More Violence in Ferguson, MO After National Guard Called In

Police crackdown on protestors continues as tensions still high 10 days after unarmed teen Michael Brown’s shooting death.
17:40 | 08/19/14

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The Ferguson police giving way to Saint Louis county police who turned the city over to the Missouri state Highway Patrol. And late yesterday the National Guard -- the results -- about the same and other nights tear gas and flash grenades. As protesters and armored police faced -- just blocks from where Michael brown and -- -- local teenager was shot and killed by officer Darren Wilson. -- -- -- Dan -- in New York the protests now well into their second week and no end in sight. Attorney general Eric Holder is expected -- tomorrow so for the latest on what's happening today on the ground when he but he's he's he's. -- Gonzales Marcy. Hey Danielle you mentioned the National Guard there are here now for the first. Full day but their main job is just protecting this police command center. With no sign of the tensions in this community calming. It's becoming a nightly routine here in Ferguson. Protesters flooding the streets are -- -- Always came under heavy gunfire at officers and -- -- again responding with tear gas. And arresting 31 people saying many of them were from out of state and. I want to -- the good people -- others there. To come out of protest tomorrow -- in the daytime hours. Make your voice is heard. You canvassing. The protest -- during the day have been peaceful are sparked by the death of Michael Brown the unarmed eighteen year old shot more than a week ago by officer Darren Wilson. To date for the first time we're hearing from one of Wilson's friends. He's a really quiet guy -- he is just really well mannered I can never imagine. Him shooting anybody even as a police officer. Evidence in the case could be presented to a grand jury as soon as tomorrow including two autopsy results showing brown was shot at least six times. Autopsy in the ballistics to me are are essential in this case -- if he's just six shots were taken from far away. And all of the bullets hit him in the front that's going to be a very tough spot for the police officer to be if however. This was fired at close range the police officers gonna say there was a struggle. And that of course is what police maintained a right now not too many protesters out on the street. Relative calm right now of course somebody hoping that it stays peaceful as night falls. Down -- ABC's Marissa Gonzales in Ferguson forest Marcy thank you for bad. I want to bring in former new York city police commissioner Ray Kelly. Talk about this and pressure -- to ask you about this protesters on -- -- police and military gear with military weapons -- armored vehicles on the other. We've seen the nights of protest I -- this is a question of relativity. Is the situation -- stabilizing. We hope so and and I think the tactic that was used less -- are actually -- this morning. Of going in and arresting the wrong do was -- criminals I think is the right way to go. People obviously have a right to demonstrate but then majority of people out there are. Peaceful and exercising their constitutional rights but there's a small group and is a consensus that says that that are committing crimes. Those people should be identified should be photographed. And should have a special arrest teams go when an arrest those people. I think that would ultimately be helpful in at least stabilizing the the situation you're probably going to have. Demonstrations of some sort for quite awhile there but in terms of unlawful activity. I think gave you know going after these individuals is the way to go. You are no stranger to handling these kinds of demonstrations approach has -- in your opinion when you see these pictures and you see that militarized presence then. How do you -- these decisions as far as moving forward for what police should be doing next because there is the one argument that you have to show that there is forced that there is strength on the one side. At the same time. You don't want to insinuate more problems. Look I think is a legitimate issue as to whether or not military items should be used it in policing throughout the -- is that something. To be visited after this -- -- Calms down. This is the equipment that and they have. This is what they're going to use that what -- the arrived with. They wanna protect themselves. It's dangerous out there these situations and I -- to give to legitimate. Topic of of our conversation and I don't think very. The the vehicles or the protection that they're being used by -- and really. A significant issue as far as the demonstrations. -- concerned -- something to talk about. But -- did you talk about it -- -- Franklin. How do you reach out plan to stabilize that community do you go out to community organizer is do you go out to clergy. But I think you do both and you do go after opinion former -- and try to interact with them hopefully some relationship. Have existed. That before this a -- you obviously talk to the clergy. As well -- a powerful. Force in the communities such as. A Ferguson and it did not easy conversation to have. But you have to continue to. Communicate or and make an effort to. To communicate and I think that ultimately will. Calm things down. When captain Ron