‘Green’ Bible Stirs Controversy Among Evangelicals

Evangelicals, GOP, Just go away.

It is still the Bible. Nothing has been changed from what I read in the srticle. The environmental passages are just highlighted. What is the big deal? God made the earth and we should take care of it and ourselves as well.

““When we interject religion into environmental debates, we are taking the focus of the church away from God and, instead, placing it on a hotly disputed social values issue,” Taylor said.”
But it’s is perfectly fine to use the bible to fight against gay marriage… why?

The earth belongs to God. We are just temporary tenants. Those that treat this planet like rock stars trashing a hotel room show their true Christian colors. Someday their security deposit will come due.

I am so tired of this holy rolling sike job, It’s just a book , a book written by man for man nothing else get over yourselfs,there are plenty other books in the world just as valid, IT’S A BOOK, ONLY A BOOK. READ IT AND SHUT UP ABOUT IT ALREADY. IT’S A BOOK , ONLY A BOOK.

It is true God tells us is His word to take care of the earth He made for us. BUT excepting His Son who came to save us is what is most important. If we live by the commandments God gave us & except His Son then the rest should fall into place… Love the Lord & love what He has made for us. Do you respect the home of your parents? Respect the earth He made for us… saying that Global warming is bull. The earth has changed many times since it was created & it will continue. It is Gods will. Read His word He gives us plenty of warning.

‘Niche Bibles’ are nothing new among Evangelicals and other Christian groups. No Bible focusing on particular topics or targeting towards particular sub-groups can satisfy everyone’s taste. Even though I support the cause of Environmentalists I do admit that it would be difficult to get a 2000+ year old text to address the issues as they exist in the 21st century. The best one can do is to take statements from scripture and re-apply their general principle to our time.

Oh Cindy, as much as you want to believe you can cost through life in the belief that if you just do and think what your pastor tells you to, that’s fine, but don’t expect God to look kindly on it. The Earth is a gift created by God as is our own ability to think and act upon what we decide. By ignoring the ability to judge information yourself and leaving those decisions to other, you are effectively spitting in the face of God say “You may have given me the ability to decide for myself, but I’m to lazy to do so, I’ll left someone else make decisions for me.”
As for the “earth is constantly changing” argument, it is a very weak one when there is a heavy correlation between the beginning of the industrial revolution and the start of the current heating trend. If you decide to look into the issue, you will find that good, solid, science points much more heavily to global warming being an even caused by human activity rather than ‘a warming cycle.’
In short: Starting thinking for yourself and not just passively agreeing with what is convenient for you to believe in. The best way to strengthen your beliefs is to question them and why you believe in them, not to just repeat them louder and more often.

“Tthis is my Fathers World”? If you look at the words they sound pretty “green” to me. ”
That’s interesting, so I am suppose to believe God said to worship Greenie’s scientific fraud?
For whatever it is worth, I believe Science as gone completely insane through its irrational emotionalism; the paranoid attempt to constantly prove fraudulent science is what is killing reason.

“Hillarious………Two of my favorite fictional belief systems duking it out. Global warming is nonsense. And in fact, we are entering a cooling phase of the earth cycles.”
Please show your scientific credentials. You sound like an expert.

“you will find that good, solid, science points much more heavily to global warming being an even caused by human activity rather than ‘a warming cycle.”
Here is a good, solid example of the paranoid attempt to constantly prove fraudulent science. I would add, all for the sake of convenience.

Calis – If you knew the bible then you would know how strongly God feels about the earth that He made & loves & how He feels about mistreating it, which is to me this green thinking so many are concerned about….My pastor does not dictate to us on what to think. Never has he told us what to do. He strongly tells us to read the Word, investigate & test the Lord & pray.
I do thank you for the advise though & hope you have a blessed New Year.

Why would the bible even account for global warming. That is a science issue not a religious issue. I wonder how the bible would explain solar expansion and the future (yes a few billion years) destruction of the earth.

Syn – No God said to take care of the world he created for us. Obviously you are one of the scientific elite. Geeae. Have you ever been in an incrediably beautiful place. If you have been thank God , he made it for you and for me to enjoy and take care of.

“No God said to take care of the world he created for us.”
I believe God said to be good stewards of the land not paranoid spastics who believe they can control the weather.
As I understand it, God would say that worshiping Gaia is worshiping a false God. Of course, God gave you free will to choose between worshiping God or worshiping the false God Gaia; that’s entirely up to you which God you choose to worship.

