLU to step in. Not that I’m opposed. I just wish they gave half a crap about the second amendment too.

“Mr. Tsarnaev, you’ve just been arrested for bombing the Boston Marathon. What’s next for you?”

“I’m going to Gitmo World!”

Ms. Maret Tsarnaev, aunt of the targeted boys, is so right and so brave as to not go along with the lies of the local police and the FBI. The bombs were stage to further undermined the rights given by God to the citizens of the United States which have been eroded greatly by the staged destruction of the Twin Towers and building 7 in New York city. CIA, FBI, and the corrupted local police along with the prostitute corporate mass media, and lets not forget the biggest prostitute of them all the politicians are all involved and staging assassination of citizens to write illegals laws, against the US Constitution to make us all slaves. ALL STAGED!!!

95% of the people in these comments have no idea what they are talking about.

HE IS STILL BEING GIVEN HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. If there is an imminent threat to public safety, New York v. Quarles established that the suspect does not need to be Mirandized for questions specifically regarding that threat, while the threat is still active. When he’s eventually interrogated about his role in the bombings, he will certainly be read his Miranda rights. This is exactly how the law is meant to work people.

The reason you have Miranda rights, due process, and so forth are to do what they claim is being done by tossing them aside and why is everything liberal and conservative, why not just common sense? If they can toss em aside for this terrorist what is stopping them from labeling anyone a terrorist and giving them the shaft? Indeed, there is absolutely nothing stopping them and while his actions are horrendous as all acts of terrorism are it’s insane and utterly stupid to make comparisons to other countries or to say that victims weren’t given rights so he shouldn’t be. Yes, the victims were not given rights so should we emulate terrorist and murderous behavior now, would we feel better if we are clouded with blood lust, fear, and vengeance rather than the proper application of the constitution? Expect the rights of the American citizen which stood as tall as an oak tree, to be whittled down due to fear and vengeance coming from the citizen himself, to the size of a pencil very soon that is assuming we are not already at that point judging from the comments.

If you heard and listen to what Osama Obama said after they caught him, he gave the authorities permission to “do whatever it takes” to get information from him. Even Stevie Wonder could see that means permission to torture him. Despite what this kid did, he is a citizen as well and deserves due process. I am ashamed to be an American citizen.

Why in the name of common sense would you not mirandize the suspect? It would take all of what 3 minutes? Are they trying to give him a reason to appeal when he is convicted? What the hell is going on here? I am sick of this administrations complete disregard for our constitution. I thought the President was sworn to uphold the constitution? Did he take an oath to do this? If he did he needs to be charged with derilection of duty and impeached! I am sick of president Obama and his cronies trampling on the constitution with impunity. Who is going to stop this man from becoming our first dictator?

There are no exemptions to your rights! Everyone should be more scared of this government than him. The U.S. has been a terrorist state since it was created and every year seems to be getting worse.

I think its awful that people are throwing a fit about a terrorist that didnt get rights read to him. He didnt take the time to tell the people he was intending to kill and mame that he was going to plant a bomb and destroy their lives & their families lives. BUT!! God forbid we make sure HIS rights are protected!!! What about the rights of all those people affected by these lunatics?! Him & his psycho brother did what they felt they needed to do, now let the HIG do what they need to do. Those men got themselves in this by their own actions. I hope they throw him in a hole & leave his butt there for the wild animals to take care of him. B/c thats what he is…an animal!

& to all of you setting in your comfortable homes, on your pricey computers, drinking your beverage of choice, reading the news, and going to work this week at a job YOU choose, why dont you go live in Russia for a while & THEN talk about what a communist & terroristic country is! Then maybe you’ll appreciate this country a little more! Its people like you that make me sick! If the government thought there was going to be a problem w/not reading this man his Miranda rights, you dont think their intelligent enough to realize that?! I mean the American public DID vote these people into office, so what is that saying about the voters? Sheesh….

let him rot in hell. rights my ass tell that to all the ones who died and lost their limbs.

He has no rights…he is a terrorist. We need to find out who elses is out there just waiting to kill us.

A Right that that can be removed at the whim of government is No Right at all! “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”- Benjamin Franklin 1755

Anyone ever hear of innocent until proved guilty. Yes my heart goes out to the victims and their families. But everything that’s been going on puts up a red flag everywhere. I honestly think this is a cover up for the government. People go back and watch and read everything this past week. You guys are so quick to judge and point out the worst in people, bomb drills in boston same date as marathon … hmmmm navy seals at marathon walking around a saudi man in question earlier in week then released. To many things dont add up … I can go on and on .

