Prison Boss: No Innocent Men in Guantanamo

HARRIS: Those techniques were used for a very short period of time. And they were resented.

So we stick closely, precisely, to the Army Field Manual on Interrogations. And that's what we follow. And I believe the interrogators here -- you've met some of them yesterday -- they're professional young men and women; they know their business. And some of them -- Mr. Ruster (ph) is not necessarily young -- but they know their business. And they know how to -- how to interrogate to the maximum effect without abusing or harming the detainees.

And I think the detainees -- they either tell them what -- they either tell them information, or they don't. But there's no making them talk or making them tell information.

MORAN: A lot of people are going to hear you say these things, and they've listened to detainees who've been released and lawyers who've talked to detainees, who have said the detainees are abused here, regularly.

And they're going to say Admiral Harris is feeding us the party line.

HARRIS: Well, all I can suggest is that if they're in the media, that they should come visit, as you have and other folks have had the chance to come down here; they should talk to the International Committee of the Red Cross; they should talk to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe; they should talk to the many folks who have come to Guantanamo.

And I believe that the vast majority of the folks who have visited us, their minds have been changed, because they see how we do business. And they see that what we do is not torture. It's not abusive.

MORAN: But we see only one side of the story, the side you want.

HARRIS: Right. Of course.

MORAN: Can we talk to detainees while we're here?

HARRIS: No, you can't.

MORAN: Why not?

HARRIS: That's a policy decision that's not mine to make.

MORAN: We have written permission from some of the detainees and their lawyers.

HARRIS: Right.

MORAN: And their family. Can we talk to them?

HARRIS: You cannot.

And again, it's -- that's a policy decision that I'm not going to -- you know, I can't. That's not my policy to change.

But I support that idea that they cannot.


HARRIS: Because we don't know the security information that they might share. And they might share information of a security nature that might jeopardize other detainees, that might jeopardize other detainees' families that are not here and whatnot. So we can't afford to do that. And I believe it's in the best interests of the camp as a whole not to do that.

MORAN: Switch gears again here.

OK. The day the three detainees committed suicide, when you heard about it, what went through your mind?

HARRIS: The first thing -- they called me about -- a little after midnight. The first thing I wanted to know was how did they do it? And then, are there other detainees that are at risk of committing suicide?

And so, I went down to the camps, and the whole leadership team was down there. And we looked at it. And then the next thing that happened was we convened an investigation. The Navy Criminal Investigative Service, NCIS, was brought in to do that investigation, to do the death scene investigation. And that investigation is still ongoing.

MORAN: So the first thing that went through your mind when you heard about the suicide was how did they do it.

HARRIS: How did they do it?

MORAN: Did you have any sense of pity?

HARRIS: I felt -- I was disappointed that...

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