Hey Christians, I think you could make good on this. Why not demand, that the greenie’s get greener. Tell them to save the planet by turning off their TV’s, require them to not fly at all. Take out their computers for their homes. and not be premitted to buy a laptop. They cannot own a yard blower, have to use a rake. And demand that they use a bicycle for travel. Not allowed to buy a DVD, or own an MP3 player. etc, etc. Ought to be fun.

“Scientist don’t play politics, idiots play politics with science.”
Really? If Scientists aren’t playing politics why then are they so eager to have the Great and Awesome United Nations fund their fraudulent research?
And since ‘idiots play politics with science’ how come Al Gore received a Nobel Peace Prize and a Hollywood Oscar for his work in Global Warming oops.. it’s been changed to Climate Change fraud?
Listen, if you wish to dwell in irrational emotionalism and all the insanity it brings that’s not my problem. All I ask is that you do not force your tyrannical Luddite laws upon my freedom.

i hope you find freedom from religion and the peace that comes from being free of religious racism, tribalism, dogma, and terror. >>> if your god is omnipotent and omniscient why would it need the crude technology of a book to communicate? if you are made in the image of your god . . . well, you must have a pretty incompetent god – look at you – wasting time debating a fairy tale book when so many children and others are suffering around the world. oh, but the suffering of others is irrelevant as long as you profess your dogma and get your place in your imaginary heaven. you have the same priorities as every jihadist. if you believe really hard and sincerely, does it make leprechauns real? >>>imagine no religion. it’s easy if you try. >> please do not enable in the lies and propaganda of the high priest politicians and theocons: you can be free; the world will be a better, greener place.

“When we interject religion into environmental debates, we are taking the focus of the church away from God and, instead, placing it on a hotly disputed social values issue,” Taylor said.”………….. O.K…..Um, haven’t they been REALLY into “social values” for the last several years? Abortion, gay bashing, etc. It seems to me the evangelicans should respect the fact God created the earth more and as a tribute to him they would wish to see that his creation isn’t harmed.

I wonder if they highlighted the part where God says this earth is parishing and there will be none to help.
“Global Warming” is an understatement compared to what is going to happen.

“More loons to make our country great I suppose.”
Especially those who fly in their private jets so they can get to California to garner their Hollywood Oscar for making propaganda movies about how Global Warming is killing the Earth and all living things!
Praise all who worship at the alter of Goracle, he comes to save our souls by killing humanity!!!!!!
(This is way too much fun)

Hey Herb, I hear there is a new threat to the environment Dihydrogenmonoxide. Look it up. Very serious stuff! More prevalent than Carbon Dioxide.

Ok, regardless on how you feel about the environment, is there something wrong with highlighting how God would feel about the earth, and about what some christians believe is their responsibility to keep it clean? Why would you at all put this down? This group doing this can only result in goodn and brings absolutely no harm. They aren’t forcing anyone to believe how they believe, nor are they disreputing any other belief system at all, christian or otherwise. Wow, all you all need to settle down and get some perspective.

Most Christians are not crazy, just the right wing fundamentalists evangelicals!

God moves in a mysterious way
His wonders to perform;
He plants His footsteps in the sea
And rides upon the storm.
Deep in unfathomable mines
Of never failing skill
He treasures up His bright designs
And works His sovereign will.
Ye fearful saints, fresh courage take;
The clouds ye so much dread
Are big with mercy and shall break
In blessings on your head.
Judge not the Lord by feeble sense,
But trust Him for His grace;
Behind a frowning providence
He hides a smiling face.
His purposes will ripen fast,
Unfolding every hour;
The bud may have a bitter taste,
But sweet will be the flower.
Blind unbelief is sure to err
And scan His work in vain;
God is His own interpreter,
And He will make it plain.

I’m Jewish but I’m gonna buy several of these new Bibles to P.O. the nutty Evangelists, including my favorite, Hog Hagee.

This all takes the focus out on the 2 great commandments that would save all of humanity from grief, sorrow and pain and give all people a renewed respect for all things.
1 – Love the Lord they God with all they heart (Translation: Keep my commandments [read the bible to find out what those are, especially after Jesus came])
2 – Love they neighbor as thyself (Translation: everyone respects and helps one another and improves their environment around them. In other words PEACE)

It’s about time the religious people got around to giving a **** about God’s green earth. It’s His creation, for Heaven’s sake! How does it make any sense that you’ve been fine with trashing it up til now???

If God created this Earth and is all knowing and gave us this knowledge of things and invention. You would think that he known what man would do to this planet and prepared it to handle it.

Dr. Reason, would you mind sharing your credetials as well?