Seeing he wasn’t read his rights I think once they get whatever and all information from him they need he should be released into my custody. I will make sure he is “taken care of”.

The government was never given the power to take away the Rights of We the People. They are there to uphold, support and defend the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic. The gov’t must follow the law not the opinions of men or lawyers. Article 5, Bill of rights:”..To have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.. If he is asked a question he must have Assistance of Counsel before he answers in his defense. The sup. Ct. cannot make or change a law. That power was given to the Legislative Branch and they cannot change a Right retained by the People. Remember, “Congress shall make NO LAW respecting the rights of the People.”

“rights”, “rights”, “rights”. I’m sick to death of hearing about rights! What about the right of the public to know whether there are other bombs out there? What if he’s part of a cell, or a larger terrorist organization (not necessarily Al-Qaeda; there are 53 organizations designated by the State Dept. alone, think broadly)? “The Constitution is not a suicide pact” -Justice Robert Jackson, U.S. Supreme Court. I hope he will be tried in open court by the U.S. Attorney’s office. He could have been shot on sight, he could be shipped to Egypt or Syria or Saudi Arabia and “encouragement” applied. He probably won’t be. People who shriek hysterically about rights for one individual forget that we are a nation and there are times when the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one. THIS is one of those times. Start living in the real world people, not a theoretical one of “rights” and “liberties”.

So the Government ( OBAMA) has put a Loophole, in place, so that authorities can shred the constitution legally????? This Tyranical 1/2 bred Communist must be removed as our rights are being dissolved on a daily basis. Nothing about America, our laws, our constitution is sacred with this Socialistic ScumBag. Time for AMERICA to clean out the Former White House and rplace the entire Administration with Patriots, that want Ameria to be the once great country it was

This is nonsense. Either read him his rights or don’t use his statements in court. I like my constitution even when it’s not convenient.

He belongs in Guantanamo……….and no where else.

The treasonous have NO RIGHTS!!!…..just the families of the three dead and more then 170 injured. :)

For everyone bitching about an American citizen’s rights I have a few thoughts.
1) What happened to the 3 people who died’s rights? How about the other 170-180 people who were maimed? Where did their rights go?

2) Let’s instead focus on responsibility. He HAD the responsibility to NOT kill 3 people and injure over 170 more. We have the responsibility as Americans to NOT let it happen again.

Personally, screw his rights.

Too funny. Now liberals can see that their own messiah is approving the same things they screamed and wanted to murder President Bush for…… However, in this case, because it’s during President Ogama’s term – the furor will die down after a day or two and not go on for years and centuries.

POSTED BY: MOUNTAINCLIMBER39 | APRIL 20, 2013, 9:19 AM 9:19 AM

Change!

Language can fail to describe reality. The suspect must, in fact, be aware of his Miranda rights. The question is wheather he is being denied access to a lawyer. It seems that persons other than law enforcement need to have access to him. This is a case where the ACLU should be involved. It would aloso seem that there is sufficient evidence to convict him without any statements from him.

Yep!
Guns sales are definitely driven by fear
The more afraid you are the more guns you should buy

Posted by: noz | April 20, 2013, 10:31 am 10:31 am

It takes courage to buy lots and lots of guns.

Here’s why this is no big deal. There is so much evidence that his statements aren’t needed to convict him.

Sure, just throw out the rights of all of those that are suspected of bombings! Insane! These are the suspects that are most in need of their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS! We have a constitution to protect Americans and this boy is an American citizen. This kind of crap is the first step on a slippery slope.

This person and his brother came to our country and lived here and were educated here and then comitt murder and serious injury to over 100 people and you all are yelling about his rights??? Bet none of you would be saying this had it been you or one of your family members killed or injured. I am a proud American and served this nation for 28+ years and you think I give a crap about his rights after doing this?? Grow up and instead of complaining, do something productive to better this nation instead of always trying to blame another for what happens!

