Jul 17, 2009 1:43pm

National Historic Site

40 years after Apollo 11 went to the moon, NASA is back with a ship called Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, or LRO — and one of its first assignments was to look for what Apollo left behind.Each of the Apollo Lunar Modules (there were six landings in all) left behind their descent stages, including their landing legs, main rocket engine and fuel tanks.  LRO, from an altitude of about 30 miles, was able to make out the Apollo 11 descent stage as a dot — about 20 pixels in all — with a long shadow.  The result is this image — not high resolution, but remember that they've picked out an object about 12 feet across, a quarter of a million miles from Earth. LRO has also found four of the five other Apollo landing sites, and you can find the pictures HERE. Look carefully at Apollo 14 and you can make out the tracks left by a wagon on which the astronauts piled their tools and rock samples.The astronauts' discarded equipment could conceivably remain for eons, baking and freezing as the sun rises and sets, but otherwise almost undisturbed in the vacuum of space.

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I hope this finally wakes up the nay-sayers so they can grasp reality.

Posted by: Republic Defender | July 17, 2009, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

I worked with a guy who said the Apollo 11 Moon landing was fake….hope he is eating crow….

Posted by: mike | July 17, 2009, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

So there is gravity on the moon that these items just didn’t float off into space?

Posted by: Jodie | July 17, 2009, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

Yes, Jodie, there IS gravity on the Moon. IIRC, it is about 1/8th the strength of our planet’s gravity.
In fact, EVERYTHING has a gravitational field, even YOU.
Cheers,
Robert~

Posted by: Robert~ | July 17, 2009, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

Well… If they wanted to “fake” the moon landing…why would they design a lander that would leave evidence behind?…A Flag, and “moon buggy” tracks…those moon landing cover up conspiracy theorists are a strange bunch…

Posted by: 1enlightened | July 17, 2009, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

I am not a doubter, I always wanted to be an astronaut. But–why are there not tire tracks from the lunar rovers? It would seem more obvious than the tool buggy from 14.

Posted by: j_in_neast | July 17, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

I am 35yrs old, I do believe we went to the moon but…
If we did go, why have we not gone in so many years, we just barely and literally touched the surface?
How could those tapes have been erased? I understand it was a “Live TV Event”. But seriously, you don’t save the tapes for historical purposes.

Posted by: Devils_Advocate | July 17, 2009, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

This really proves nothing If this LRO is that close (30 miles)then why can’t we see more detailed pictures of the landers. We still see the same vague pictures from before.

Posted by: Trexler | July 17, 2009, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

Note from Ned Potter–
Hello to j_in_neast. You asked a good question–why no tire tracks from the Apollo 15-17 rovers? NASA’s answer is that LRO has not settled into its final lunar orbit yet, and only if the sun is very low do such subtle details stand out. They got lucky with Apollo 14. Later in LRO’s mission, they say there should be higher-resolution images.
And Devils_Advocate, you raised the question about the erased tapes from the Apollo 11 EVA. It so happens I did that story three years ago, when it first turned out they were missing, and Stan LeBar, the retired engineer in charge of the design of the video camera system, was beside himself. He said they were not simply videotapes, they were data tapes with a lot more on them than video signals. That may–may–explain why someone later missed their importance, he told me. But you’re quite right. It would have been nice to save those tapes for history.

Posted by: Ned Potter | July 17, 2009, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

I love hearing from conspiracy theorists. They are a fascinating bunch of people. The 9/11 folks are the most fun to deal with. Just don’t try to dissuade them. Instead just listen and enjoy. . .

Posted by: Jim | July 17, 2009, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

FAKE!!

Posted by: Dave | July 17, 2009, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm

I am not a doubter of the landings but those photos are of a very low quality. Maybe the objects are just so small in relation to the focus area thats the best they can be.

Posted by: Not a skeptic | July 17, 2009, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

One more note to Jodie… anything that has mass has gravity. The larger the mass, the more gravity something produces. The moon is smaller than the earth, which is why it has less gravity and the astronauts seemed to “bounce” in the videos. The moon definitely has enough mass for items such as fuel tanks to “stick” to it, but there’s no atmosphere – the vacuum of space sits right up against the moon’s surface. That’s why items left there decades ago are still sitting in the exact same spot.

Posted by: Betsy | July 17, 2009, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

My name is on an access panel of the LRO. Anyone else on this board get in on the “Send Your Name to the Moon” program? It wasn’t too well advertised.

Posted by: The_Mick | July 17, 2009, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm

Wow! Sure is nice to know that we are borrowing $$$ from China and Saudi terrorists to take crappy photos of moon garbage.