Wow, its funny that people have so little faith in their neighbor. Its like people believe that everyone else is running around like mad dogs hell bent on urinating and defecating on any tree they can find until their is no more. Like Farmer John is hell bent on destroying his lively hood and starving millions who depend on his job. The irony is, when I go in to the country side, farms and small towns are clean and yet they are conservative. When I go downtown to a major city, I see trash everywhere and they are liberal.

Everyone has the right to believe what they want to, but please do NOT lump ALL Christians into the right-winged crazies. Just like not ALL “greenies” (i kinda like that term) are crazy and lying. There are extremes in every group from Democrats to Republicans, from Christians to Muslims. Why must this simply comment blog turn into a irrational, hateful pissing contest?
Do i personally believe in global warming? No, if you look at the history of the Earth, for most of its life it has been covered in ice.
Do I believe that mankind has caused damage to the enviroment. Yes, but the earth is amazing and can adapt and has before. Its always been changing.
And YES I do believe we should be as green as possible and try to lessen, if not completely, stop the damage we cause, but I do not believe the Bible is the place to do it.
Teach the people. Show them, not using scare tactics, what pollution can and will do. Force Big Business and Industry to make investments in clean technology AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, lets do this together. Christians, Muslims, Atheists, EVERYONE. Lets work together for change and a better, cleaner Earth.

I don’t know how anyone who has read the bible or gone to church could dispute that God wants us to take care of the earth, thereby taking care of the defenseless around us. How is it “hotly contested” that we should not be so selfish as to pollute an environment that thousands of species have to live in. Jesus, protect me from your “followers.”

LetYourKingdomCome: “The irony is, when I go in to the country side, farms and small towns are clean and yet they are conservative. When I go downtown to a major city, I see trash everywhere and they are liberal.”
I’ve never seen a more naive statement on this site. Where do you think the conservative corporations place their pollution plants? It’s not in the countryside. It’s common sense that the higher population density will create more trash…or so I thought it was common sense.

I don’t know how anyone who has read the bible or gone to church could dispute that God wants us to take care of the earth, thereby taking care of the defenseless around us. How is it “hotly contested” that we should not be so selfish as to pollute an environment that thousands of species have to live in. Jesus, protect me from your “followers.”

Everyone is entitled to believe in whatever religion they want…just keep it out of government and public policy! This is *not* a Christian nation!

Wow….the religious people sure get fired up when you have the temerity to disagree with them. Speaks well for them, don’t you think?
As far as I’m concerned, as long as you find God (a.k.a. believe in something bigger than you, and don’t hurt others in order to get there) then I don’t care what path you take.
But don’t tell the fundamentalists that, they want a one-lane toll road to their paradise.

friedbrains: How can you deny global warming and also accept that man has damaged the environment? You are contradicting yourself.

Wow, lots a facts and proof there Paul. God said to have faith, not facts. The facts I see now is that the Global Temperature now is back to 1980 levels and I’m freezing my A off here and have had seen the US get nailed with a huge snow storm that kept Christians from gathering to celebrate Christmas with their families during the Holiday travel. Wait, we had wonderful weather during that time and I’m in a heat spell here, I’ve got to turn on my carbon spewing AC!

Chuck, I see Al Gore doing the same thing. Huge A house that took a large forest to cut to get wood, tons of rock blown out of a mountain side to get the ounces of copper for his wiring, etc.., etc… spewing tons of Carbon in to the the atmosphere during his many travels around the earth to preach his message and making Billions off the environmentalists buying his books that have 50% virgin paper that came from forests.

“Can someone define evangelical for me? They seem to be getting a lot of press in recent years. They sound somewhat like a group first called by another name at Antioch”.
My grandpa use to call them “Holy Rollers” cause they would “Get Happy” pick up hot stoves, handle snakes, get burned, get bit, and die. When we were kids we would go to their “Brush Arbor Meetings” for entertainment. We thought they were nuts, but apparently they still have a cult following that call themselves Evangelist Christian.

Oh dang, I forgot to add that they spoke in unknown tongues while they were flopping on the ground or floor.

Chuck, can you explain in middeval Europe how they could not even drink water from any source because it was polluted by their livestock, open sewers and dumping chamber pots and food wastes in to the streets. How they had to drink anything with a small amount of Alcohol in it? Hence where Whiskey came from? It came from the same root word for Water.

friedbrains—this year’s weather has NOTHING to do with global warming. our environment is being destroyed by our activities. if you don’t believe in global warming go to the melting polar ice caps and look at algae that is growing there for the forst time in the earth’s history. christianity is convenient because when the going gets tough you just get teleported via the rapture/end of days to heaven. so you can afford to trash the earth. no need to take responsibility for the future.