I think a lot of People that are commenting on this article,are mad and rightfully so, but think of what really is happening. Since the time of Our Country’s Beginnings, All Military, Police, And Government Officials, Including President,Congress,and Supreme Court Justices Take an Oath and swear to Protect and Defend the Constitution from all Enemies foreign and domestic . An enemy is someone that is doing just the opposite By attacking or denying the rights of the Constitution to U.S. Citizens by allowing anyone to change or not allow or making exceptions to Our Constitution is Breaking that Sworn Oath. and by us being The Guardians of this and still allow it to continue we are Telling the people the have fought and died for Keeping this oath. That they have Died in Vain. “Don’t Throw Your Pearls to Swine ” Semper Fidelis

this is something i would have expected from dick cheney not a patriotic america.

while we are glad this over you do realize this is the end of privacy in america

The police stumbled into this capture. They aren’t anything special. As a matter of fact, if not for the man that noticed his boat was occupied by a bloodied man, the police would have continued to consider Watertown safe.

This is the same ABC that had that heart tugging article yesterday on how much stress the Boston bombings were putting on the American Muslim community … apparently a more compelling concern to ABC than the stress on the family of the dead 8 year old, the families of the other three people dead so far, the families of those still fighting for their lives, and the families of those people who went to the marathon with two legs and came home with one or none.

It is so heartening to know we have a major network that cares so much about the poor victims, in this case the American Muslim community. And about making sure criminals have all their rights protected, so they are not impeded in killing children. Thank you, ABC, for being our conscience.

The very best way for Boston citizens to protect themselves and their families when terrorists are running through their neighborhoods armed with automatic weapons, grenades, and IEDs is to pass onerous gun control laws to make it very difficult to buy semi-automatic weapons. Any sensible Democrat will tell you plastic cutlery is protection enough. It should be obvious to everyone that I’m a charter member of Mensa International.

Who is Miranda ? Dont need one for these “kind” of people ? Ask them to watch 21Jumpstreet if they want the definition of the Miranda rights.

The Boston terrorism proves that America’s liberal policy of chain migration works. It’s very wrong to break up immigrant families. The GOP will pay the price in 2016 for being so critical of President Obama’s immigration policies. Even home-grown terrorists vote. Democrats win again.

no idea why so many ppls keep blahblah about the Miranda right while ignore the fact that the suspect was in serious condition when they captured him.What is the point of reading the right to some1,who’s in his/her worst condition and barely conscious??

Sites like this one are why I love the United States. Every idiot can spout whatever he or she wants short of treason or a violation of the “clear and present danger” rule or “hate speech” and so forth (Gee, look at all the Court certified restrictions on “free speech”). I would venture that 99% of these comments are next to useless simply because they are either illogical or they misstate the law, and that more than 99% of you are not lawyers nor have any training in Constitutional Law so that comments you make about the Constitution are either repeats of Faux News’ foolishness or St, Lush of the Humbug’s fantasies. Good grief people, there are many exceptions to the First, Fourth, Fifth, and Eighth Amendments, and the body of the Constitution is continually being re-examined and re-interpreted by the Courts. So the best thing for you to do is to shut up about things you don’t know anything about, rather than to put your massive ignorance on display. Not all opinions are worthwhile. Unless, of course, you want to provide fodder for the comedians on late night commercial television or on cable networks. Give it a rest, folks. There is too much noise in the universe already.

Jenny, Safety exception says immediate threat. This guy will not be questioned for days. He is considered innocent until proven guilty. This is what is wrong with our country. Media always tries to show defendent in a guilty way. Just hope you are never in a situation where you are innocent, but media portrays you as guilty. How many people have been exonerated in the last few years and these are the people that have been proven innocent through science. I will save my opinion until I hear all the evidence.

So why even have the Miranda? What apprehension and conviction of any criminal is not related to public safety?

I am truly fearful that the day may be coming soon when I can be arrested and tortured for any transgression. People are fools if you think that that can never happen here. Many people also thought 9/11 would never happen here. The Senator that suggested that a 19 year boy be held as an enemy combatant should step down immediately, better yet, he should be impeached.

The FBI is NOT working outside the constitution. They are actually following it to a T. They are using it wisely and legally. Read the New York v. Quarles case….

Posted by: Alex | April 20, 2013, 5:48 am 5:48 am

One of the Chechen terrorists who carried out the Boston Marathon bombings could have been deported years ago after a criminal conviction.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the 26-year-old killed in a wild shootout with police, was a legal U.S. resident who nevertheless could have been removed from the country after a 2009 domestic violence conviction. That means the Obama administration missed an opportunity to deport Tsarnaev but evidently didn’t feel he represented a big enough threat.

