Everybody Has an Angle

What scientist will be able to prove our contribution to global warming without some centuries of data that hasn’t come to pass yet? Whomever takes credit for predicting global climate change based on human contribution to something that could possibly be as common as the solar eclipse, is no better than Aztec witch doctors requiriing human sacrifice to get a better harvist.

It does not matter how an increase in the greenhouse effect happened, either by humans or naturally. There is really nothing we can do about global warming except to simply learn to adapt to it like all other creatures do (think of survival of the fittest: polar bears will be extinct but frogs and lizards and other creatures will survive). Climates on earth have changed hundreds of times in its 4.5 billion year existence: just like the earth’s magnetic field, the earth’s tilt of its axis, and movement of the continents have changed over eons. Why should climate change be any different? The reason humans fear climate change is because we fear change itself. Nothing stays the same.

Gore says that there is an overwhelming consensus. All you have to do is watch ‘The Great Global Warming Swindle’ to see that the so-called consensus is absolutely not true. I-Gore’s science goes against science and in some areas is a fairy tale at best. AND I am an environmentalist who believes that we should take care of what we have but believe global warming is a cycle of warming and cooling that interplays with the sun and moon. Currently the sun’s activity, including shooting out Coronal Mass Ejections, is off the charts and shows no sign of stopping soon. All the fault lines are becoming active. All of the volcanoes are becoming active. Ice core samples have shown that it there were periods warmer than it is now when there was obviously not industry to pollute. There are areas where the vikings farmed that are currently under sheets and sheets of ice. AND the same weather and temp changes are occurring on the other planets in our solar system!!—must be our green house gases!! BS!! Gore, when vice president, fired scientists who showed him that this warming and cooling is cyclical–hurray for the scientific approach!! Gore is dumb but people are in awe of him only because he can mouth the words on the cue cards better than Bush! But they are both on the same team people–wake up!!

I love how the media reports on climate change. They always manage to dig up one guy who doesn’t support any aspect of current climate theory.
The problem is that scientists are not good at public speaking and don’t convey the message well. This being that humans are having an impact. When journalists or pundits say that there is a debate going on among scientists – they are correct. What they fail to mention is that 99% of scientist believe this is a real and pressing issue. The debate is to the degree of our impact.
And to Jim’s comment above: You are wrong. We’ve had human created problems in the past and fixed them. Thing about the ozone, polluted water supplies, and now even tainted food and toys. It’s remarkably easy to change and are we suffering at all for not having hairspray that pollutes or growing organic food?

Al Gore is certainly a master at convincing people that he is an expert on the subject. He is not only an expert, but is indeed a pompous, overbearing hypocrite. I do not doubt for a minute that the earth is warming. What I take exception to is having his half-baked ideas rammed down my throat as the gospel truth. And tell me again….what does his have to do with promoting peace?? What a crock.

While I find Mr. Gore interesting his documentary is not his, more accurately there are scientist and others that did the work, he narrated. Another point if find interesting/frustrating is that there were points that have been refuted by a court ruling in England as to falsehoods, and inaccurate claims made in the film, which is inaccurately billed as a documentary. I think that by awarding Mr. Gore the award it tarnishes that prize that much more.

Paul Krugman is the biggest horse’s petunia on two feet.
That guy and the truth do not even have a fleeting relationship

So, what possible motive would Gore have for creating a hoax on mankind? Why would a majority of scientists back the evidence of global warming? What would be their motive other than to inform the public? And what motive do you people have–who gleefully smear Gore and respected scientists? Why use so much energy to be naysayers? Are you yourselves scientists with better information? Are you all big investors in coal? oil? stockholders in Exxon? GM?
Let’s make some sense here, folks.

Whether or not Al Gore receives or deserves the Nobel prize has nothing to do with the science of global warming. Gore is not a scientist and doesn’t claim to be. He just translates it to a wider audience. If he gets some of the details wrong, that doesn’t change the facts themselves. The science behind human-caused global warming is still sound, regardless of what either Gore or the increasingly desperate denialists say.
As for “deserving” the Nobel peace prize – it’s their award and their money so they can give it to anyone they want. I assume they think as I do that limiting global warming will help reduce the number of future resource wars. If Al Gore has made that happen faster, then good for him.