To those who would say there is no God: It has been made undeniably clear, BY SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH, that the universe came from NOTHING. Even time did not exist before the instant that creation came to be. There are 122 points in creation- such as the distance between stars and between earth and the sun- that, if altered by a fraction in either direction would cease existance as we know it. It takes more faith to tiptoe around the existence of God with rediculous theories based on speculation than to admit the obvious- this complex creation has a complex and divine creator. Even AGNOSTIC scientist Robert Jastrow wrote that “For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.” If you don’t believe, don’t pawn it off on a lack of evidence for the evidence is all around you. Cleary it’s volitional. You don’t want to believe because you don’t want to be accountable. It’s so much easier to live without fear of eternal repercussions for your actions. He is real and nothing else matters, not even these distracting little quarrels over a publisher cashing in on the green movement with an eco-Bible. He is in control. The question is whether you’ll realize the truth before it’s too late

These Religious Nut Jobs are quick to read Scripture from there BACKWOODED OUTDATED PRIMITIVE SUPRESTITIOUS MYTHOLOGY to bad they don’t live it.These SKY GODS of their’s only allow for limited thinking ,the rest they no clue for. Well your prays fall on deaf ears because there is no one to hear them, It is man who must clean up the earth not THE GREAT SUPREME INVISIBLE BEING THAT LIVES IN THE SKY.

Chuck…looks like mea culpas all around! (lol)
This board is confusing! Easy to make such mistakes!

KWOLF443—”It is man who must clean up the earth”—it’s nice to see a responsible christian advocating environmentalism and saving the earth.

Why is it the religious all nut jobs? we need the environmental nuts too to help make this country a can of mixed nuts! Tastes better too.

FACTS PEOPLE… The air is worse now than 200 years ago. The water is worse now than 2000 years ago. We are over populated now yet the world religions want everyone to have big families.
Posted by: Chuck S | Dec 31, 2008 12:43:12 PM
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I guess Chuck, in order to wright all the world’s wrongs, what we need to do is ban all religion, but that’s not quite enough.
As long zs there are religious people alive, there could still be a chance religion might be practiced. We MUST do more! We need to KILL all the religious people.
Then, there would be a “perfect world”. A world with no religion. Wait, isn’t that what religion says? That there would be a perfect world rid of infidels? Chuck! It seems, you, yourself perscribe to a religion. You are quite religious in your anti-religion.

1500ppm of CO2 in the Carboniferous peroid yet it was the greenest period in Earths entire history.

Wow, your facts keep changing over time. In my lifetime, I’ve seen theories change because of new evidence. Does your religion of facts teach you to love your neighbor too?

Hahaha… This is getting funny. Its like everyone thinks the other is hell bent on either destroying on another by different means. One through religious zelousy and the other by trashing the entire planet.

If you believe that humans have a responsibility to look after and care for cats and animals, then you must by extension also believe that that responsibility extends to all of creation.

friedbrains—i love my neighbor out of my own volition not because someone is going to punish me. you can have right and wrong, ethics and morals and not believe in God, spirits or the supernatural. do you not kill people because God says so? no, you don’t want to go to jail.

Hey, look at the bright side like all those who seem to particularly hate Christian religions. Dont worry, since you think that all people of religions are insane, let them destroy one another in their over zealous efforts to convert one another and also burn up the planet in its so called wasteful behavior. So let that go on and then all the environmentalists can go back to surviving in the jungles of South America with those recent tribes that were recently discovered. For they are the true keepers of the Earth and living in harmony with it. Survival of the fittest!

The only ‘position’ that one can have on global warming is denial. Those evangelicals that are somehow trying to use religion as a ruse to cover their blatant disregard for fact are blasphemers. The fact is that global warming is happening so much faster than anyone expected, yet some of these people are impeding our actions to correct it. Shame.

KWOLF443—it’s good you want to live in a “cleaner greener.” that’s what will save the world, not like you so eloquently called “Hocus Pocus.”

friedbrains—i don’t know where morals come from. the prisons are full of devout christians. i’m not sure your reasoning makes sense.

Chuck S—thanks for your comments. i admire your ethics and your committment to do good acts. most of all thank you for serving our country. your courage and service protects our rights so that people can disagree on blogs and not go to prison.
Happy New year.