In 2011, President Obama’s FBI failed to thoroughly investigate Tsarnaev at the request of the Russian government, allowing him to remain in the country.

In 2012, Tsarnaev flew in and out of John F. Kennedy Airport and was out of the country for six months. President Obama’s INS never bothered to escalate any concerns about Tsarnaev’s unusually long absence, his prior criminal conviction, or the fact that his destination (Moscow, Russia) is in close proximity to numerous terrorist training camps. Federal investigators now want to know if Tsarnaev received any terror training while he was overseas, a question they should have been asking last year.

Despite the United States operating in a post-9/11 reality, the incompetence of both the FBI and the INS, coupled with the reluctance of the Obama administration to deport him despite a prior criminal conviction, gave Tsarnaev plenty of time to plan and execute the Boston Marathon terrorist attack.

This is a top of the line administration whose immigraton policies are keeping Americans safer by promoting lax enforcement, amnesty, and chain migration.

As a member of the gay community I hope to further equality in the Republican Party as well.

Don’t you Right Wing idiots know how to look stuff up?!?!? The public safety exception has been the law of the land since the REAGAN administration, when the Supreme Court ruled it legal:

“The “public safety” exception to Miranda is a powerful tool with a modern application for law enforcement. When police officers are confronted by a concern for public safety, Miranda warnings need not be provided prior to asking questions directed at neutralizing an imminent threat, and voluntary statements made in response to such narrowly tailored questions can be admitted at trial. Once the questions turn from those designed to resolve the concern for safety to questions designed solely to elicit incriminating statements, the questioning falls outside the scope of the exception and within the traditional rules of Miranda.” (FBI website)

I think it’s pathetic that some people are trying to use this situation to take a craven swipe at Obama and Liberals. Clearly these losers have nothing better to do than sit around and whine, whine, whine, about everything Obama. Regardless of the facts. Or the situation. Or history. Or the law. Or common sense. Or common decency…………..

Better yet, if you spot a terrorist hiding in your boat and he sees you, just urinate or vomit on him. It’ll save your life.

Posted by: Jenny | April 20, 2013, 11:58 am 11:58 am

I know, isn’t this whole tragedy so funny?

Posted by: Michelle Shu Jas | April 20, 2013, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

Those two ideas were part of a sensible and serious advisory written by the University of Colorado to help women fend off an attacker. I thought they were brilliant suggestions. Democrats have many other great ideas, which is why the GOP is doomed in 2016.

In 2005, Governor Mitt Romney tried to get Massachusetts to reinstate the Death Penalty, but democrats in that state shot it down.
I bet they’re regretting that now.

“OMG” we didn’t read him his rights. I guess we got to let him go now.

They had a picture and went on a shooting spree because he and his brother were labeled “terrorists”.

Posted by: ‘MERICA F YEAH | April 20, 2013, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

Didn’t they also have a dead policeman at MIT and a highjacked vehicle?

Amendment by amendment are going in the shredder bin. It’s frightening and sickening.

When you start terrorizing the nation and bombing people, you surrender some of your rights. It is similar to the right to bear arms, felons do not have this right. The right to live where you want, sex offenders do not have this right. The decided not to read him his miranda rights because, if there is something they truly need to know, such as more bombings, he does not have the right to keep quiet about it. These two were seen in the videos, they were in one video seen laying a backpack down, the one victim standing next to a blown backpack, woke up from anesthesia and said the one man looked dead at him. These two also stole a car, shot at police officers and killed a mit officer. It isn’t only about the bombings, there is more story than the two bombs. They also, have 3 others in custody, who live in the same building as one of the boys and were seen on the footage carrying backpacks as well. I would hope, that if someone is bombing people and terrorizing this country, that some of their “rights” would be waived. They gave those up when they started killing people. And the argument about “well, lets just waive all our rights when they feel like it”, that isn’t a valid argument. They arent doing this when they just feel like it. they are doing this for the wellbeing of the nation as a whole.

Posted by: Stacy | April 20, 2013, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

Your points are interesting but the bottom line is there is a legal basis for what is being done and it’s called the public safety exception.