Posted by: Tor | July 17, 2009, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm

Hey Ned. Next time try write a sentence to mention the cost of all this.
And, see if ya can get anyone at NASA to explain exactly how going back to the moon will help the everage starving human child.

Posted by: Tor | July 17, 2009, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

Jodie, the moon’s gravity is about 1/6th that of earth. The pictures are low resolution because as stated, the orbiter is still settling into its final orbit. It takes a little time for an orbiter to be positioned in a permanent orbit. Plus they’re testing everything for the long term mission. Tor, all that “crappy moon garbage” made the high tech electronics we use every day possible. The need to make the systems as compact and light as possible led to the development of electronics as we know them today.

Posted by: R J | July 17, 2009, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm

The_Mick: Not only is my name on the panel, but I also carved my name into a piece of foil that was then added to the camera housing in a cleanroom!

Posted by: martian_ap | July 17, 2009, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm

To all those who question and doubt based on their own experiences: If you go out today in the deserts of southern California and north Africa you can find tracks from armored vehicles training for or fighting in WWII. Ye;s, Patton’s tankers and Rommel’s tankers left their marks, and even Mother Nature couldn’t, or didn’t, destroy them. So it is with the astronauts. Get over it, doubters, and find a new life and a new cause.

Posted by: aztec69 | July 17, 2009, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm

As with so many of the things we are led to believe as “true”, there can and should be room for reasonable doubt where one’s government is concerned. And do remember that not only is NASA government, they are DoD as well. I also wanted to be an astronaut when I was a kid, but you’d still have to be a kid to take everything the press spews out at face value. “News is something that someone, somewhere, does not want revealed. Everything else is advertising.”

Posted by: h5mind | July 18, 2009, 1:36 am 1:36 am

Grissom got killed over it, and White, and Nasa knows the truth…

Posted by: Rick | July 18, 2009, 3:41 am 3:41 am

I don’t believe that we were ever there. We didn’t have the means to get there in the 60′s. And why haven’t we been back. We should be living on the moon by now. I remember i was in 4th grade when this happen. And i said to my teacher that we didn’t have the tech to get there. And I remember her being soo mad at me. But i never really believed that we were ever there. I just now think that we are able to get there. JUST NOW.

Posted by: Gregory | July 18, 2009, 4:24 am 4:24 am

Note to Ned Potter: The last article which dredged up the old argument about “whether the moon landings were worth the cost”, made me grimace. With one stroke of the pen, Obama squanders a trillion dollars in government stimulus, and the lemmings say nothing. What an outrage!

Posted by: minute man | July 18, 2009, 6:53 am 6:53 am

THERE IS “NO WAY” THE ACTUAL FOOTAGE WAS “LOST”. COME ON, ARE ANY OF YOU THAT STUPID??? THEY DIDN’T LOSE THAT FOOTAGE! THEY WILL, HOWEVER… DOCTOR ANYTHING THEY DEEM NECESSARY TO “ALLOW” YOU DUMBED DOWN PEOPLE TO SEE.. LIE(PAR FOR COURSE) AND MANY OF “YOU” WILL BUY IT, HOOK,LINE & SINKER! EDUCATE YOURSELVES! YOU “HAVE INTERNET” (WHICH THEY ARE STEADFAST FIGHTING TO SHUT DOWN).

Posted by: THETRUTH | July 18, 2009, 8:26 am 8:26 am

WATCH WHAT’S ABOUT TO HAPPEN, THESE “FORCED” INOCULATIONS??? I REFUSE TO THEY ARE TRYING TO REDUCE THE POPULATION, GET INFORMED. THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS TOTALLY CRIMINAL! INTERNET LAST AREA OF TRUTH.

Posted by: THETRUTH | July 18, 2009, 8:37 am 8:37 am

I have been on the fence regarding the moon landings – were hey real or fake? When I heard that they were filming the sites I thought WOW this will finally settle the debate; but these fuzzy low rez images won’t convince anyone. In these days of photoshop, these blurry specs aren’t gonna settle the debate – ow, well.

Posted by: Zeldon | July 18, 2009, 8:41 am 8:41 am

I was ten years old and stood on the shore near Cape Canavaral and watched them lift off. We were about a mile away and you could feel the vibration. My family followed the entire journey – what an amazing time that was. Its been disheartening to see our space program cut so much. All of those progressive programs – energy, space, technology, etc. were programs continuous cut by the feds over time. I see how much is spent on “war” these days and think where the planet might be if we had kept up those more efficient, creative programs. It’s been a long lesson.