Yep. Lets see, the Apostle John in the isle of Patmos, Daniel in the Lions den, Joseph as a slave in Egypt. I’m in good company.

Poppers—you can address pollution and over-population at the same time. it does seem however that there is a lot of “white privilige” in the attitude “who is the world to tellme?!” when you talk about the growing population you mean Asia and Africa and Mexico. it’s all right to over-reproduce in America. we all know families who have six, seven kids. put your money where you mouth is and, if you are a male, consider vasectomy (actually there may be no charge at certain clinics). let’s start working on our population control problem here at home in Palin-esques families before we blame africa and asia in a self-righteous attitude.

Paul, when you are living in a mud hut in the middle of nowhere trying to survive off the planet like Homo Erectus, then I will follow you.

we already do prescribe vasectomy to animals. i have two at home sleeping in a sun spot.

“Guess we should prescribe vasectomy to animals too as well”.
That’s nothing new, it been done for years.

As it is shown here in these comments, the human race cannot work together. No one can put away their differences when it comes to religious beliefs. In the end it will be the human race that kills the planet. The vast majority of people show a disregard for the world, and not a second thought about how rotten and no longer beautiful it will be to our children’s children. Maybe you all should take a couple hours out of your day and go watch Wall-E. Childrens movie or not it has a very deep, very obvious issue going on that we are facing now and can’t seem to get a hold on. It’s a sad fact but totally true

I don’t care what religion people are, just don’t try to force feed it to me and keep it outta my government. I believe in a Supreme Being, but don’t need to go to a church to pray or to be close to God. I can talk to God or pray just as well under a tree, or on a tractor. I don’t need no fancy clothes or try to impress my neighbors. IMO, God wants us to take care of our planet, the critters, and be good stewarts of the earth. Organize religion is about money, greed, and control IMO. Take care of Mother Nature and God will take better care of us all.

One last comment… One atheiest donating blood to save a life is a hell of a lot more effective than 1000 Christians praying for that person. Food for thought.

Environmentalism is just common sense, “Green” is a new religion looking for converts. The late Dr. Michael Crichton siad it well
in a speech at the Commonwealth Club, San Francisco, CA, September 15, 2003
How will we manage to get environmentalism out of the clutches of religion, and back to a scientific discipline? There’s a simple answer: we must institute far more stringent requirements for what constitutes knowledge in the environmental realm. I am thoroughly sick of politicized so-called facts that simply aren’t true. It isn’t that these “facts” are exaggerations of an underlying truth. Nor is it that certain organizations are spinning their case to present it in the strongest way. Not at all—what more and more groups are doing is putting out is lies, pure and simple. Falsehoods that they know to be false.

Waith I’m not done. Then man with his wisdom and science can go to to Mars by sending only the smartest people, teraform it to make it survivable and then in 1000 years reintroduce species to Earth and leave it as world nature preserve.

Because evolution screwed up by creating man.

jock, so when you say climate change and weather are 2 separate things, what do you mean by this? I see both happening at the same time. Is it one cause by man, and the other nature? What is it?

Chuck S. — I think most Christians pray AND give blood – sometimes at the same time. They also volunteer in their communities and do lots of good works because they feel it is their moral obligation and, it feels good to help others and follow the example of Christ.

Oh ye of little faith T. You really haven’t gotten out of the house lately and traveled and met people have you? Don’t believe half of what you see and hear on TV.

friedbrains—”don’t believe half of what you see and hear on TV”—o don’t watch tv and i get out every day. i live in a cosmopolitain city where there are a diversity of cultures and religions and non-believer. if someone doesn’t believe that’s their right and you actually find non-belivers among the kindest people, the most intelligent people. so we can do without your advise. our minds are already open.

Wow, I’m so inspired. Sounds like you live in Zion Paul. How can I reach this Holy City?

Oh Vey—”Christians pray AND give blood” and “also volunteer in their communities.” i admire and respect the christians who do good works. but they are few and far between. i work everyday with people who save lives and it is done without religion. and i have never seen anyone donating blood praying. but you donate more than me so i defer to you.

what i love is taht in my home town two of the 10 churches have closed the others have lost half there people… so glad to see christianity fading into nothingness like all ancient myths. wont thsi place be great once teh christains have taken there hate and racism and left teh world.

To the Alchemist: I don’t know how to break this to you, but Jesus lived in the time of the ancient Romans, not the Nazis.

Thanks Paul.

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Religion did not invent hatred and racism. We will still have those, as long as we are human.

As long as Green Bible demonstrates crystal clear about the love of God, I support it. But if the focus is on saving the planet, not Jesus Christ, I reject it.