Only in America does the rights of the bad guy trump justice for the victims…

Wow most of you people need to quit watching Flocks News. Miranda Rights only protect you from them using a confession or verbal evidence some one gives from being used in a trial. Answering question about who else is involved or is there more bombs planted. Even if he does confess with out his right being read they have more then enough evidence to convict him. If there are more people involved and they act on innocent people you people will be the first to blame the government for not doing more. You can’t have it both ways.

Obama and his associates wrapped a cloak of secrecy around themselves concerning Fast and Furious……

Posted by: madnessofjack | April 20, 2013, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

We know all of the information about how Fast and Furious was put together, who carried it out and how it was terminated and by whom. We know all of the details. Issa wanted to pry into White House communications after that time period to see if he could find any dirt. It’s what is commonly referred to as a political fishing expedition, and it had nothing to do with the evolution and ending of Fast and Furious.

By the way, Fast and Furious was put in place by holdovers from the Bush administration – the same people who put in place Operation Wide Receiver – the first gun walking program – and the first to ‘lose’ weapons in Mexico.

By the way, Fast and Furious was put in place by holdovers from the Bush administration – the same people who put in place Operation Wide Receiver – the first gun walking program – and the first to ‘lose’ weapons in Mexico.

Posted by: Dan | April 20, 2013, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

LIES!!!

“The Fast and Furious program was started in October 2009, nine months into the Obama presidency.” – Jake Tapper, ABC News

If Obama could have pinned the botched operation on Bush, he would have.

“[Instead, in June 2012,] Obama invoked executive privilege over documents at the center of the stand-off between Attorney General Eric Holder and Rep. Darrell Issa, the Republican chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee investigating the Justice Department’s “Fast and Furious” program.

Issa and Republicans on the committee believe the as yet undisclosed information is critical to understanding how the administration responded to the unfolding scandal surrounding program that allegedly allowed U.S. weapons to cross the border into Mexico in order to track gun runners. One of the weapons was later found to be used in the shooting death of a U.S. border patrol agent.” – Jake Tapper, ABC News

To this day, the Fast and Furious records remain sealed.

To this day, the Fast and Furious records remain sealed.

Posted by: Ed | April 20, 2013, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

Absolute nonsense. Have you read the report from Issa’s committee? Issa is a Republican

From his report . ..

“The ATF Phoenix Field Division began Operation Fast and Furious in the fall of 2009 after suspicious weapons purchases led agents to the discovery of an apparent Phoenix-based arms trafficking syndicate”

The ATF Phoenix Field Division are exactly the same people who began the gun walking approach under Bush.

This guy lost all his rights when he planted a bomb that killed three people and severely wounded 170.

Terrorists do not have the same rights as every day, run of the mill criminals and I for one am thankful for that! Every bit of information they can get from this terrorist, may prevent another terrorist from having a chance to plant a bomb that could take more innocent lives.

For all you touchy feely people who are screaming that this is illegal, that is just too bad. You are either part of the solution or you have become part of the problem. There is no gray area anymore.

Posted by: Ron | April 20, 2013, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

If Obama could have blamed Bush for Fast and Furious he wouldn’t have sealed the records at Eric Holder’s request. Obama is a liar, and so are you.

If Obama could have blamed Bush for Fast and Furious he wouldn’t have sealed the records at Eric Holder’s request. Obama is a liar, and so are you.

Posted by: Alex | April 20, 2013, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

I didn’t post any lies at all. I just pointed out what is in Issa’s Republican committee report.

Those Republican congressional investigators placed much of the blame for the ATF “Fast and Furious” scandal on at least three Justice Department officials and five ATF agents – particularly then-Special Agent in Charge in the Phoenix division William Newell,

The same ATF Special Agent in Charge, Bill Newell, supervised the Bush era Wide Receiver gunwalking operation.

Easy to define. We’re the ones who use the word “gay” as a smear against conservatives when we’re losing an argument.

Posted by: fox free | April 20, 2013, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

I did it at 3:33pm. I really don’t like dissent. I’m hopeful President Obama will repeal the First Amendment and send dissenters to political prisons. If Cuba and Venezuela can do it, why can’t we?

The only reason Obama, the most transparent president in world history, sealed the Fast and Furious documents from Congress is to cover up a scandal.

Posted by: Alex | April 20, 2013, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

Nonsense. The documents relating to the formation and the conduct of Fast and Furious were provided to Issa’s committee. Issa was on a political fishing expedition for documents after the program was shut down. There was no cover-up of the specifics of the program at all.