Posted by: DebNStPaul | July 18, 2009, 8:50 am 8:50 am

These are really deplorable pictures after 40 years. We have superior craft and lenses, yet this is what we get with all of our money? Let’s wait until the Chinese release their stereo images…

Posted by: euclidisdisappointed | July 18, 2009, 11:41 am 11:41 am

Everybody knows the moon landing was actually filmed on mars. Heh heh.

Posted by: hey Scoob | July 18, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

The image quality will improve as the LRO achieves its final orbital trajectory. If you read some more, it states the LRO has not reached its final intended orbit yet… lol. These are just early images. There will be more to come. doh! You people make me laugh.

Posted by: Eric | July 18, 2009, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

These “pictures” prove nothing. I could do that in photoshop.
The moon landings were faked. All the facts show this without doubt. Anyone with a bit of knowledge knows this. For one thing the moon isnt a planet and so doesnt have any gravity. The “landers” should be floating in space. And why are there “tracks” on the moon? After 40 years they should have vanished. Outside my home a car track doesnt last 1 month. LOL!
Also look at the picture of the “flag” on the moon. It’s WAVING! But there is no wind on the Moon!
Don’t be fooled by the great scientific conspiracy. They use these things to control us to take away our freedoms. Put your faith in God not “science”.

Posted by: Jimmy | July 18, 2009, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm

If we were going to fake moon landings–with all the risk that would entail, and the collosal damage it would do to our national reputation in the middle of a Cold War if it were ever discovered–we should as heck wouldn’t have faked 6 of them. We’d have faked Apollo 11 and said “OK, we did it!” and chanted USA over and over. But we sure wouldn’t have risked it 6 times.
We went. That’s it.

Posted by: Will | July 18, 2009, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

Tor, NASA spends about 1/2 of one percent of the federal budget. Where’s the other 99.5% going…bombs and whatnot, maybe that’s better use of funds. Think about it.

Posted by: Eric | July 18, 2009, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

Ok, Jimmy… open your mouth and remove all doubt, now we all now for sure.
Anyone with a bit of knowledge knows Yes, the moon isn’t a planet by definition, but anyone who has studied anything past 9th grade knows that anything with MASS has GRAVITY and the two are related, the more mass a body has, the stronger the gravitational field is. The “tracks outside my home a car track doesn’t last 1 month.”, statement is ludicrous since the moon only has 1/8th earth gravity and isn’t enough to sustain an atmosphere. The moon’s gravity barely keeps an astronaut from floating off in space, so a single atom of oxygen has less mass, hence wouldn’t stay on the moon anyway. No atmosphere, no wind, no erosion. Sorry, to say the flag isn’t “WAVING!”… you need to look a little closer a the videos.

Posted by: Eric | July 18, 2009, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm

I think Nasa was retared for not having more evidence of the laning in the first place.

Posted by: Chris | July 18, 2009, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

NASA has now been caught dead lying as you all may remember the 4 wheeler rover they drove all over with ?
Interesting not ONE of those images shows those tire tracks but claim in just one site seeing small foot prints.
If you cannot see the logic then I can see why you also voted for obama :-(

Posted by: JRvette | July 18, 2009, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm

Also even if better quality images show man made items only means that and not that man itself was there.
You can say we did land on the moon but then you have to say with all that experience 40 years ago why is it then that it will now take longer to get to the moon today with all that past experience and knowledge ?
Ever wonder why with 6 so called maned landings why everyone of those guys just fell off the public radar for 40 years ?

Posted by: JRvette | July 18, 2009, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm

Not only do I have my name on an access panel on the LRO, but NASA used some tin foil from a baked potato I cooked for supper, AND they burned copies of some of my mixed music CDs.

Posted by: Craig | July 18, 2009, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm

Do the naysayers believe for one minute that the Soviets would’ve allowed us to take credit for the biggest accomplishment in the history of mankind? The milked the launching of Sputnik for over ten years reminding the world after everyone of their launches that they had been first into space and first in putting a man in space as well. Sorry naysayers there’s zero gravity in your beliefs.

Posted by: miamihurricane | July 18, 2009, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm

The moon landing was faked? What planet are you from?

Posted by: hey Scoob | July 19, 2009, 12:46 am 12:46 am

OK, as an environmental scientist, I was taken by how sensitive that environment is… it’s been 40 years, and it appears from the article that there has been NO degradation (or recovery) of the lunar landing sites.
GREAT story!!

Posted by: Fiercely___Independent | July 19, 2009, 2:37 am 2:37 am

Those who don’t believe it could not do it to begin with.

