EmailABC News’ Sunlen Miller and Jeff Zeleny report:
The day of reckoning is Wednesday for the embattled Manchin-Toomey background check provision and a myriad of other gun amendments, including a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity clips.
The outcome of which will determine the fate of the biggest gun control legislation the Senate will vote on in two decades.
A 4 p.m. vote on the Manchin-Toomey amendment will kick off the votes.
The amendment, proposed this past week as a bipartisan compromise from Sen. Joe Manchin, a Democrat from West Virginia, and Sen. Pat Toomey, a Republican from Pennsylvania, always faced an uphill climb to pass in the Senate.
But the first real signs of trouble came Monday when a vote on the amendment was delayed from being formally scheduled when it was clear that the votes were not yet there for it to pass. By Tuesday, momentum seemed to slip away bit-by-bit when a few senators key to the outcome of the vote, including Sen. Dean Heller, R-Nev., Sen. John Hoeven, R-N.D., and Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., announced that they could not vote for the bill.
The amendment will need 60 votes to pass. And as of tonight, the votes are not there yet.
When Manchin was asked by ABC News if he had 60 votes locked down, he said: “We need more than we have.”
Sen. Mark Kirk of Illinois, one of the Republican supporters for expanding background checks, said he was still working to win over some Republican senators. When asked if his side had enough votes to pass the amendment, he said: “We are not ready for a vote.”
The vote will be razor thin – so thin that neither side was sounding confident.
There are three Republican senators and four Democratic senators believed still undecided — John McCain, R-Ariz., Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., Mary Landrieu, D-La., Mark Begich D-Alaska, Heidi Heitkamp, D-N.D., and Mark Pryor, D-Ark.
Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., was seen as a wild card because, although he supports the amendment, he has been ill and home in New Jersey. Aides said Lautenberg “hopes” to get back for the vote Wednesday.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., sounded a bit resigned Tuesday when he defended the bill’s momentum while, in the same breath, admitting that the votes may not be there. Regardless, he said, gun control supporters have the “wind at our back.”
President Obama made calls to the few undecided senators Tuesday, ABC News’ Jonathan Karl reported. A White House official said there still was a path to 60 votes but conceded it is “a narrow path.”
Yet the situation remained fluid, Republican and Democratic aides told ABC News, and either outcome was possible when the voting was to begin at 4 p.m. on Wednesday.
Following the Manchin-Toomey amendment vote, the Senate will vote on at least eight other gun amendments, all of which matter to the debate. They included voting up or down on an assault weapons ban, the issue of concealed carry, a high-capacity clip ban and mental health provisions.
Great news, we do not need gun control we need our rights restored, Constitutional carry, and NO gun free zones. I will not enter a gun free zone until I absolutely have no choice… That is the dumbest thing on the planet, someone who is going to MURDER people doesn’t give a crap about breaking another law, they do care about ARMED resistance is the only thing they are about
Posted by: Robert | April 16, 2013, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
More gun control will never pass the House, and for those that vote for it, they will be unseated from office like they were in 1994 when the GOP took control of Congress.
Did you know Obamacare requires that everyone be implanted with a tracking chip, this fact has been kept silent until now. The government says the chip is necessary for the safety all Americans and to make it easier for the IRS to identify people not in the Obamacare system so they can be rounded-up. This is going to come as a real surprise to some people but the warnings have been out there for many months now.
Posted by: BK RIDER II | April 17, 2013, 2:31 am 2:31 am
It is a MAGAZINE. Why is that so difficult for the media to comprehend? Clips are small metal strip devices that wrap around the rim of cartridges so they can be used to load magazines. This is the problem with the media. They don’t bother caring about the details, but that doesn’t stop them from reporting anyway.
Posted by: Matthew | April 17, 2013, 5:10 am 5:10 am
We need pressure cooker registration and regulation NOW!
Posted by: Kev | April 17, 2013, 8:11 am 8:11 am
WE don’t need legislation that demonstrates contempt for the Bill of Rights and does not solve problems of violence in this country just to placate gun control fantasies. Too many men died securing our rights and we don’t need to cheaply throw those rights away.
