The Changing Face of America

One can’t help but wonder if the Native American demographers made similar projections for population shifts for the plains, where inroads were made by the Sioux, the Ojibway, and others. It would seem that the only rationale for these studies is to find out who will spend how much on what. The only other reason I can think of is about who will assimilate into a culture and who will be assimilated by another culture. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the Normans invaded Ireland and were never heard from again.

Good thing we’re all Americans!

1780 – “US German Population to Triple”
1840 – “US Irish Population to Triple”
1860 – “US Chinese Population to Triple”
1890 – “US Italian Population to Triple”
1910 – “US Polish Population to Triple”

Well, I guess I have to learn Spanish.

the biggest indicator of population growth is maternal age. And the biggest indicator of maternal age is education and income. Women who have more education have babies later, have less babies and their babies have babies later. The population that is least educated always grows the fastest. I remember studying this in college socioeconomics class. It’s obvious that whites will be a minority. It has been for some time, unless, hispanics move their class up and then they too will start having less babies and start having them later in life. WHen the Irish first started streaming into the US there were fears of an Irish dominance rather than the more refined English which used ot dominate. Now hte most predominate race in the US is Irish. the English have been gone as the predominate race for about a hundred years. Just the irish blended so well no one noticed.

to the one who posted about the irish population tripling…it did. and then some. The most predominate ancestry for an american is Irish. We are more Irish than English. WE have been for about a hundred years.

D’s post brings up and illustrates a point, namely, that those statements represent observations made as a spike in immigration occurred. That’s what passes for “current trends” in today’s idiom, and it’s patently obvious that they were made in a panic, because of the sudden influx of a particular nationality at a given point in time. Well, take my word for it, the sky isn’t falling. How will the situation be viewed when the immigration situation is finally straightened out? Most likely, panic will subside and rational thought will again prevail, and the same number of people will immigrate, but it’s all calmed down and the “current trend” will be normal.

Thank God for small .. well, BIG favors! I won’t be around then .. that’s a beautiful thing! Enjoy!!

I pretty liberal when it comes to politics, but even I am against all these illegal immigrants.
Like Lori said, I’m worried about gangs, welfare, and the state of my neighborhood.

I don’t understand why we have laws if our government isn’t going to follow through and toss them out.

To all of you people who are horrified by this projection; you can blame me personally. Go for it. I am not afraid. My husband is Mexican, I am American born to American parents and grandparents. We buck the trends that are most often cited. I am educated and employed. My husband is employed and pays taxes, state and federal. We have 2 beautiful Hispanic children and we plan on many more and we waited until we were in our late 20′s to have them. We do not rely on any type of assistance and we bear the financial burden alone. Everyone needs to wake up and understand that these predictions are grounded in fact. These children of immigrants are here, they ARE American citizens and that can never be taken away. You can send everyone back if you wish, but in 10, 20 years there will be an enormous backlash. Handle the problem now and treat these immigrants with dignity and respect and it will pay off. You can never imagine the poverty these people are trying to escape until you’ve experienced it for yourself. They are just trying to survive and the majority are good, hard working folks.

California, Arizona(though they are fighting back) Texas, Colorado, Florida looks like a third world, banana republic; little by little they are taking over this country. The United States will be unrecognizable in a few decades if we don’t halt this horrible invasion. Barbarians destroyed Rome this way, now it is happening to us. My husband is a policeman in L.A. and we are trying to get out. The Mexicans are responsible for flooding this country with drugs, FBI records show that their gangs bring in 99 percent of all illegal drugs into this country. Why don’t our elected representatives act and do something about this? Why do they just sit there and watch as our country slides into third-world status?

It’s not a matter of being anti immigrants. Americans are anti ILLEGAL immigrants. Why is it so hard for LEGAL Hispanics to understand this? You might be paying taxes and you might only have two children, but the majority of babies born in places like CA are Hispanic babies. Walk around and you will see a Hispanic mom with 5 children who are all 1 year apart. So stop making this a racial issue. The facts are the facts. ILLEGALS should be DEPORTED, regardless of whether they are or are not Hispanic.