That’s why Issa’s committee was able to describe exactly how Fast and Furious was put together, conducted and ended.

Those Republican congressional investigators placed much of the blame for the ATF “Fast and Furious” scandal on at least three Justice Department officials and five ATF agents – particularly then-Special Agent in Charge in the Phoenix division William Newell,

The same ATF Special Agent in Charge, Bill Newell, supervised the Bush era Wide Receiver gunwalking operation.

Issa’ search for later documents was a political fishing expedition.

If Obama could have blamed Bush for Fast and Furious

Posted by: Alex | April 20, 2013, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

Nobody is ‘blaming Bush”. It’s just a fact that Fast and Furious was run by the same holdovers from the Bush administration that put together Operation Wide Receiver – the first operation to allow gun walking and lost guns in Mexico.

People of heinous crimes should be subject to public stoning.

Posted by: JEFF | April 20, 2013, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm

Sounds like its time you immigrated to some foreign country where the government does this sort of thing.

That’s one of those gutless technicalities

Posted by: TexBork_2013 | April 20, 2013, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm

What is?

What can it be called but “bizarre.” The same pieces of garbage who last week were waving an absurdly contorted version of the Constitution last week for discussion of background checks are now giddily trampling the Constitution in pursuit of their pound of flesh.

Hypocrisy is the unofficial expertise of the American Right. How sad and ironic it is that those who boast of being patriotic so casually dispense of America’s highest and most unique principles the instant they become inconvenient. If only they were capable of shame, embarrassment or conscience.

@ To the crazy person who keeps quoting NY vs Quarles…..

THERE IS NO THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY. The bombs have already gone off, his brother is dead, and he is in critical condition in the hospital. Where is the “imminent threat” requirement? The police themselves already told the public that it’s safe, and that it’s okay to go back to normal.

HE IS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, and has the right to due process. If we allow the authorities to torture this American, then what’s to stop them from doing this to other Americans? You may not care about his rights, but what about your rights, or your family’s? Allowing the government to “make exceptions” to the law, whenever it’s inconvenient for them, will open the floodgates to even more violations of our rights.

I DON’T KNOW IF HE IS GUILTY. Just because the media says he is guilty, doesn’t make it true. He could have been running from the police for a different reason. That’s why we have courts to examine the actual evidence, and get to the bottom of it.

Is it time to just amend the current system of U.S. law to express that… any individual that employs terrorism or conspires to use a weapon in the commitment of a crime or an assault upon another individual, shall forfeit their presumption of innocence status…
Since those that have chosen the path of terrorism or determine to use a weapon have abused their Constitutional rights in their illegal act, and therefore made the decision to give up their right to a presumption of innocence status.

This is stupid. The kid grew up here. He knows the Miranda rights. Read them to him; don’t create pointless potential problems for no reason.

It may be that they want to be sure there is no other people out there that these two creeps were associated with. IF he was only into this with his moron brother, then yeah, we have to give him his rights (much as it makes me sick to say that). I think that they want to correct this as soon as possible, but the FBI would be remiss if they didn’t check this angle first. Lawyering-up could cost lives. It happens enough when murders and others get out on parole and go and kill witnesses and finish other jobs. The lawyers never seem to have to answer for that.

I don’t see that anyone else has mentioned this, but I see multiple postings talking about consitutional amendments. The Miranda rights are not in the Constitution. They are based on judicial review, just like the exception is.

@Sherree

You’re right, but you’re also wrong. The Miranda warning isn’t found in the Constitution however, the Miranda is based off of the Constitution. Judicial reviews are based on the Constitution since the Supreme Court is not a legislative body, and is not given any legislative powers by the very document they are to review. So, the judicial review made by the Supreme Court is an interpretation of the Constitution and the amendments in it. The rights given to suspects by the Miranda is an extension of our 5th Constitutional Amendment which is found in the Bill of Rights, owing to its importance in preserving the people’s unalienable rights. The 5th Amendment is an important amendment because it prevents the government from trampling the rights of the accused or of the people in a legal procedure. The clause that is supplemented by the Miranda is the “Self-incrimination clause”, which states that “[No person] shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.” If a suspect is thought of having been deprived of his/her Miranda rights, then it would mean that his/her 5th Amendment right was violated and by extension, his/her Constitutional rights. And that Sherree is what the people in here including me have been arguing about.

all the amateur lawyers here. yak yak yaking about something they don’t really know much about nor fully understand.

miranda rights are violated all the time. miranda rights deal with the right to remain silent, the right to have an attorney present for questioning, and the right against self incrimination. giving miranda rights preserve the admissibility of suspects’ statements against themselves in criminal proceedings. the only penalty for violation of miranda rights, is that the information gained from violation, or the fruits from that information gained, ie the fruits of the poisonous tree, can’t be used against the person who had his miranda rights violated.

they’ve got plenty of other evidence against the suspect that they don’t need to use anything he says against himself. so it’s not going to jeopardize their case, and they might get good info on possible others involved. using the public safety exception is basically just window dressing in this case.

