I am Carl be out with 538 and I'm here with as a gentleman who's director of OJ made in America I'm here because there's something that was really striking during the trial and that also comes up in the film which is to different way to people viewed its. Cage during the trial and then after the verdict where's the majority about three quarters of white people surveyed thought that OJ Simpson was guilty of and about three cars a lot of people thought he was not guilty. And that's changed since the film sensitive events covered in the fill the gap between whites and blacks on this case has changed and I want your perspective on why that might be. Well I think more important in the gas from blacks and whites it's just that the opinions of pluck people specifically changed. Thumb and I think it's there's a few factors the civil from 1996 for a Jim Purcell is found responsible. For the murders. Ron Goldman and Nicole Simpson and there is new evidence that came to life there were as evidence. There's bloody shoe prints that were seen or criminal trial but. They you know the actual shoes. You know this prince came from after OJ lied in his deposition or said in his deposition excuse me that. He. Had never did known it was ugly aspirin or my wishers. They found photos. Of him wearing their issues and several he was he was proven to be a liar so that's the first factor thing. The second factor I think it's the pattern of behavior better jazz engaged in the way that we've absorbed him in the world which is whenever we've seen him. He's been in the news fur. A road rage and sedan are sort of you know doing stupid reality shows like juice. And then you gets you a couple of years after that and he she pens a book or at least takes part. In a book called if I didn't anyone who defend them into a thought he was innocent I think has been given license. To sort of changed their mind. You know both from it from an evidentiary standpoint. But also from bitter standpoint do you think it's mostly about the details of the people involved in the case any evidence as opposed to. Broader issues. Tension between police and black community that. Became so important during the trial and the way people responded to oh I do think that what was happening at the trial. I'm certainly a sort of affected how people might have answered those questions that time and I'm not to say they didn't under percent believe that urges guilty. But when you're looking at a trial where there's a black defendant and there is allegations. Of framing. Of sorts tampering with evidence. There's a cop who with a history of racial animus who's proven to have perjured himself on the stand. When he said he had never used the and route four and then we hear tapes opinions in the inward. It's not surprising that more people more black people after watching going through there's nine months the trial. Came out IRN. Believing even more so. That he was innocent but how much have that had to do with with the OJ himself. And the evidence you know against him in this crimes. World. Was it did have to do with the only to be found the capability. Of them in terms of framing someone you know and and that history and so I think it's hard to separate the two. And I do think that twenty years removed 21 years removed you know when a different place in our culture. There might be a any. Increased openness and not say that that's so much has changed in terms of the issues that we face today especially when it comes so police abuse. But it just maybe people are a little live more open. Obama bin willing to sort of go on the record so yeah I believe merger. Is guilty of thanks a lot is referred talking to us. In her the film is gonna premier again on ABC at 9 o'clock and Saturday and that's part one. And then part two and 34 and five will be Tuesday Wednesday Friday Saturday funniest.