THIS COUNTRY IS SAD AND NEEDS TO BE ASHAMED OF ITSELF THIS COUNTRY MAY HAVE BEEN FOUNDED BY IMMIGRANTS BUT LOOK AT THE MAJOR DIFFERENCES IN BEHAVIOR BACK THEN THE IMMIGRANTS HUDDLED TOGETHER TO MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING WITH THE PURPOSE OF MAKING THIS NATION GREAT THE NEW WAVE OF IMMIGRANTS DONT CARE ANYTHING ABOUT THE LAWS DONT WANT TO LEARN THE LANGUAGE AND BASICALLY LOOK AT AMERICAN BORN CITIZENS WHO HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAW EVERYDAY AND LAUGH AT US WHILE THEY SEND THEIR MONEY BACK TO MEXICO

I too, believe the Constitution should be changed. No anchor baby should be given automatic citizenship in America. The Constitution is not the bible, therefore it can be altered to fit the times. We are becoming the United States of Mexico and the Mexicans will be running this country in a generation if we don’t do something.

Andy – Your observations are interesting. Put it this way. There are very few of us (Native Americans) who speak our native languages or practice our old religions or even know the ceremonies and customs. Some come to our traditional dances but don’t know the old songs or their meanings. Their kids know more about McDonald’s than they do kinichee or squirrel soup or even hominy. — Non-Indians celebrate Thanksgiving which was an Indian feast long before the Pilgrims got here. They eat foods that weren’t known in Europe a few centuries ago. They use words which have Indian origin without even knowing it. — Each culture will change from the close association however one will be dominate. The rise in Hispanic population will continue while the white population decreases. You tell me what will happen. ?Tu habla Espanole? We might all need to learn.

Am I the only one who finds some irony in people complaining about too many Hispanics in places named Los Angeles (California), Colorado, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas?

You can only assimilate people who are welcome to a place. Give latinos the same opportunities and they will contribute as much or more to the nation than any other group before them. As for those racists who equaled latinos with gangs, violence, welfare and all of that, they should check the statistics. More white people live on welfare than of any other group. Italians (mafia), French (French Connection) and many other groups were also at one time and still now, being accused of violence and resistance to assimilation.

CHRISTOPHER, I agree they should make the law retroactive to March 21, 1621 (when the mayflower landed).

oh, and for those you who hold the English language so high – about 40% of our English vocabulary comes from French. Language is a tool that changes to reflect the needs of its users.

All those illegal immigrants should fix their freaken mexican government instead of jumping fences.
OMG….

>>Catholics are helping that along with thier no contraceptives policy.<<
Nice try but most of us Catholics do in fact practice birth control.
One only has to look at areas with a high percentage of illegal Mexican immigrants to realize how poor and dirty they make these areas, like what THEODORE posted above.

Hey Patty, the Indians said the same thing when the pilgrims landed, look at the results (love canal, 3 mile island).

No, the Spaniards did not discover the new world, Columbus did and he was Italian. The Spanish introduced genocide into the new world.

First Kyle, it is assumed he is from Genoa, they are not really sure. It is reputed that his mother was of Spanish birth which is why he was familiar with spain. Also I guess the rest of the Europeans where moronic enough to think that they would fall of the edge of the earth, since it was only the spanish who funded his voyage. Also was it not the French and English who during the French an Indian wars made it a habit of giving indians blanket from those who where infected by small pox. Read your history before you start calling people names, you may find that you are looking at yourself in that mirror.

our immigration policy isn’t much more thought out than the Native Americans’ immigration policy. I fear ours will work out for Americans as well is the Native American’s did for them.