We are keepers of the earth for God. As such I do not feel he would have any issue with a “green” bible.

God put mankind on the earth, and told us to take care of it. What have we done, Look around, open your eyes. This world is trashed. We have done nothing but make one great big mess. And we do have global warming. Mankind is recking this earth. If we only had listened and did what God said this world would not be the way it is.

So what, just another approach on the biggest fairy tale ever sold.

you liberals can just go away… mock the bible all you want.. cuz you all will get a big eye opener when you pass to the bye and bye.

all christianity is, is what the roman leader constantine made it for. to control a new cult that was giving the roman empire trouble,so he used there blind faith to control them and get them to give money to the church,which at that time was the roman empire. wake up christains you believe in a relgion that was started by the evil roman empire to control people. and today look at the huge costly churches and catherdrals these religions have. a minister of a church lives in a church bought home drives a church bought car and works oen or two days a week and make on average of 50,000 a year. why the majority of there followers make under 30,000 a year….such a great organazation thsi christain faith.

Ahhh evangelicals, such unbelievable hypocrites the world has never seen. I wish the rapture would actually happen so we could act like adults and forget these idiots.

I am a Christian. I believe the Bible is God’s word to man. The Bible makes clear to man that he is to be a steward of the earth — not to trash it. As one makes his bed he has to sleep in it. If we trash the earth, we have to suffer for it. People, honor God’s creation. Be stewards.

wow, this thread was fun at first, then it got utterly ridiculous.
How about a live and let live attitude instead? If you like the green Bible,buy it, read it – if you don’t stick with the King James version!
If more people were just accepting and understood that MY WAY is not the ONLY WAY the world would be a much better place.
by the way we have freedom of religion here, everyone should be able to believe in what they want.
I personally think religion is the smile on my dog…
happy new year!

karen—happy new year to you as well.

Evangelicals have “no position” on global warming because they realize that in order to stop global warming they would have to stop making money from petroleum products – an industry that is stacked with evangelical Republicans. Do we really need an invisible man in the sky to tell us to take care of the planet? Come on people – let’s use some common sense here.

Global warming is a sham. Just like “Global cooling” was

How in the name of sanity can hundreds of millions of people still believe in someone they can not see – and have never seen, they can not feel – and have never felt, they can not speak with – and have never spoken with and all based on a book written hundreds and thousands of years ago and to which nothing has been added in at least fifteen hundred years ago! That is patently absurd!
To be fair to Christians, all other religions suffer from the same delusional and hallucinogenic ramblings of one or a few of their early “believers” as well. In that, Christians are not alone.
Nevertheless, I’ve always found it incredible that the religious quaintly prove their biblical assertions by referring back to the bible! Wow! In other words, Jesus is the Son of God…it says so in the New Testament! Are you nuts!?
Look, I could care less if you take any religious book and highlight the X’s and O’s and figure out if the authors were so damn enlightened that THEY actually came up with the “West Coast offense” and not Bill Walsh. Who cares? What relevancy does it have to the reality of the condition of our earth?

It’s important to note the difference between an “Evangelical” and “evangelism”.
An Evangelical is part of a movement begun in Great Britain in the 1700s that focuses on conversion (being born again), Biblical authority and evangelism (see below). It is a segment of Protestantism which itself is a segment of Christianity. The mainstream media has recently ascribed the label “Evangelical” to all Protestant Christians. The media further tends to stereotype most Protestants as Evangelicals and Republicans. As with any stereotype, this label is ridiculously simplistic as many Protestant Christians such as Episcopalians and Presbyterians are politically centrist or left leaning.
Evangelism is the Christian practice of sharing the Good News with others. All Christians are called to evangelize in accordance with the Great Commission (Matthew 28:16-20).
So you can be an evangelist without being an Evangelical just as you can be a proponent of democracy without being a Democrat.
So be wary of labels.
Donald Miller in the great book “Blue Like Jazz” tells the story of how, in radio interview, he was sternly asked by the host to defend Christianity. “I told him that I couldn’t do it, and moreover, that I didn’t want to defend the term. He asked me if I was a Christian, and I told him yes. “Then why don’t you want to defend Christianity?” he asked, confused. I told him I no longer knew what the term meant. Of the hundreds of thousands of people listening to his show that day, some of them had terrible experiences with Christianity; they may have been yelled at by a teacher in a Christian school, abused by a minister, or browbeaten by a Christian parent. To them, the term Christianity meant something that no Christian I know would defend. By fortifying the term, I am only making them more and more angry. I won’t do it. Stop ten people on the street and ask them what they think of when they hear the word Christianity, and they will give you ten different answers. How can I defend a term that means ten different things to ten different people? I told the radio show host that I would rather talk about Jesus and how I came to believe that Jesus exists and that he likes me. The host looked back at me with tears in his eyes. When we were done, he asked me if we could go get lunch together. He told me how much he didn’t like Christianity but how he had always wanted to believe Jesus was the Son of God.