Posted by: Perplexed | April 17, 2013, 8:33 am 8:33 am
The Senate can do as it pleases. The problem is the “do nothing” House, controlled by the republicans.
All this effort is in vain. The legal system is the answer, as it was with cigarettes, dangerous toys and shoddy cars.
Posted by: tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 10:21 am 10:21 am
BKRIDER II
Do you also believe in Bigfoot? Wheres your proof that were all going to have to have tracking chips. It sounds like another death commiteee accustaion to me.
Get over it. Obamacare is the law of the land.
More and more states are signing on because they know it will save billions in the long term. We can’t continue to pay health care costs for 50,000,000 people who have no coverage and wait until they’re almost dead to see a doctor.
Posted by: tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 10:26 am 10:26 am
tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 10:26 am —- Whatever, Obamacare costs continue to surpass his estimates and we haven’t even scratched the surface yet.
The Hill: “”"Setting up the central piece of President Obama’s healthcare law has cost the administration more than twice as much as originally intended.
The Health and Human Services Department (HHS) said in budget documents Wednesday that it expects to spend $4.4 billion by the end of this year on grants to help states set up new insurance exchanges. HHS had estimated last year that the grants would cost $2 billion.
The department also is asking Congress for another $1.5 billion to help set up federally run exchanges in states that do not establish their own.
Posted by: Commonsenseparty | April 17, 2013, 10:39 am 10:39 am
tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 10:26 am —- You do realize most people will not take advantage of preventative care as many do not like going to the doctor when they are not sick? Obamacare is a joke and every single media story is proving it. Every new CBO estimate proves it. Have you seen what they are taxing as medical devices ? Let me give you the IRS Publication: “Chapter 5 of IRS Publication 510″ And WALLAH! What do I find under “MEDICAL DEVICES” under “MANUFACTURERS TAXES”?
Manufacturers Taxes
The following discussion of manufacturers taxes applies to the tax on:
Sport fishing equipment;
Fishing rods and fishing poles;
Electric outboard motors;
Fishing tackle boxes;
Bows, quivers, broadheads, and points;
Arrow shafts;
Coal;
Taxable tires;
Gas guzzler automobiles; and
Vaccines.
Posted by: Commonsenseparty | April 17, 2013, 10:42 am 10:42 am
“First, I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits — either now or in the future,” said President Obama about health care reform on September 9th of 2009. “I will not sign it if it adds one dime to the deficit, now or in the future, period. And to prove that I’m serious, there will be a provision in this plan that requires us to come forward with more spending cuts if the savings we promised don’t materialize.”
Well, according to the GAO, Obamacare is set to add $6.2 trillion to budget deficits. So, uh, where’s that provision for spending cuts?
Posted by: Commonsenseparty | April 17, 2013, 10:48 am 10:48 am
The GAO report is essentially the first attempt to isolate and calculate Obamacare’s impact on the deficit beyond the traditional ten-year budget window. …
The baseline scenario is far more optimistic, largely because it does not take into account the concerns — expressed by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) Trustees, and Medicare’s chief actuary — about “whether certain cost-containment mechanisms included in PPACA can be sustained over the long term.”
The alternative scenario, which incorporates the more realistic “alternative projections” suggested by CBO, the CMS trustees, and the chief Medicare actuary, is even more dire. Under this scenario, the “primary deficit” increases by 0.7 percent of GDP over the 75-year period. The GAO does not put a dollar value on that figure, but Senate Budget Committee staff has calculated, and GAO has confirmed, that it would amount to a $6.2 trillion increase in the federal deficit.
Posted by: Commonsenseparty | April 17, 2013, 10:49 am 10:49 am
COMMONSENSE
The CBO says Obamacare will save 400 billion dollars over the next 20 years. It’s costing more now, to set up the system and move people into Medicare.
You won’t have to pay a medical tax for your fishing pole, you won’t have to have a chip imbedded in your rear, and there won’t be death committees.
Obamacare is a start to get health care costs, which despite the republican shell game about “entitlements” (which I have paid for since I was 15) to get health care costs under control and to stop them from bankrupting our country.
The President should have named it the Romney Affordable Care Act because it does the same thing as the plan in Massachusetts which is working fine. Take the word Obama off of it and the republicans would love it.