Johnson and -- first right in the same captain of the Saint Louis Highway Patrol. He was greeted with hugs it was warm reception for him he seemed to be embraced by the community and he seemed to be embracing the community itself. He's obviously spoken about the need to call. Violence -- is continuing in I guess the question is now as we've been watching these -- play out is he being undermined by his own commanders. Whom I have no way of of of knowing that I think he's gonna. A fine job for everything I can see -- 12100 miles away but. You know I don't know if he is in charge. Of the tactics or he is a coordinator he was labeled as a as a coordinated so it's hard to get a sense of who is in overall. Commander of the the maneuvers orders because that the tactics. That -- used to mean he's eloquent the who speaks well he gets the message out he certainly willing to. To me with the press so I think he'd be doing everything he reason we can do. I I don't I don't see any indication that he is being on the but I think what you do need though is coordination he communication. -- all of the did the commanders if you will. Are talking to each other and they're sort of singing from the same issued -- music you don't need different folks people and getting out there there's in front of -- -- How important was that when you were handling the situations -- when you're a police commissioner during Occupy Wall Street protests as far as being able to have. Each department have that same concerted message that same type of effort. In force. Being universally applied -- absolutely. -- and -- relatively speaking. Is much easier in this situation have multiple jurisdictions. That are responding in big cities like new York and Chicago you're going using one department with whom nobody paid one ahead. Of that the -- you're going to have the same. A tactic is much easier to control. Then a situation like to see and in Ferguson with multiple jurisdictions you have local police departments coming you have. -- state Highway Patrol you have these Saint Louis county. Please have the Ferguson -- -- that is challenging. And no question about it to actually manage and and direct so. And that regard big cities have a great -- advantage -- able to mask their resources. And have them. Go in and act as a sort of cohesive unit a lot of these obviously offices have not worked together before. Do you think there's been a logical steps than by the offices that are on -- street -- Ferguson as far as mace as far as tear gas as far as the actions as they've used then. Well this is part of the the culture if you will that's what used by smaller departments. Because they don't have the manpower to do. NASA's as I said before so you can't -- is -- is being used. Big cities generally speaking don't use -- a tear gas and usually it's it's a factor of being undermanned that's when you'll -- against being being implement it. How exactly -- do you balance. Again -- on your experience with handling of protest from Occupy Wall Street and I bring that up only because it is still relatively. -- a lot of people's minds as far as the images that we saw from those events. How do you balance the response by police or other authorities. In handling the media as opposed to those that are demonstrating are those that are protests. Finally media and a big departments have a unit that that that. -- -- interact with the media. You get information out there is no quickly as possible you do it. On up on a regular basis and do you use to sort of a daily crisis if you will. And and unfortunately or that mean -- is the way it is small apartments are not structured to do that don't have the resources. To do -- this is a small town that has the eyes of the world for focusing on it and it it no question about it. Lots of of challenges and believe me in a big city an event like this would certainly be could be a challenge -- know. Perfect way to handle situations like this only when you look at it sort of retrospectively. From a significant distance can you say whether or not things went reasonably well. If you have a you know a questionable. Shooting you're going to have. -- community. Demonstrations people being upset and you -- neither. The -- of historical perspective if you will the determine whether or not it's -- it's been handled well. They are going to be chaotic in the -- be. Confusing. I want to get your thoughts on this with a police chief had released the surveillance video. Michael Brown. Was -- a point that it was. Not being coordinated with the saint Louis Missouri Highway Patrol was it a point of almost muddying the waters as far as trying to reveal more of what Brown's character potentially might hit -- that led to the. Shooting. Watch this this underscores the fact that you need legal advice you need. Legal advises the police department does on the street and you need to. That actions that you're going to take with lawyers. -- before you do it and in terms of of not coordinating. With these -- patrol that's precisely what captain Johnson says he did not know. That that was was going to take place so. Again you need to get people together ideally you have -- spokes. Person that means everybody is sort of saying the same the same thing if you're -- have multiple. Spokespeople but you need -- consistency. Of message I think. In this case obviously captain