Christopher: My fathers go back even one father further than your standard! (LOL – But I do see your point…)

CHRISTOPHER, YOU ARE RIGHT, THE INDIANS SHOULD BE RUNNING THINGS FROM NOW ON.

Real simple fixes, for a nation with guts and a sense of self-preservation:
1) Send the illegals back NOW. Yes, round them up, judge them, then send them (and their cute anchor babies) back home. Doesn’t matter if they’re Hispanic or not, just deport anyone without documents. So sad for them, but they shouldn’t have broken the law in coming here.
2) Crush, and I mean really destroy, a few high-profile employers who choose to employ illegals. Set a few good examples and businesses everywhere will fall into line. The recession will help, too. Tie this enforcement with a national database of SSNs, and require all employees to have a valid SSN.
3) Enact new restrictions on using wire transfer services (MoneyGram, Western Union) to send money out of the country. No remittances = no reason to cross the border.
4) Criminalize the harboring of illegal aliens, same as aiding and abetting any other criminal. This should curtail the activities of so-called “sanctuary churches.”
5) Amend the Constitution to end birthright citizenship. From now on, just because you’re born within U.S. borders should not mean you’re an American. Being American is not a geographical accident; it’s cultural.
6) Complete the fence with Mexico. Then do another one with Canada. Sorry to say we can’t trust our neighbors, but if they won’t do more to help us keep illegals from sneaking in, we’ll have to fence them out. Look at the stats – fences work!
Finally, if anyone is concerned about whites being “bred out” by brown folks, well personally I would agree that it’d be a darn shame if there were no more blonde blue-eyed kids around. But whose fault is that? No one’s but those Caucasians who aren’t having enough babies! 2 per family, and preferably 3.
Stop delaying reproduction for your career or self-gratification. Start thinking about the future of this country and what you want it to look like. Have kids, and be happy. Nothing is better than being a parent!

We should also build a giant dome made of concrete and steel and painted black so that not even sunlight can come in. That way we are walled off against the world and any potential corruption from anything in the universe. Wow, its incredible how low are society has sunk in its ignorance.

illegals are so smart, that’s why they dont’ follow the laws and rules set in place.
I see, so I’ve been going through life all the wrong.
I should be breaking laws and rules.

let’s take over mexico. IF THEY HATE THEIR GOVERNMENT so much I’m sure they wouldn’t mind joining sides with american to take over and “AMERICANIZE” Mexico.

let’s see how they feel when we take over their country.

Steve, read the previous post to the dome one and get some perspective. Learn how to read.

petee
your opinion, you have no facts to back it up

I work in a Human Service office in the East (food stamps, Medicaid and Welfare – which by the way is now called TANF). I work with Illegal Aliens and get so tired of handing out benefits. If an illegal is admitted into a hospital, they get emergency Medicaid for the entire hospital stay! Uninsured US citizens do not have this luxury. In fact, an American with no health insurance and who are unable to pay such outrageous medical bills most likely will go bankrupt and have their credit ruined.
Children of illegals are eligible for food stamps; only a portion of the parent’s income will count in the food stamp budget.
TANF – only the children of illegals are allowed a monthly federal cash grant and Medicaid. A US citizen who receive TANF has to work, do job search or job training in order to earn the TANF monthly check – an illegal person does not.
What needs to happen? A child born on the US soil should NOT become a US citizen unless one of the parents is a citizen.
We need to stop putting money into an illegal aliens emergency Medicaid and put that money into either our SS system or help Americans with Medicaid.
Don’t believe me on the above info? Call your local Medicaid / food stamp office.

Who cares what the population makeup is, am I the only one concerned that there are going to be that many people squeezed in here whether from birth or immigration? How long before we pass laws limiting family size? This can’t possibly go on forever!