To the non-believers: what is so wrong with believing in a higher power? More than 90 percent of the world believes in some higher power – whether it be God, Allah, Buddah, Mother Earth, angels or some other entity. If it brings peace, serenity, love and a sense of purpose to one’s life, why should it bother you, as a non-believer? My advice to you – let it go and fight another battle. Leave those who believe alone.

“If a greenie is someone who cares about our envirinment, is a person who hates greenies someone who wants to trash our planet by not caring? Or maybe you just call them a Republican.”
You know, it’s so easy to insult and label. I’m a Republican and use solar power and recycle and the whole gamut of reusable technologies are being used at my ranch here in the Western U.S. – So please, don’t label. I will, however, say that the predisposition to legislate and force people to conform to Green thinking is rubbing people the wrong way. Let folks come to this on their own and there will be more support for these technologies. Besides, you fail to market to Republicans by making them appreciate the savings in going to renewable technologies – Ever think of that my dear Liberal friends? Something to consider before tossing us in the ash-heap and calling us all dead.

I think everyone should be on Ritalin. Lets call Rush Limbaugh for his advice.

jesus was and would vote democrat because he was a carpenters son so he had work for a living so he couldnt be a republican.

Religion is the worst thing that ever happened to mankind. All the hatred and resentment between different religions not to mention the millions of people who died and continue to die as victims of religious fanaticism.
But what cannot and never will sink within me is how God can create mankind and then designate a belief which dictates for him stuff that is totally against all the humanly impulses afforded him by the same God.. And just for failing to believe, bundle up a majority of them and burn them up in hell. Go tell it to the birds, it doesn’t make any sense!

==Religion is the worst thing that ever happened to mankind.==
It’s true for religions like Islam.
However, Christianity is not a religion, rather a relationship.
== All the hatred and resentment between different religions not to mention the millions of people who died and continue to die as victims of religious fanaticism.==
Then, tell the Muslims to stop it.
==But what cannot and never will sink within me is how God can create mankind and then designate a belief which dictates for him stuff that is totally against all the humanly impulses afforded him by the same God.==
God didn’t create “all the humanly impulses” in Man.
==And just for failing to believe, bundle up a majority of them and burn them up in hell.==
Scoffers, as everybody can see here, never have understood what God does and what He doesn’t do.
God does not “send” people to Hell. He lets them go cuz they reject His offer of Reconciliation through Christ. How could YOU, a parent, do for a child who turns his back on YOU?
== Go tell it to the birds, it doesn’t make any sense!==
To scoffers, none of it does.
God didn’t make Covenant with the animals.

==Jesus was a certified liberal! Fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ==
A made-up “fact.”
In fact, though, He was intolerant, which makes Him anything but Lib.

==The bible like any spiritual text is a good story with many valuable life lessons among its many contradictions…==
The contradictions are in your head.
==Evangelicals have “no position” on global warming because they realize that in order to stop global warming they would have to stop making money from petroleum products – an industry that is stacked with evangelical Republicans.==
Oh, you mean like all those evengelical Republicans in Saudi Arabia???
== Do we really need an invisible man in the sky to tell us to take care of the planet?==
Yes.
== Come on people – let’s use some common sense here.==
Translation: “Listen to me cuz I’m always right!”

ps
we can’t post links here but if you fo to Skepticalscience.com and click on “arguments” you can see all of the relevant links I have come up with in the Volcanos thread.