Johnson. Did note not know that the the video was going to be. Put up. Sales kind of puts -- to the fact that they cannot be -- not to do a full fair and thorough investigation. How then did they change that perception in the public. Welcome people always say that a local agency can -- do a full fair. You know when and professional investigation and matters that such as this. I think what they have to do is in fact. Do that precisely. To -- -- -- to do an objective. Investigation. And presented to me a grand jury but they'll always be people -- say the local local. Authorities the local please the local prosecutors can never do -- -- drove you have to go to the the federal government and we've seen that that. You know that being the charged in in this case but. I think the the system has to go forward -- has to be done. On the local places normally. Do -- terms of federal civil rights investigations are issues they're done somewhat down the road. They've gotten in pretty early. Here in this in this investigation. We'll see what that all means but irrespective of that I think the the local process is going to go forward and both say is too as to whether or not people think it's fair and objective. And at the same time there have now been three autopsy performed on Michael Brown's body one of those being ordered by attorney general Eric Holder on -- federal level on the national scope of things. How does the president's presence how -- his comments play into the situation on the ground -- -- The president it's presence or the the president yes. The president going to is is far as far as comments that he that he is made about about the protest Tuesday and and and and the investigation going forward. Well I think the president trying to. -- the situation obviously is concerned about it he's the spots. The attorney general. To go to Ferguson tomorrow. From. I think generally overall it has a a calming. Influence and you know we'll see again. Tonight if in fact. -- had. Any effected obviously. And this morning. There was -- problems and and I think that the president's statements. Overall are helpful. Lesser push Yorkers are wanted to ask you about this -- mean when you're seeing these images and as they've changed over the past almost not two weeks. Given the experience that you have do you see -- hopeful at this point that there will come a point where as you point out that those that are. Looting that those are violently protesting. That they will actually be successfully separated out the police will handle only that and in fact there will become an environment. Where protesters and demonstrators will be able to protest and and and carry out not -- that day but also in the evening as well. Also I think we can foresee that depending on how well the arrest operations ago I think you can have towers. That you have observers and you take pictures of the people who are committing crimes these people are criminals they deserve to be arrested. And you assemble a rest teams need to do that you may have undercover officers in the crowd. Who can identify those those people and may not arrest them right away -- -- and after the the crowds thoughts to dispersed but I think it's important. To arrest those individuals who were involved in in criminal acts and if that's done consistently I think of lower. Certainly lower the tensions while. In the normal understandable. And demonstrations go forward. I wanna ask them less -- -- -- special stimulus -- but I wanted to get this because obviously experience in the incident you've had over the years of overseeing the New York police department. When you see these scenes from Ferguson Missouri are you surprised about the intensity. No I'm not surprised -- the intensity that's you know this is an important issue it's an emotional issue it's an issue that the community certainly -- as -- around but -- it's an international. If you know people looking at this all over the world so you going to get people people who legitimately concerned who go. To Ferguson who got all the people who go there who are or looking for. The opportunity to perhaps cause some disruption. So you know if it is the intensity I think. Is understandable and part of it is driven. By the media and the media coverage that is a tremendous. Focus on on this event and let's face it some of it is as a result of media coverage if there was less media coverage. Are no media coverage you probably wouldn't see that level of intensity is -- I actually decrease them from that. I'm sorry you think it might actually decrease that from the -- from the exposure level. -- why I think I think the level of exposure has something to do it not this not the critical. Reason but I think it's something to do with the if you say the level of intensity or the the the sort of some of the violent acts that. Have taken place -- and I think if you if that was shifted for -- -- major issues. The -- The public's attention somewhat. You'll see that intensity go to. Former New York police commissioner and ABC news consultant Ray Kelly Rea thank you so much free time and -- always appreciated. Of course you can stay up to date with the latest on the story from Ferguson and real time by downloading the ABC news -- -- starring that story for exclusive updates on the go. For now I'm down -- New York.

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