What is the republican plan? They’ve proposed some half-assed ideas that would give control to the health insurance companies , that would create more monopolies, and cost us all more money.
Posted by: tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 10:59 am 10:59 am
tmferreti: slavery was the law of the land once. Do we just roll over and play dead because obamacare happens to be the law right now? If we can’t afford it we can’t afford it. Would you rather bankrupt the country because it happens to be the law of the land?
Posted by: Perplexed | April 17, 2013, 11:04 am 11:04 am
“entitlements” (which I have paid for since I was 15)
POSTED BY: TMFERRETTI | APRIL 17, 2013, 10:59 AM 10:59 AM
Have you ever sat down and added up what you ACTUALLY paid in for Medicare? How many MONTHS of Medicare payouts would it take for you to get back every penny you paid in (including any amount added for imputed interest)?????
Posted by: deanbob | April 17, 2013, 11:15 am 11:15 am
tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 10:59 am —- I won’t pay the fishing pole tax, but the manufacture will and where do you think they will recoup that cost? I gave you the link from Obamacare to the IRS on medical excise taxes and those are listed. Do you not see a problem with that? Obama lied his arse off to get it passed and I can promise you Obamacare is nowhere near deficit neutral as promised. I can already cite the GAO report I gave you. We haven’t even begun to pay the cost yet.
Posted by: Commonsenseparty | April 17, 2013, 11:17 am 11:17 am
Would you rather bankrupt the country because it happens to be the law of the land?
POSTED BY: PERPLEXED | APRIL 17, 2013, 11:04 AM 11:04 AM
By any reasonable business standard, we’re already bankrupt. Many economists laugh (roll on the floor) at those who think we’re going to turn this ship around!
Posted by: deanbob | April 17, 2013, 11:18 am 11:18 am
PERPLEXED
You republicans must be reading the Guide to Obamacare put out by the health insurance industry and the tea party.
It’s the biggest piece of propaganda since Joseph Goebbels.
“Goebbels rose to power in 1933 along with Hitler and the Nazi Party and he was appointed Propaganda Minister. One of his first acts was the burning of books. He exerted totalitarian control over the media, arts and information in Germany”.
The health insurance companies stand to lose billions which they have been ripping off the American people and lose their monopoly. It’s too bad a lot of republicans buy into their BS.
Obamacare will not bankrupt the country, continueing to do nothing, which is the republican plan, will
Posted by: tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 11:20 am 11:20 am
Posted by: deanbob | April 17, 2013, 11:18 am 11:18 am
It’s true, the dollar is on the verge of being destroyed. You should invest heavily in gold…….LOL!!
Posted by: thre end of the dog is coming | April 17, 2013, 11:22 am 11:22 am
tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 10:59 am — You do realize that health care costs cannot bankrupt our country so long as we as citizens are paying for it right? The only way it can bankrupt the country is programs like Obamacare where the government pays the costs. Obamacare subsidizes low income families with our tax dollars. Now, I only have 3 major problems with that. 1) Health care costs will continue to go up, not down. 2) Now, we pay high health care costs and more taxes to subsidize more health care. 3) Our government is running the program. I tend not to trust our government, especially given the FACT they have stolen from our Social Security funds. What we WILL see is higher costs and lower quality in our system.
Posted by: Commonsenseparty | April 17, 2013, 11:23 am 11:23 am
tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 11:20 am wrote: “”"”"The health insurance companies stand to lose billions which they have been ripping off the American people and lose their monopoly. “”"”"” Please explain how if Obamacare will add millions of people to insurance and then they receive big fat government checks? The 80/20% rule won’t hurt them. So how are they going to lose billions?
Posted by: Commonsenseparty | April 17, 2013, 11:28 am 11:28 am
COMMONSENSE
Did you know that the health insurance industry is the only legal monopoly in this country?
The exchanges will provide some competition
Fifty million people in this country get free health care now. At least under Obamacare the majority of them will have to pay something. Look at Massachusetts, it works.
It’s hard to debate when the other side sits on the sidelines and never provides any solutions or ideas. I’m sure there are some by the republicans but they are never presented because they are so ridiculous.
