War Without Borders: The Growing Threat of Commando-Style Raids Across the World

Author David Kilcullen discusses new book about the changing nature of warfare.
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Transcript for War Without Borders: The Growing Threat of Commando-Style Raids Across the World
-- Welcome to Yahoo! power players -- David Curley of ABC news and today we're joined by David Cook calling. Who is an expert on warfare a former soldier with the Australian military and you have a new book out it's called out of the mountains you talk about. All the aspects -- demographic changes so where people are going to live and how warfare is going to change. Warfare he states that his political irregular warfare involving guerrilla zones -- -- -- Or even just -- groups is continuing in about the same right as it has for the last couple generations saw over the next thirty years or so Republicans -- A greater proportion of conflict on the planet. Being that -- -- conflict. When you get down to it which you -- talking about is. The populations. In these more dense urban. Areas these cities want to feel safe and it's a question of who makes them feel safe whether it's the criminals -- the terrorists. Or whoever's trying to control a contractor -- that an adversary coming in. The environment is easy to describe three billion more people. In David environments on coastlines predominately in the Third World. Between now and 25 hole West Coast of India could be one giant slum city -- the stretch. Whether it results in you know of warfare or just crime. Is actually going to be one of them. Primary challenges that people going to be doing the solution to that problem is not to bring the military and in the end it boils down to partnerships with local population. And designing solutions that work for them to make them feel safe and whenever you can do that without involving the military. That's the better option for Americans. -- westerners. -- are these groups gonna reach out to try and touch -- -- is -- really significant change the new thing that's dramatically exploited in the lost decade is connectivity. So in the U2 thousand there with 30000 so funds in Nigeria. State -- a 150 million and that's pretty typical of just a massive explosion connectivity -- stuff that happens in one country. Doesn't stay -- and immediately comes. Climb to -- we -- you spend a bit of time talking about the Mumbai terrorist attack and how a small number of men. But it infiltrate cause a lot of destruction a lot of death is that something that Americans could see happen on our shores very much Mumbai up to my mind is actually the state of the all of maritime wistful. Terrorism and in fact we've seen a number of groups including -- Somali terrorist group. But also there -- groups in Europe and groups in the United States figure out how to copy. That -- attack which is basically like a commando style ride on a lodge coastal city where they looked at how the city floated the sort of metabolism. Of the environment and infiltrated and a way to deliberately disrupt. The city. And I would. Could well see that happening in. Cities across the plan includes it is nonsense to advise David Petraeus and several -- other generals we've put it and higher counterinsurgency program together. Did it work I think it depends on whether you're talking about Afghanistan or Iraq animals that depends on -- the -- about the military. Or the political aspects of the campaign and I think in both cases we sort of been a military outcome. Then the ultimate political outcome Willis talking a counter insurgency what we were trying to do is you're trying to get the population on your side and primarily make the population say I mean it's not just by military strategy counterinsurgency. It also involves very significant. Political and dominance components so if you -- in the case of Iraq for example. When we went into the beginning of the surgeon about for a -- seven. Blue -- past 3000 Iraqi civilians that we by September of 2007. We had -- -- 95% drop in civilian casualties so that's military on I would say that that -- But then ultimately we want Iowa to deliver. A political agreement about what was gonna happen off to the corner and as a result and also because whats going on in Syria. Today we see Iraq going back to some of the same kind of violence that it saw. And seven. David -- calling the book is called out of the mountains it's wonderful distillation you've had. Quite the field the look at a number of terrorist attacks in two wars. Thank you very much for things you'd have -- for -- and thank you for joining us for Yahoo! power players I'm David -- from ABC news you can follow me on Twitter. At David underscored her. Thanks for joining.

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