Posted by: LongT | July 19, 2009, 7:21 am 7:21 am

Tor; Can you actually be so naive to believe that the government would take that small 0.8% of the national budget that goes to NASA and apply that toward starving children”? Have you actually gone to NASA’s web site and seen the programs they have where they look at the environment for farming and water?

Posted by: PNA9876 | July 19, 2009, 10:47 am 10:47 am

The moon’s gravity is approximately 1/6th that of earth’s.

Posted by: LongT | July 19, 2009, 11:19 am 11:19 am

my dad was a jet engine in the navy and hes very non-believing how can i prove him wrong he wants to know why there is no dust when the ship and departed, also why is the lighting wrong , and how can place a flag in frozen ground and if the footprints and shuttle landing spots are still how come there is pictures are so low res. also want to know who filmed and took pictures of the landing

Posted by: glenn | July 19, 2009, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

Its a shame that those that cant understand reaching for something bigger then themselves, and in preaching far out conspiracy theories they come up with whatever ill conceived logical argument forcing someone to disprove a negative….
When you stick your head in the sand next time, keep it there…..

Posted by: Ostrich | July 19, 2009, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

Anyone who believes the moon landings are fake are morons and need to have some psychiatric help.

Posted by: SChaos1701 | July 19, 2009, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm

Ths is Photoshop at it’s finest…..the Hollywood moon landing was faked….they tore down the soundstage right after apollo 17.

Posted by: Fake Fake | July 20, 2009, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

I downloaded the large images from the LRO site. I blew the images up to 400% and compared tham to the detailed landing site charts on Google Moon. The Apollo 15 image clearly shows the shadow of the buggy about 100 meters to the right of the decent stage. The Apollo 17 image show the shadow of the buggy about 150 meters to the left of the decent stage, but that part of the image is dark and it is hard to see. Tire tracks are visible between the decent stage and the buggy.
I can’t wait until the higher resolution images are released!

Posted by: Achernar | July 21, 2009, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm

Ned Potter said:
“He said they were not simply videotapes, they were data tapes with a lot more on them than video signals. That may–may–explain why someone later missed their importance, he told me. But you’re quite right. It would have been nice to save those tapes for history.”
And thus the should have been put in the national archives or a museum, no? Much less important crap gets a place in the hundreds of space exploration museums, but noone could find a corner for the most important video tape ever made? Were they low on VHS tapes and someone needed to record “Wife Swap”? That is ridiculous and quite unbelievable. More likely they were sold illegally to a collector.

Posted by: Luke | August 7, 2009, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

I have no way to verify anything our government claims about the moon prgram, as they have long since lost any credibility. The fact is no other nation managed to land men there in the intervening 40 years. Stranger still is that our Hubble telescope can snap glorious full-color pics of exploding nebula billions of light years away, but cannot manage to provide a single decent high resolution shot of our celestial neighbor a paltry 230,000 miles distant? We should be able to count the rivets on the lunar module; instead, we are treated to fuzzy pixelated shots that look like they were taken with a disposable camera.
For the curious, Google the Apollo 11 post-mission press conference. Armstrong, Collins and Aldrin appear morose and dejected, describing their never-before achievement like it was a funeral. Hardly the sort of reaction one would expect in such a situation. I don’t know what had these guys so bummed out, but I doubt it had anything to do with being tired or poor public speakers.

Posted by: h5mind | September 26, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am

i still dont believe we have put a human in space i dont know how legit this is…

Posted by: Kevin | September 28, 2009, 12:47 am 12:47 am

Tor: If we don’t eventually colonize space, there won’t be any starving children – or full ones. The alternative to space exploration and colonization is extinction – and not in a few billion years when the Sun expands, but much sooner. Feeding starving kids is important, but ignoring man’s long term survival is short sighted – unfortunately, most Americans are short sighted and agree with you.

Posted by: Mark | September 29, 2009, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

Has anyone thought of the digital capabilities we have today? If NASA was able to fake a moon landing in the sixties, then they could definitly fake these new pictures. You laugh at skeptics, but you are so quick to believe what anyone else tells you. (saturn’s rings are made of candy corn)

Posted by: needproof | October 8, 2009, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

Here is the deal, I dont care about any of the stuff that is pure speculation, heres the tracks, heres a tiny spec we say is a path, dont care. When they released photos of the original landing, the crosshairs in the photos disappeared behind rocks and other such objects. Any intelligent person knows those crosshairs are on the camera, therefore should ALWAYS be in front of ANY object. They werent. So when they can explain that to me I will never ask another question, until then I am always suspect.

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