So *obviously* all these illegals are responsible for EVERYTHING. Oh don’t blame the business that actively seek out and hire them, our our inept government…Oh no its ALL their fault.
/sarcasm
Just remember it takes two to tango people. No one has really touched on those issues yet…I wonder why

Mike in Michigan: I agree with you. The things you’re pointing out are are true. But common sense would tell you that eliminating 35 million workers out of the workforce through abortion has exascerbated the problem many times over. BTW – I’m a U.S. citizen living in a wretchedly poor Latin American country. I know about the conditions first hand.

I’m with you on the population growth concerns, JMS.
What we should do is limit every woman to having 2 children. Use the tax code to punish couples having more than 2 kids, rather than rewarding them. Make it so you can only have more kids if you’re wealthy and can afford the penalties. Make the poor, irresponsible parents ineligible for any public assistance unless they accept a birth-control implant.
This will create more people in the mid and upper-classes and fewer in the welfare/can’t afford to be having kids class and raise the quality of life for everyone. Also give big tax breaks to those who don’t have kids.
That would be the sensible, not to mention “green” thing to do.

Mike in Michigan: Lot of “ifs” you’re putting on these unwanted kids. Practically speaking, we don’t know if any of them will be a future Albert Einstein or end up behind bars. Also, it’s kind ironic that couples that want to adopt newborns have to go overseas to adopt them – another unintended result of abortion.

Mexico is a failed state. 44% below the poverty line, yet has recently produced the richest man in the world, Carlos Slim. Carlos Slim, by the way, ridiculed Bill Gates and Warren Buffet for their philanthropic efforts. Latin America as a whole has the widest income disparity in the world historically due to “Latifundia”, which is basically a class-based system (amongst other things). In sum: “If you are poor you stay poor, if you are rich you stay rich and piss on the poor”. This has of course bred populist movements (Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez), and lately there has been a new strategy by the Mexican Oligarchs to dump large quantities of the “undesireables” into the US with under the auspices of so-called immigration. Illegal Immigration fosters the oligarch tradition in Mexico (and throughout latin america) instead of Mexican politicians reforming corrupt policies and economic systems, they benefit from the ignorant ragged masses of workers shuffling across the border. The saddest part is that the illegal immigrants themselves wave a Mexican flag for a country that has ###### on them. Brilliant!!

Mike in Michigan: Then get ready for a lot more illegals filling the void created by the lack of natural increase in our workforce because of abortion. “Nature abhors a vacuum”.

Wake up, Carlos, that’s how ENGLISH evolved. When there’s a whole massive group of people illegally entering the country through our southern border, making our economy crap, and refusing to learn our language, it makes me mad as hell and I’m going to do everything I can to fight it tooth-and-nail. Just because the rich Republicans who want cheap labor, and the bleeding-heart liberals who want to welcome these criminals, are allowing this to happen doesn’t mean I have to take it quietly. WRITE YOUR CONGRESSIONAL REPS, PEOPLE.

Mike in Michigan: There will always be some, but it certainly won’t be a flood like we have now. BTW I’m in favor of the U.S. government using any method (within reason) that’s effective to control the border and clamp down on illegals. Just about every other nation on earth controls its border more than the U.S.

This article isn’t about illegal immigration. It’s about LEGAL immigration. Yet you’re all ranting about “those people” taking over YOUR country. If they’re here legally, it’s as much their country as it is yours.

petee
As i said before, lets agree to disagree.Im nearsighted, that why i wear glasses but i still do not see a strong Correlation between the two. The one point we do seem to agree on is that the current administration , and those currently running for the position, dont seem to want to enforce the current laws and take into account what the legal citizens of this country told them when they pushed amnesty.

Triple in 30 years? No way, they’re coming across the border faster than that! With each one having 7-10 kids, they will triple in less than 10 years.