Posted by: tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 11:48 am 11:48 am
tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 11:48 am — Tom Coburn’s Patient Choice Act. The Democrats, nor yourself, didn’t even try to read it as they passed their agenda. If the insurance industry is a monopoly, so is the car industry, and any other industry. There are hundreds of insurance companies vying for our money and now Obamacare money. That’s not a monopoly.
coburn.senate.gov/public/?p=Healthcare
Posted by: Commonsenseparty | April 17, 2013, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 11:48 am —- so your expectation is our insurance premiums will go down? That’s what Obama promised for a typical family of 4.
Posted by: Commonsenseparty | April 17, 2013, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Sen. Manchin and Sen. Toomey will be voted out of office along with any others that vote for more suppression of gun owners civil rights. It happened in 1994 and it will happen again. Background checks would not have stopped Adam Lanza, but voting for more gun control will unseat those in Congress that want to infringe on the civil rights of American gun owners.
Posted by: BK RIDER II | April 17, 2013, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
The American voter will also unseat all the Democrats in Congress that voted for Obamacare. The so called “Affordable Care Act” is anything but affordable. The law is already a ‘Train Wreck’ and hundreds of billions of dollars over budget. One study concluded that by 2016 FEWER Americans will have healthcare insurance than today. Also the IRS will be seizing the paychecks and bank accounts of millions of middle class Americans who still won’t be able to afford to buy insurance.
Posted by: BK RIDER II | April 17, 2013, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
According to the left wing zealots we have in politics…….
We’re not supposed to judge all Muslims by the acts of a few “crazies”.
But the acts of a few American “crazies” is enough to judge all Americans who own guns
Posted by: swing | April 17, 2013, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
Quote
“Health care agencies are falsely assumed to be part of the free-market when in fact, they lack the defining factors of such.
Managed Care Organizations drive the state of health care, decide who, when, and where care should be provided and encourage doctors to make decisions that they would not normally make. These organizations, mostly insurance companies, run the system and make choices that are not always best for the buyer, but best for themselves – the opposite of true free market businesses.”
Did you also know that the health care industry is second only to the oil industry in profits.
Posted by: tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
BKRIDER
Beginning this year Obamacare will go fully into effect., then you’ll see costs slowly coming down as the CBO says they will. It will be a success story as it is in Massachusetts.
We won’t be paying the full cost od 50,000, 000 people and there will be a choice in health care insurance. You’ll see commercils on TV for health care just as we see hundreds of commercials today for the cheapest car insurance.
COMMONSENSE
I’ve read the Toomey plan. “patients choce” the only choice is which company gets to rip you off the most. I’m talking about serious ideas to lower health care costs for everyone. Where are those ideas. No republican on this blog has given any.
What do you want to implement?
Posted by: tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 12:31 pm —- Now, the government will make that decision for them. Nice. Do you know what the profit margin was for the insurance industry last year? Now, what was the profit margin of McDonald’s?
Posted by: Commonsenseparty | April 17, 2013, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
“”God help us” if we don’t act on gun violence, Manchin says”
How about this?
“God help us if we start running around trying to pass laws that make absolutely no sense and will do absolutely no good in the name of “doing what’s right”, instead of focusing on the real issues.”
The country is suffering from a dismal lack of morals and good judgement, most of which were caused by leftist liberals poking “what is right” down our throats.
You want all of your liberal views implemented in order to “advance civilization”, but what you are really doing is destroying it.
There are some things that are just wrong. Abortion on demand as a means of birth control. Allowing so much blatant sex and violence on television and in video games. Racial and minority rights at the expense of the majority. Gay marriage, which attacks the very fiber of Christianity. Poo-pooing Christianity itself.
You say that you want a country with a stong moral code of ethics, but put down any and all morals that you encounter.
You’re hypocrits.
Now, your target is the second amendment. Again, you’re targeting something of which you have no knowledge or understanding, but doing it in the name of “what’s right”.
Well, you’re wrong.