I’m tired of hearing the great unwashed denigrating our scientists and deliberately mis-characterizing what people like Gore say. I’m really sick of it. I remember when these same idiots calling Gore disrespectfully calling him “ozone man”.
Now Gore’s film which tells these same idiots that our continued pollution of our planet might be something we might want to turn around. Gore further says we can get a clean planet and invent new technology and profit from making clean air and water. Only a damned fool doesn’t want clean air and water for his family.
Hearing the ill founded and boorish attacks on Gore & people who want good things for our country and the planet (clean air and water) doesn’t anger me like it used to. It ignites me to spread the word myself that having a clean place for my family and fellow citizens is a good idea. You really have to start ignoring these ignorant, vituperative people. I mean what reason on Earth do they have to continue pollution and all the ill effects of industrialization -if we can change the bad for good and profit y new tech that makes us all healthier instead of sicker?
I mean arguing for smog and more Superfund Dumps isn’t a winning argument for me. You can’t keep turning our planet into a dumpsite -there is just an end to it before circumstances get so bad, and there is no need for that. We need more leaders like Gore. Nay-saying damned fools wouldn’t do a thing about the environment until mass people are sick -if then.
Some people are just so smug and happy to listen to the oil company scientists obfuscate and flat out lie to let the oil drilling continue.
But I’m tired of listening to the liars who profit by the pollutions to make a fast buck- they have demonstrated decade after decade their disdain for any kind of environmental concerns.
Gore isn’t new to environmentalism- he has been doing it since the 70s and its high time he was recognized by the global community for trying to do whats right. The Nobel Peace Prize- you know how it must stick in the liars’ craw? The good guys won one.

There are a lot of ticked off people on this board. Cool yourselves down, All your hot air is contributing to Global Warming.

Imagine, if you will, Al Gore, a loser politician, suggesting that we need to change the climate – no less – to save the planet. Mankind can’t predict hurricanes nevermind change the climate of the entire earth. And Science can’t agree, contrary to that nit wits film, if man is heating up the planet and to what degree or whether it is a natural 1500 year cycle. After all, 30 years ago, science decided that we had to solve the catastrophic trend of Global Cooling. This is whole fiasco is totally amazing. Actually pathetic that as a people we are that intellectually bankrupt so as to enter Al Gore’s Big Tent and be sucked into his road show. You can’t make this stuff up. Rod Serling!! Are you listening to all this?

Bill from Seattle,
My word has nothing to do with it.
Every single thing I have posted is a documented fact.
Oh and those 18,000 scientists who put their names on the petition critizing current global warming reporting?
I guess they are all on Exxon’s payroll.
Gore makes up things and he is God.
People state facts to prove him wrong and we are gas guzzling, neo nazis who hate small animals and children.
I am fifty years old and one thing I have learned is this:
The people who think they know best for you are the most dangerous people walking the planet.
Oh wait….Al Gore doen’t walk, he flies a private jet!

Remember those huge lakes in North America, they’re called the Great Lakes and they are. They are the result of glaciers melting. Glaciers which must have been miles high. Something, lets call it heat, probably solar heat, caused all that melting of ice. And modern man wouldn’t gaze upon them , and certainly wouldn’t drive around their shores for eons. Are we so sure that we are doing this, we drivers, users of power, have, rather than have nots,ordinary citizens, rather than saintly treehuggers. What of the Africans propencity of cutting down every tree, or shrub, within sight? How about Nuke power plants? The French do quite well with them.

Always the same thing. Pollution is good. Change nothing. Then attack anyone that disagrees and isn’t a stooge like you are.
I’m so over you and people like you.
You know what? I think America is tired of opposite world lies from you and your ilk. I can’t wait til some grownups take over on the political scene in 08.
You can’t stomach anything good for America. But have no problem with America changing for the worse.
The lies are already falling on deaf ears… People are tired of being lied to.
08 is coming America will speak.
I can hear your wining already.
It’s music to my ears.

Gore is a hypocrite. Let him use the money from his prize to make his personal home and his company “green”. When he demonstrates by example what it takes to fix global warming, I’ll listen, but when news reports say his extra-large estate is using more energy than 10 average households I have a problem. Until he fixes his personal contribution to global warming, he is just spewing hot air and contributing to the problem he so fiercely tries to prove is real. Someone needs to tutor him on historical geology so he can learn about naturally occuring warming and cooling cycles. I for one strongly advocate environmentally friendly practices like energy saving bulbs, timers on my heating and hot water systems, doing most of my wash in cold water, recycling whatever I can and using public transportation. How about you, Al?