Pew research I find it hard to beleive, I lived in the suburbs of MI and my daughter was the only hispanic in the high school there were 40 percent blacks and 58 percent whites and 2 hispanci boys out of the entire high school. My daughter was discriminated from the school board for 2 years so I pulled my daughter out of that school due to someone lack experience they refused to fire the person because only blacks are allowed to make mistakes and they did fire her other wise they would have a law suit for her mistake she made so many to my handicap wheel chairbound she was an honor roll student and they claimed she cheated on her test, just because some one has to write for her due to not being able to write, this was a public school general ed class. I’m homeschooling now so unfair she gets to mess out on friends and other music programs, but so did I when I was her age nothing changed, see who won all the awards last night were left behind and screwed by the media and everone for years that is noticeable when you turn on ABC. If I knew spanish maybe I would watch another show but I was not fortunate to learn it or fortunate to have had the opportunites to have all my daughter learn to play a piano or volin or guttier, not even my self as I had wish growing up. Obvious only certain minorites get the silver plater and the most help from the media and others.

FENCES DO NOT WORK!!! It is so ridiculous that some in our government want to waste money on it. Has anyone ever seen a clip of an immigrant jumping down from the fence to our side? I’m not sure where it was filmed but idiots like Glenn Beck love to play it over and over again. Hello? The fence did nothing to stop him and it will do nothing to stop the thousands behind him.

This thread only goes to show the misconceptions and prejudices that still permeate our society. Misconception of hispanics hating blacks (when many hispanics are black or of mixed race), the thought that hispanics are a race, when in fact they are made up of diverse cultures and races. The thought that hispanics just arrived in this country, when they can be traced back to the origin of this country. That they have not contributed anything, when many have not only won noble prices in sciences and education, but also shed their blood for the defense of this country, serving proudly and having won Medals of Honor. The fact that the story was about U.S. Hispanic citizens was not even considered, lumping all as illegals, or not having been from this country, when in fact some can trace their ancestry back to the 1800′s and further back in this country. We still have a long way to go unfortunately, on educating the masses of ignorant people, who only want to see the world through their unfounded perceptions, without bothering to see facts that can support them or change them. All they want to do is hate.

Andy
Hi andy, im the first lori poster.
The second lori states she from the south, well i could very well imagine her having her fair share of children as well.But you are correct. I myself have no problems with LEGAL immigrants, but do have a problem with illegal ones,like the ones a few dozens blocks from my home waiting to be picked up at the local home depot. Politicains pander because they have no problem with letting it continue. They get the cheap labor they want or the dems get the votes they want. I say we need the throw the lot of them out and start new.

Thanks for setting me straight, 1st Lori. My comment, indeed, was aimed at the 2nd Lori. I feel the same way you do about immigrants. My grandparents, on both sides of the family, immigrated to this country early in the 20th century, and both my parents were born in this country. Immigration is not the issue, nor has it ever been. I wonder how some of the proponents of the illegal immigration would feel if they came home from work and found me in their home, eating their chips and drinking their beer. I have a feeling they’d want to deport me out of their home rather quickly, especially if I demanded that they feed me, clothe me and pay for my health care.

Andy: Your analogy is flawed. Your home is private property. This country is not.

cturple
A fence would work, a unmanned fence would not. Just like when i was a kid, i jumped my neighbors fence when he wasnt around to get my ball or something, But always ask if he was around.Agreed we cant have a man every 100 feet along it,but something has to be done. I will gladly pay more for my veggies if they are picked by a legal immigrant. But i think the stakes are much higher, Companies want- in the end, no borders, a north american union of America, Canada, Mexico. People always say congress would never allow it, what they fail to understand, its done like the European union was, not by law- By TREATY. Treaties do not have to be voted on , pres signs the dotted line.I truely beleive this is where all this is heading. But before it gets to that point, they must have open free flow borders, hence this problem wont be fixed

D
You are not alone.

jnnttlc and cturple:
Well said, I applaud your sentiments.

correction:
MikeHunt
I have lived in New York, Texas, New Jersey, Los Angeles and Pennsylvania, and have spent some time working in most northern states and Canada. The gangs are everywhere, but always the poor, regardless of ethnic background.
LA has asian, black and hispanic gangs, yes, but LA has a large poor population of minorities. So does New York but their hispanics are cuban and puerto rican, not mexican. Look at Chicago, D.C. and other large urban areas. Gangs exist in all.
In the 1920s and 30s it was big Al and the Italian gangs that were well known, but the gangs were predominantly the poor: irish, italian and in New York and Chicago, jews.
The children of large, poor, immigrant families. How is today any different?