He is in critical condition which basically means he has one foot practically in the grave already. If he lives he will not tell I am sure of it. He will eventually pass on and take his motive with him to the grave and we will be left with speculations and guesses as to whom and why. this wlill no doubt fuel the conspiracy theoriists.. and we may never know th real truth just half truths…

Personally a traitor to his country has no rights. One who commits atrocities as this deserves none. However, really I don’t get the Miranda rights not being read right away. Also, we the people have had enough to the Democrats and Republicans from a average American do the right thing and don’t make this a political hot potato. We know he is a terrorist saw it on TV, it has been proven his brother was on the watch list in countries and we were told about it, Yes it definitely took more than two to get all this training and cruelty so anyone who says they see no other affiliations is a idiot. We are watching to see everyone do the right thing for this country and go after their affiliations. This must stop. Last I thought everyone had to have Miranda rights read this doesn’t sound right. IT is my understanding the Miranda Law was done for a purpose.

Let me ask all of you people who seem to think Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, an AMERICAN CITIZEN, who according to AMERICAN LAW, is INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty, does NOT have Miranda RIGHTS.

Was Eric Rudolph read Miranda rights? He bombed the 1996 Atlanta OLYMPICS, and evaded capture for FIVE (5) years before he was finally apprehended.

Was this “public safety exception” used for him? HOW did law enforcement know he didn’t have any other bombs planted anywhere else after 5 years?

And what about the infamous Ted Kaczynski?

Was HE read Miranda rights? YES, he was.

WHY wasn’t this “public safety exception” used in his case?

He MAILED SIXTEEN (16) bombs, over a period of SEVENTEEN (17) years and nobody locked down a CITY or evoked any “public safety exception” to Constitution RIGHTS in his case.

You people are SO BRAINWASHED that you don’t even realize that these 2 Boston bombing suspects were rank amateurs compared to Erich Rudolph and Ted Kaczynski, yet you seem to think they are the most dangerous men on the face of the Earth.

A wise man once said, “Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.”

Will Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be denied his Miranda Rights if he asks for his lawyer even if not read his rights? It is a like “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”! Interesting conundrum!

Where did these guys get there guns that they used to kill the Police Office and have those big gun fights with police? And why did we just vote down background checks?

“And why did we just vote down background checks?” – Bereal

Because background checks don’t stop people like the Tsarnaev Bros from getting guns.
They only harass good citizens.

“when things are more difficult, only the most persistent will keep trying,” – Yo Duh

So you admit that with stronger gun control more citizens will not be persistent enough to arm themselves and protect their homes form the likes of persistent folk like the Tsarnaev Bros.

Thank you for validating my point.

Well McVeigh and Terry Nichols were given their Miranda rights after they killed 168 people, including 19 children under the age of 6 and they injured more than 680 people in the Oklahoma City bombing. Where is the difference between the two? The body count maybe?

Although some people have already pointed it out before, I think it needs to be said again: Reading the Miranda rights is not the act that grants those rights. Those rights are granted by the constitution, and can be invoked by the suspect at any time. The reading of the rights is simply to make people aware of their rights.

And stripping rights of the accused is definitely a slippery slope, no matter how serious the crime. Not only does it run afoul of the whole concept of innocent until proven guilty, but think about it: if you happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time when a terrorist act was committed (say being seen in a video leaving the scene immediately prior to an explosion), you would need those rights to protect you from being wrongly convicted and possibly executed for a crime you didn’t commit.

Our criminal justice system was designed to do the best job possible of protecting the rights of the innocent while prosecuting the guilty. It has worked well in the past with several instances of domestic terrorism (Atlanta, Oklahoma City, etc.) and it will continue to work in the future. Let’s let it do it’s job here.