Al Gore is full of BS. Junk Science is all he has to base Global warming on. AL has and is a major stock holder for what major oil company? Find out the facts people. I’m not going to tell you, you won’t believe me, so go find the facts for yourself. Al Gore A Nobel Peace Prize winner? Thier is nothing Nobel about Al. Peace, of his stock options. Al Gore and Bill Clinton de-classified Goverment documents that now gives China and other countries missle launch distance to strike the USA, for money. Thats why Al went to China so many times while he worked for Bill. Find the facts people, don’t listen to a guy who people who went to school with him said, He was the kind of person who you can’t trust. Ever…A rose is a rose. Find the facts people.

Global warming is partly caused by humans, and it is partly due to a cyclical pattern we don’t fully understand yet. Regardless, cutting down on pollution overall is a good idea, it is logical and makes sense. I do agree with ex-republican on one thing absolutely, we need to get a new administration in the White House. Our current group is full of liars, like Bush and Cheney, and I am sick of them bankrupting the country I love. It will take a long time, ten or 20 years, to overcome the mess the Bush Administration has made of this country and the world, so hurry up Jan. 21. 2009!!!!!

BrianPCox..nothing can be done?? Actually nothing will be done! A hole in the ozone layer the size of Australia did not happen by itself, humans are ignorant and do not take care of thin gs that are not an immediate threat to them…well most anyway. The idea that nothing can be none is a very ignorant comment.

The Nobel committee appears at times to be desperate for nominees. In fact, I feel this has been one of those times. Al Gore couldn’t go forward in politics, is a major contributor to the gas crisis, depleting of the Ozone layer (see the facts on his home and traveling), so he became a narrator and nothing else. For that, no one deserves the PEACE PRIZE. His self promotion alone causes more negative gas than any of us need. He alone could create Global Warming – even w/o politics involved.

How ignorant are these morons who attack Gore. Global warming was here long before Gore’s documentary and will be here long after it is forgotten.

There seems to be a great number of people that think the rest of the world, Kyoto included, are politically biased? Maybe just liberal. Does any believe in pollution? I can find websites that will tell you that pollution is “natural”, aluminum shortages are false (aluminum companies are trying to drive the price upwards), and the depleting ozone layer doesn’t cause skin cancer. I don’t know why this became political, but, for some silly reason, it has.

MikeV,
I’m a decade older than you, and can thus remember things that you can’t. Here are some things that were said by serious, well-meaning scientists during my lifetime:
* Man will never go into space using rockets; the concept is ludicrous and physically impossible. (Quote from the head of the British Royal Observatory, which was agreed to by thousands of other learned men.)
* The planet’s population growth is out of control. At the current rate, we will be out of food by 1980; food riots will start a year or two before this. (Quote from a professor of agriculture; once again a large number of his colleagues around the world agreed.)
* There will be a devastating nuclear holocaust before the end of the current decade. (Many, many scientists around the world – the decade in question was the 1950′s.)
* Man will colonize the Moon by 1990, and Mars soon thereafter. (Werner VonBraun, after the first US astronaut returned to Earth.)
* By 1980 the world’s population will have grown to the point where we will all be forced to live in qovernment assigned barracks; there will be no space on the planet for the luxury of private homes. Even the deserts will be populated shoulder-to-shoulder. We will never again know a moment when we are truly alone. (C. Patterson, biologist.)
This list could go on and on with hundreds of entries, but the above will do by way of illustration. Two things are readily apparent here: 1) Scientists predict things based on their own best knowledge, things agreed to by their peers, and; 2) many of these things turn out to be completely wrong. This is not to say that all scientists are wrong about all things, just that some things that appear to be correct are later proven to be erroneous. Remember how DDT was going to poison the whole planet and kill us all? We got it banned, only to discover later that it was the only effective way to control some of the pests in other countries – not having it lead to massive death by starvation in Africa. How about some of the artificial sweeteners that were banned based on scientific studies? Later research reversed some of the earlier studies, showing that many of these really were safe for diabetics.
None of this implies that we should make no effort to search for and implement alternative energy sources, or that we should not take steps to reduce pollution. However, we do need to keep history in mind while we do so. We have been told the sky is falling before, and yet it’s still there. Our computer models to predict the outcomes of a global warming trend have been changed many, many times, each change leading to new outcomes. However, no one can get past the answers these simple questions: Do we fully understand the mechanics of atmospheric change? Do we understand even the 10th part of it? The answer to both is a resounding, “No!” How then can anyone say that this solution or that will not cause more harm than good?
Let’s do what we can, but not lose sight of the fact that much of what is said about global warming, and much of the information in the film Al Gore is promoting, is not solid fact but hypothesis. And for perspective, remember all of the things that learned men around the world have told us would definitely happen … that never came to pass.