Treaties do not take away your freedoms nor do they change your countries laws.
I don’t plan to give up my guns and would not expect anyone else to. That isn’t what such treaties are about.

Actually, Quietman, it would make the situation worse. More open territories, greater chance to escape detection and access to a lot more work. Not to mention the problema GB is having now, which would then descend on us. It’s already begun anyway.

Andy
I have been across the borders many times in many places. There are few check points or fences away from populated areas. ANY improvement would help.

Andy
You may be right. The way that I look at it is that it would eliminate the need to look north and the southern border of Mexico would be a much smaller area overall to police. Everything would depend upon how the treaty was written and how much help Mexico would get to police the southern border. Maybe it would not work at all. But it is apparent that something must be done and soon.

The fix , with any of the current runners for the top office, isnt a fix at all. Okay, fine, we except 12 to 20 million new citizens, no way around it. But what i dont like and what will most likely happen as with the last Border Ptrotection-Amnesty bill is the small print.In that small print was a mass increase in immigration and CHAIN migration. U.S accepts 3 million new immigrants a year, most by far of any nation. But that last bill would have increased that to 7 million PLUS immigrants can sponsor up to 35 family members. Plus tons more work visas and the like. The math isnt hard.

Quietman
I wish i saw that they disagree with Mccain, i might vote for them instead. Mccain not only supported immigration reform, but co-wrote it. He has already said the 12 to 20 million already get to stay. Then went into very little detail about his border protection plain and hasnt said jack about any type of immigration reform.Hill and Obama were all for the immigration reform bill and given that both now have ad’s and websites in english and spanish, they May tighten down the border, but its a sure thing i feel , legal immigration would turn into something like get your pass at the POE and your good.
The one thing i will always remember is that when that imiigration bill was being worked on by Kennedy and Mccain, who was allowed in, NO other republicans but LA RAZA was at the table.Tells me all i need to know on how any bill is going to turn out when they are allowed in and no opposing points of view are at the table. That isnt team work, its called open wide and let us …

Quietman
Yes it does.But the downside to that is: according to gov studies, high school graduates or below, like most of the illegal immigrants currently, will use more services than what they pay in. Also take into account, the SS system, going broke already, and your going to add, lets say 50 million in 5 years, A large percent of those will retire within 15 years and start drawing on the system, well before putting any Substantial or reaching a break even point , again, shortening the time it will take before a major revamp of that is also needed. And even if your raise those income tax rates, we have the children, all legal citizens, only problem with that is again,the system is currently overwelmed in many parts of the country currently because of the extra room, more teachers, spanish speaking teachers needed,ect.ect. You know as well as i, we would end up short.And lets not talk about the hospitals that have had to close because currently, we have to provide care to illegals, est 90 percent walk on any bill balance.

Quietman
Also. Not trying to sound uncaring, i know they are fighting a uphill battle. But its about time the U.S starts taking care of its own citizens first, along with 1/2 dozen other emergency issues that this country needs fixing before increasing the population. We cant even take care of the people we have now, so increasing it by a factor of even 2 isnt really smart thing in my mind.

Quietman
Have been in a INS office a few times, on a case by case basis just would not work im sorry to say. Those people behind the counters look forward to one thing–Going home at end of day. The lines are opening time are unreal.Whats the best way, im sure who’s ever elected will tell us the best way, we might not think so, but they will.And will just have to wait and see. I mean its only 5k a day over the border, no problem waiting another year before another bill is even ready to go.