Transcript: Karl Rove Interview

N E W  Y O R K, Aug. 31, 2004 -- One of the most influential people at the Republican National Convention is Karl Rove, the man in charge of President Bush's political strategy.

As Rove was laying out the campaign's strategy over a year ago, he told ABC News in an interview that the 2004 presidential election would, in part, be a referendum on Bush's vision.

"Somebody gets to be smart and somebody gets to be dumb," he said. "If we win, it'll be because of the president. And if we lose, it'll be because of me."

Peter Jennings interviewed Rove about his influence in the Bush adminstration, the president's thoughts on the "war on terror," and Republican attacks against Sen. John Kerry. The following is an excerpt of that interview:

PETER JENNINGS: So we come to this convention, and we listen to people and they all end up, many of them anyway, saying the same thing: "The world has changed since 9/11." I say, "How come you all say the same thing?" And they say, "Karl told us to say this." Karl, the presence of Rove. It's like you're God.

KARL ROVE: Whoever you were talking to, who told you that, must have been funnin' you, because it's not true.

JENNINGS: Give, in all fairness, an accurate impression of how much power you have.

ROVE: [makes a zero with his fingers] Look, I'm an aide to the president. I serve at his sufferance. He's been a friend of mine for a great many years. I'm supposed to look out after certain activities within the White House, the Office of Intergovernmental Affairs, the Office of Public Liaison, the Office of Strategic Initiatives, the Office of Political Affairs. But I'm one of the great many people who serve as a senior aide.

JENNINGS: Why does no one in the world believe that?

ROVE: Washington operates on this. If you don't think President Bush is smart and capable and able, you've got to find some way to explain his success, and so what they do is they put his brain in somebody else's body.