The Environment? Is That an Election Issue?

Alas, chuck, the candidates aren’t going to state anything unequivocally, until they can determine which way the wind is blowing. They spend all their energies attacking each other and little, if any, on the issues. Even though this particular campaign season has drawn more national interest than I can remember, it’s also one of the least substantive and most devisive campaigns. It seems that all they have to sell is how they see the other’s stand, rather than stating their own stand on the matters.

Andrew – I think you have a logical flaw in there somewhere. Of course the economy is going to be higher than the environment for most people, but that doesn’t mean it is “not an issue that most Americans care about.” Polls consistently show that most Americans care about the environment, but don’t usually put it at the very top of their list.

I visit Brazil, Argentina, Colombia several times a year on business. I seemany of my employees and colleagues have a natural gas tank in the trunk of their vehicles. Their cars use about 5 gallon tanks of gasoline mainly to start the engine, and pass on the highway, the rest comes from natural gas. The cost to operate the car on this system a week is about 30 dollars a week including almost 5 USD a gallon for gas. I want to hear from the candidates why we do not have this option in the US, and the third world does?

They are politicians, not environmentalists, the one that is least green is obviously more honest.

This whole “party” thing is a farce. I’m a registered Democrat but I’ll vote republican if I see a better cantidate.
Vote with your head, not with your heart.

emily, I don’t recall making any racist remarks, or even, indeed, mentioning any candidate by name. I do live in the north, and I don’t intend to vote either Republican or Democratic, because both parties have had a hand in taking this nation to the brink of ruin. The Republicans stand for that insane war in Iraq and the Democrats are abjuring the rule of law with their ridiculous stance in illegal immigration. I’m sure you think dave’s double post was one of mine. Wrong. Anyway, Dave is being incredibly sarcastic, that’s all.

emily
Dave was sarcastic to prove a point. I feel the same way Andy does and would love to see the two party system die. In this case McCain is closer to a Democrat than a Republican which I feel is a good compromise, but I admit I have concerns about Clinton because of her husband’s connection with the gun grabbers and that could influence my decision. Obama – I don’t know enough about yet, he seems to skirt the issues.

Global warming is not on the spotlight NOW, because it is winter. When the summer comes and the weather is hot, it will definitely be on the spotlight.
Whether or not people will be for action is another matter. The price of gas is already astronomical and a recession is going on. I hardly believe people will want to pay higher taxes and higher gas prices over this issue.

It was definitely Kucinich. I think he was the only space alien running this time. (But I can’t be sure)

When have the propaganda machines of capitalism not been like those of the communists? Why do you think Americans hate communism? And fear that Mike Huckabee connects with the people? I am deeply afraid of that. Frankly, I’d have more trust in someone that majored in math than miracles. But then again, I’m a mathematician.

Certainly isn’t Hillary, remember early in the campaigning she had flown a airplane cross country, while another airplane was flying out to pick her up, so why would she send the first airplane all the way back and not let the pilot wait? 2 airplanes flying round trip and Hillary flying each half on a different airplane.

Why didn’t they mention Mike Huckabee. After becoming governor, he and his wife took a week long raft trip on a river in Arkansas specifically to highlight the need to protect the environment and that river. He stands by the idea that God a gave us stewardship over the earth, therefore we need to take that responsibility seriously, and protect it to the best of our ability. And all you non-Christians thought that religion was a bad thing.