==/==God didn’t create “all the humanly impulses” in Man.==
Then who did?==
Man authorized the Devil.
== You might tell me that God created a righteous being…==
God was pleased with His Special Creation of Man.
==… and then the devil implanted his evil in God’s beautiful creature.==
The Devil didn’t “implant” anythng that Man didn’t authorize.
==Tell me then, who created the devil?==
God created Lucifer, one of His angels. Lucifer, taking authority upon himself to fight God, recreated himself in his own image.
==And who created all that exists? Is it not God?==
No. God didn’t create darkness. Thus, He didn’t create evil.
== Now that you claim that evil possessed the Angel Lucifer…==
Lucifer wasn’t possessed by evil. He created evil.
==… who then revolted against God together with a bunch of other rebel Angels, and was then sent off from heaven…==
He wasn’t “sent off.” He fell, or, rather, he jumped, just as Man did. It was no accident.
==… and has since been known as Satan – Would you care to explain the origin of that evil?==
Yes. It originated with Lucifer who jumped from Heaven in a fit of selfishness.
==If the being called Man was constituted by God, why should we hear you to say that some of his humanly impulses were not created by God?==
Because God created the Godly, not the ungodly. That’s cuz he didn’t ceate darkness, whence the ungodly.
== Don’t you think you would be contradicting your Christian doctrine that God is the supreme creator?==
Not at all.
==/==How could YOU, a parent, do for a child who turns his back on YOU?==
I fail to understand what kind of a person you are.==
No doubt.
==But if it was me, if my son turned my back on me, I would not “allow” him off to a fiery furnace.==
He turns his back on you and will not let you touch him, nor his life. Now what?
== Matter of fact my fatherly love would compel me to destroy that fiery furnace so that my son doesn’t find himself there.==
God makes such a way out for those who trust Him. It is by THEIR choice that they are not protected.

==…who created the devil?==
Disobedience came by Man, not by God. Disobedience sustains evil. Through Man’s portal, evil came.
Grace and Truth came by Christ Who defeated the works of the Devil. Those who reject Christ and, through Him, God, the Father, are still subject to the works of the Devil.

==Evangelicals, GOP, Just go away.==
No.
Now what?

==I fail to understand what kind of a person you are.==
The natural man, without God, is surely a failure.

==I am so tired of this holy rolling sike job, It’s just a book , a book written by man for man nothing else get over yourselfs,there are plenty other books in the world just as valid, IT’S A BOOK, ONLY A BOOK. READ IT AND SHUT UP ABOUT IT ALREADY. IT’S A BOOK , ONLY A BOOK.==
Heh. The Devil says the same thing.

==How dare someone NOT think as the evangelicals tell them too [sic].==
How dare someone NOT think as the secularists tell them “too.”

==the “Green Bible” sure beats the prosperity gospel.==
Really? The Word of God is NOT profitable and the Righteous shall NOT flourish??? Hmmm.
Then why
(Jos 1:8) This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
(Jdg 18:5) And they said unto him, Ask counsel, we pray thee, of God, that we may know whether our way which we go shall be prosperous.
(Psa 1:3) And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
(3Jn 1:2) Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
Just to name a few.

==I wonder if they highlighted the part where God says this earth is parishing and there will be none to help. ==
Where does He say this? I’ve searched the entire Word of God and cannot find it, except the parts where He is talking about Salvation, not Earth-saving “green” progams.

“right wind” —>>> right wing

==there are many Reference Bibles out there which are good.==
==…does this new kind of Bible add to or take away from the The Holy Bible? As the Bible States if one add to or takes away from it as is written will be written out of the Book of Life in Revelations 22.==
The questions, for me, are:
Did God say This? And,
If He said this in another language, is this the closest we can come to what He said?
If KJV is the Word of God, preserved in English, then all other translations and versions are ABOUT the Word of God. They can’t ALL be THE Word of God [there's ONLY One Way, not many] since, for instance, NASB leaves out half of Romans 8:1. If God said all of what KJV says He said, then THAT’s what He said, and anything that says He did not say it is in foul territory.
The reasoning, as I have been told, is that Romans 8:4 repeats what KJV says He said in :1. In other words, the insinuation is that God wouldn’t repeat Himself and that, therefore, men have to “correct” God.
“Oh,” I answered, “Why not? Maybe He wanted to make sure it got through. He had His reason, and any ‘reasoning’ that edits God is incorrect. We need to edit ourselves.” We’re not to ask, “Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?” It’s understandable that they, in His time, didn’t know and had to ask. However, we’re supposed to know by now.
Now, I understand that we don’t use “thees and “thous.” I think that changing them to “you” is harmless cuz that doesn’t change the very Foundation of the Word cuz that change is direct translation, whereas other changes may be interpretations. Private interpretations. I think that we have to be careful of what is direct translation that preserves the Word and interpretation which changes Him [I, now, don't refer to the Word as "It."]. He doesn’t change, and men try to change Him.

We’ve had all sorts of different versions of Bibles. Why not a “Green Bible”? It seems to me that more references to Mother Earth are sorely needed.

Karma is Jehovah’s recycling programme.

Does any informed person still believe in the global warming hoax?

Question to everybody: If God made earth than who made God?