Posted by: Buck | April 17, 2013, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 12:41 pm —- Uh, Obamacare will not lower costs either. How do you know Coburn’s plan wouldn’t lower costs? One simple thing tothink about: Why do we require restaurants and bars to have a price list but not hospitals? Smething as simple as that would spark competition. Tom Coburn wrote a decent plan that wasn’t even looked at. Pelosi never really read Obamacare and yet passed it. You are dillusional if you believe Obamacare will lower health care costs.
Posted by: Commonsenseparty | April 17, 2013, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
COMMONSENSE
I know Coburns plan won’t lower costs because it does nothing to control the health insurance industries monopoly and allows them to set their own prices.
I know Obama care will, by giving people in every state a chance to select their own provider (not like under Coburn where the insurance commisions remain,controlled by the insurance industry which excludes most providers from selling in that state).
Also, when a person with no coverage goes in with a destroyed heart or liver and needs a $500, 000 transplant you and the people of your state pay for it through federal taxes.
If that person goes in early and the condition is caught in time, he/she might be helped with a $30 prescription. 2+2 = 4 is not delusional
Posted by: tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
Background checks should be expanded; but they won’t stop the gun violence in our neighborhoods. I am still saying it over and over. Here is my suggestion again: control of gun violence. The guns are not the problem. The problem are the people that uses the gun to do bodily harm to others. The problem is criminals that use the gun to prey on their chosen victims; that are usually unarmed.
THE PENALTY for using the gun against another person NEEDS TO BE MADE SO SEVERE, until a gun will be the last thing a person will want to use against another person. Lost of freedom and/or life is not something that anyone would want; even criminals. THE PENALTY should BE MANDATORY to have THE DESIRED IMPACT FOR ANY ILLEGAL USE OF FIREARMS.
Our police have rules of when and when not to use their firearms. Law abiding citizens that possess firearms are responsible gun owners and using their guns against another person other than in self defense is not something that usually happen. Criminals don’t have rules for using their guns. I feel it is time to take these criminals off the street and away from our society or make them think of other ways to attempt to take someones property or life. Give victims a chance to fight back; if they so desire.
My suggestion has nothing to do with what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary School. A person that goes to that extreme is ready and don’t mind dying. OUR STREETS are becoming UNSAFE; because of the criminals that prey on others to take their property and in the process will kill (Usually with a HAND gun) if that is what they feel should be done to accomplish their goals.
I suggest:
A person using a gun ILLEGALLY AND NOT in self defense that INJUREs another person should draw a MANDATORY LIFE sentence in prison.
A person using a gun ILLEGALLY AND not in self defense that kill another person should draw a MANDATORY LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE sentence.
A person using a gun ILLEGALLY AND NOT in self defense that kill two or more people, shall be put to death.
There should be much STIFFER PENALTIES for people using guns in the commission of any crime; even when no one is injured or killed.
IT’S THE PENALTY FOR ILLEGALLY USING A FIREARM THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. IT’S THE PENALTY! IT’S THE PENALTY! NOT THE GUN!
Thanks for your time.
Charles Harris
Retired US Army, SFC
Posted by: Charles | April 17, 2013, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 1:08 pm —- Under Obamacare, insurers set their own prices. What do you think drives your insurance premiums? Health care costs. As health care costs rise, so will your insurance premium. Obamacare does nothing to stop the rising cost of health care, which means insurance premiums will rise in direct relation to health care costs. You don’t seem to understand that concept. What we needed was health care reform, not insurance reform. Obamacare will for providers to accept lower payments or they will go out of business. That’s not competition, that’s government intervention. There’s a huge difference.
Posted by: Commonsenseparty | April 17, 2013, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 1:08 pm —– Going to the doctor for preventative measures is a great theory, but how many people actually want to go to the doctor when they are OK? I think it’s comical you simply dismiss the Coburn plan because you think the insurance companies are a monopoly.
Posted by: Commonsenseparty | April 17, 2013, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
COMMONSENSE
When any industry can prevent other companies from selling the same product they do in any state, they are a monopoly. That’s not competition and it’s a fact.
The republicans will do anything to protect the industry that supports them and finances the tea party. You know it, I know it, and the American people know it.
Nobody wants to go to a doctor, but when you’re in pain and can afford it or have access you’ll go. It’s much less expensive when people catch their health issues early.