A the earth is going into a period of Global Cooling. See below:
A physicist proves global warming is false and another scientist says we are moving into a period of global cooling.
See Below:
Summary of Gerhard Gerlich Criticism Greenhouse Effect
The following is a summary of the conclusions of
(Dr. Gerhard Gerlich and Ralf D. Tscheuschner – “Falsification of the Atmospheric Greenhouse Effects Within the Framework of Physics”)
“5 Physicist’s Summary
A thorough discussion of the planetary heat transfer problem in the framework of theoretical
physics and engineering thermodynamics leads to the following results:
1. There are no common physical laws between the warming phenomenon in glass houses and the fictitious atmospheric greenhouse effect, which explains the relevant physical phenomena. The terms \greenhouse effect” and \greenhouse gases” are deliberate misnomers.
2. There are no calculations to determinate an average surface temperature of a planet:
a) with or without atmosphere,
b) with or without rotation,
c) with or without infrared light absorbing gases.
The frequently mentioned difference of 33 C for the fictitious greenhouse effect of the atmosphere is therefore a meaningless number.
3. Any radiation balance for the average radiant flux is completely irrelevant for the determination of the ground level air temperatures and thus for the average value as well.
4. Average temperature values cannot be identifed with the fourth root of average values of the absolute temperature’s fourth power.
5. Radiation and heat flows do not determine the temperature distributions and their average values.
6. Re-emission is not reflection and can in no way heat up the ground-level air against the actual heat flow without mechanical work.
7. The temperature rises in the climate model computations are made plausible by a perpetuum mobile of the second kind [perpetual motion machine]. This is possible by setting the thermal conductivity in the atmospheric models to zero, an unphysical assumption. It would be no longer a perpetuum mobile of the second kind, if the average fictitious radiation balance, which has no physical justification anyway, was given up.
8. After Schack 1972 water vapor is responsible for most of the absorption of the infrared radiation in the Earth’s atmosphere. The wavelength of the part of radiation, which is absorbed by carbon dioxide is only a small part of the full infrared spectrum and does not change considerably by raising its partial pressure. Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects : : : 93
9. Infrared absorption does not imply “backwarming”. Rather it may lead to a drop of the temperature of the illuminated surface.
10. In radiation transport models with the assumption of local thermal equilibrium, it is assumed that the absorbed radiation is transformed into the thermal movement of all gas molecules. There is no increased selective re-emission of infrared radiation at the low temperatures of the Earth’s atmosphere.
11. In climate models, planetary or astrophysical mechanisms are not accounted for properly. The time dependency of the gravity acceleration by the Moon and the Sun (high tide and low tide) and the local geographic situation, which is important for the local climate, cannot be taken into account.
12. Detection and attribution studies, predictions from computer models in chaotic systems, and the concept of scenario analysis lie outside the framework of exact sciences, in particular theoretical physics.
13. The choice of an appropriate discretization method and the definition of appropriate dynamical constraints (flux control) having become a part of computer modelling is nothing but another form of data curve fitting. The mathematical physicist v. Neumann once said to his young collaborators: “If you allow me four free parameters I can build a mathematical model that describes exactly everything that an elephant can do. If you allow me a fifth free parameter, the model I build will forecast that the elephant will..fly.” (cf. Ref. [185].)
14. Higher derivative operators (e.g. the Laplacian) can never be represented on grids with wide meshes. Therefore a description of heat conduction in global computer models is impossible. The heat conduction equation is not and cannot properly be represented on grids with wide meshes.
15. Computer models of higher dimensional chaotic systems, best described by non-linear partial differential equations (i.e. Navier-Stokes equations), fundamental differ from calculations where perturbation theory is applicable and successive improvements of the predictions – by raising the computing power – are possible. At best, these computer models may be regarded as a heuristic game.
16. Climatology misinterprets unpredictability of chaos known as butter fly phenomenon as another threat to the health of the Earth. In other words: Already the natural greenhouse effect is a myth”
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Science and Technology, Greenhouse gas disproved, Gerhard Gerlich, Ralf D Tscheuschner
In addition we are going into a period of global cooling, not warming.
See below:
David Archibald’s new paper “Solar Cycle 24: Implications for the United States”, will be presented at the Heartland Institute Climate Conference in NY City, March 2-4, 2008. David points out how solar data indicates that Solar Cycle 24 which is in the early throes of commencing now, could initiate global cooling.” He points out in his paper that carbon dioxide is good not bad and could help mitigate the effect of global cooling on our food crops.
In the event of global cooling, we will need more oil and coal to keep everything running, not less. Moreover, if the State stays out of the way maybe the oil and coal companies can do what they do best and find the coal and oil we need to keep afloat. P.S. getting the State out of way of the Oil and Coal Companies might actually bring our gasoline and heating costs down.

changeforwhat
David Archibald’s new paper “Solar Cycle 24: Implications for the United States”, sound like it would support the late Dr. Rhodes Fairbridge. Do you know where I could download a copy?

mark
“Media organizations represented at the day’s events included ABC, CBS, CNN, the BBC, The New York Times, Washington Post, and The Wall Street Journal, among many others.”
Report #2 from the Global Warming Conference in New York City
Written By: Joseph L. Bast
Published In: News Releases
Publication Date: March 3, 2008
Publisher: The Heartland Institute

Depends on if the issue were to provide me with a job or simply to use the tax money talking about providing me a job which don’t get me the job and millions are spend talking about the job. Did you want a job, is this all the environment bills are about apending taxpayer funds and not getting the the job they should have to meet the law of supply and demand at their homes and businesses? Give me a break, if it don’t make jobs don’t bring it up, at least I don’t waste time thinking I will have a job only to learn its up to the company to make that decision. Dummies in government really only spend money, can I stay out of work 10 more years and get paid for not working? When do I get a pension for not working so much?

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