Transcript for GOP strategist says Cohen investigation 'could be the end of (Trump's) presidency'
to be presid a person who sees L equivalence in charlottesville. Who talks about and treats women like they're pieces of meat. Who lies constantly about mas all and S the American people believe it? That person is not fit to be president tstates on moral grounds. O you think we have gotten too used to these tweets? Dulled? Yeah. I think it's a Dan E numb to . The president of the united States is accusieo crimes wit evidence. And pronouncing them guilty and saying they shoue in jail. That should wake all of us up with a start. Several presidential tweets this morning. Asamesey continues his book tour. A lot to talk abth our "Roundtable. Joinedy Jon Karl. Chief white house correspondent. Amy chozick, out with a new book, "Chasing Hillary." Ten years, presideial cagns. Counter James Comey's. Com who? Alex Castellanos and Stephanie cutter. Jon, let's pick up on the LI conversation we had withur legaexs at the Tom. You heard their Lal views. 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As listening as voters ling pretty good a T paychecks, Democrats can't gcent. Ifublicans sft and STA talking about the economy and taxehen, you kw,y're going to have hard time. Voters are not that motivated by Russia. To particular siion, the gerr of that ate lost T cvention been points. Thon the priry by 44 points. E people tt go to ens they Thi trigonometry is a IST plot. This got mikleected. Both parties have activist forces working. Ight now, ey do. On the Republican side, there -- there seem to this conflict over how to deal with trump. On one hand, you have house mes this D red districts who are hugging him hard. Ese senate cdates, it's more complicated. Especially candidates is para ser states that are not deep, deep red. Seeing some Republicans, more inthe senatetrying to inpendence. We you see the move to try to T a billprrt muel Mcconnell put a -- onnell's P stop to I the bill is not going anywhere. You have a number of pro Republican support T bill. 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I hate to agree with stephanie,ut I think she right. The suburbs are doing well that's where suburban, E, college-educated women, are coming out in droves to vote against Donald Trump. It's not about aracter.itut who he is and hat he he's done. That was AIG part of Hillary Clinton's message. Before we go, Amy, I want to talk to you and ybody Abou the retions you have in your book about the 2016 campaign. Including reflons about E press. There are some second thoughts about the way we all handlhe e-mail matter. About the way we all dealt with those hack Russian e-mails at got so ch coverage.tiene en Su LI Right. Absolutely. I foe that her supporters have trouble with the way we covered her e-mails. That understanble. The bigger issue is the hacks. Do we dealit?ter the election, it kept me enemigo queus patidari up at night to think I did what we all did. By covering those podest e-il we became shlgy -- we , as M newspaper intelligence. We were throughout. 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There are millions of aning why thck we so much time tal about Hillary's when wh she was doing was same as other secretaries of state. It really wasn't. It really was, Jon. Instead of talking about issues. What other secretary of S had prserver -- That Hillary Clinton and her e-mails overmed that Campain terms of the coverage. Amy, you admit, I have not read ur book. But ieadhe excerpt you questi whether "E new yoime" was cering trump the right way. Putting a TV reporter on him N a political reer inially. That all influenced the caaign. Ere were lots ofoshs discuss INT campaign. Whether or not she had a privatesein -- according the law, aloud her to do, really did not pa She was supposed to turn over R she DI do it unt the story broke. It was dit to get any other stories to break through. And infairness, we kefred all of her policies. I tried to W sympathet biphical features. Perfect example. I wrote the this sympathetic,phical speech feature about moving to Arkansas and this feminist mentor trying to talk her of it. I spent a year oe story. The campaign didn't want it. Ngress. It didn't make the paper. I couldn't get anyth break through.ttodos influyeron en la But the question there is, are Y writing to make mething bakthrough? Reou riting what you think the news is? Is a queson that I think E to ask going into the next election. It's a big question fll of us.u look back and say, listen, there were things done wrong. Que the e-mails. Nostthat. There's something structurally in media where we have equazerything. If you point out a wrong doing on side, youavoint oua wrongdoing on the other. They automatically become equivalent. Been not enough equalization. How much we covered. How mu tss coveredhe mails. How much investigative work wis done on Donald Trump particarly during E praries? Not enough. He was portrayed as a phenon. The excitement. The attacks. The latest outrageous thing. Or whatever. Much investigative reporting going on until it was frankly too late Andwas click it he would not be president fferent media roque contin??a hasta que fuera THA of Twitter and live-streaming. A candidate Hillary and distant from the press. It was -- known. And well known. Would look at this and say, you know what? Dot forget Hillary Clinton was a pitifully bad candidate, who a horribleampaign, who ran a corrupt foundation while she S secretary of state and that was not covered. I disagree she was a terrible ndidate. I ha T look at the deba And, byway, now a Democrat P -- -- Sure S that with. The empire is one big mess. Haas covered he democraparty -- That isll trump talked about. Doesn't mean it's true. Where is E about a democratic party that laundered thrgh a Lawe. Firm to pay a rsian spy for dirt on trump?it stself. Republicans initially funded? - Enough 2016. We'r. Thank you that was great. Thank you all very much. 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