Also, employers and citizens can go to the exchanges and shop for the best coverage for themselves or their company at the best price. As I said, next year you’ll see ads on TV for health insurance for reasonable prices, just like car insurance, it’s already started. In Massachusetts it’s been going on for years.
President Obama didn’t go to bed one night and have a dream about how to fix the health care problem. Many smart people were involved (except the republicans who chose not to participate because they knew the health insurance industry would take a hit). Those people knew initially it was going to cost more but in the long run it reduces the cost of health care in this country.
The only thing republicans don’t like about Obamacare is that it’s named Obamacare. They need to put away their blind, unreasonable hate for this President and focus on the merits. That ignorant hate makes their credibility non-existant.
Posted by: tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 1:47 pm —- And what I don’t like about Obamacare is EVERY SINGLE point of implementation to date has cost us more than the original estimate. Now that sounds like the government doesn’t it? Name one thing in Obamacare that has been implemented that beat the estimates?
Posted by: Commonsenseparty | April 17, 2013, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
COMMONSENSE
1. It extened Medicare for eight years.
2. No more of the BS about pre-existing conditions.
3. I got a check back from my insurance company for the money they didn’t use for heath care. They are required to use at least 80% of it for medical care.
4. Approximatly 50, 000, 000 million people who now are going to get coverage are people you and I won’t have to pay for anymore
Its like building a line of ships. The first in the class costs more but after that money is saved. 3 or 4 years from now the savings will be evident and we’ll elect Hillary.
Posted by: tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 2:02 pm — I’ve heard 2 peple make the claim of getting a check back, you and Barb. Have a nice day.
Posted by: Commonsenseparty | April 17, 2013, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 2:02 pm wrote: “”you and I won’t have to pay for anymore”"”"” Where do you think the government gets the money to subsidize those 50 million people? Out tax dollars. Please look over the new taxes in Obamacare. You might learn something.
Posted by: Commonsenseparty | April 17, 2013, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
” 3 or 4 years from now the savings will be evident and we’ll elect Hillary.”
You must be smoking crack, Obamacare is a Train Wreak and Hillary is done because she won’t be able to wash away the blood from her hands from the 4 brave Americans she allowed to killed by terrorists in Libya. 2016 will see the GOP regain the White House and Congress. The Liberal Democrats have made a huge mess that will take 30 years to clean-up.
Posted by: BK RIDER II | April 17, 2013, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
COMMONSENSE
You forget, Obamacare requires the 50,000, 000 to pay for their health care, out of their own pockets, not tax payer money.
I keep saying, look at Massachusetts to see how it works. They have more people covered, have the best but least expensive hospitals and medical universities in the world and the state’s health care costs are going down.
We’ll, I suspect Barb, as I do, pay for our own health care. Your employer probably got the check because technically he’s the provider even though you contribute. The total of those checks was about 50 billion dollars and will stop the insurance providers from using that money for company outings to Hawaii and new furniture for the executive lounge
Posted by: tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
BKRIDER
I heard the same thing last year. Ameicans aren’t buying into the republican war on the middle class.
They are fed up with the “do nothing” republicans in Congress. You don’t perform autopsies on a living, viable party. Even the republican leaders have termed the Party the Party of Stupid”.
Why would middle class Americans vote for a party that only supports the rich and big corporations and puts the burden on the middle class. Tell 50,000,000 old folks they need their Social Security and Medicare cut.
You republicans live in a fantasy world where everyone hates the President, you need to come to earth and cash a reality check.
Posted by: tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 2:56 pm —- Are you trying to say there is 50 million people that can afford health insurance and choosing not to have it? I call BS. That would mean 17% of Americans that can afford health insurance are simply deciding not to have it. Prove that.
Posted by: Commonsenseparty | April 17, 2013, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
COMMONSENSE
Thats exactly what I’m saying. Most of them want coverage but can’t afford it. Now they willl be able to because of the exchanges. Also their are a lot who can afford it; but refuse to pay.
Look around, how many people do you know that have sons or daughters they support and who have no coverage. When they get sick or have an accident, we pay for that care.
Posted by: tmferretti | April 17, 2013, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm