Koppel: To a doctor.
Miscavige: To a doctor, excuse me. In fact, she's been to a doctor 220 times while she was in Scientology. In fact, when we sent her out of the church we asked her to please go to a medical doctor and see if something was wrong.
Koppel: The charge, as I recall it, Mr. Miscavige, is that with many of these people, not just with--
Miscavige: No, no, let me finish this one. Let me finish this one because it's important.
Koppel: …not just with Ms. Friend -- I'll let you get back to it in just a second -- the charge is that you inevitably -- I don't mean you personally, I mean the church -- send people who complain of some illness to a doctor, but a doctor who is also a Scientologist.
Miscavige: I don't know where you got it. It's invented. I never heard it in my life.
Koppel: So it's-- So if someone-- Well--
Miscavige: First time I heard it.
Koppel: It's not the first time, because you've read the L.A. Times series, and it was in the L.A. Times series.
Miscavige: Oh, if it was in the L.A. Times series, I didn't read that. Believe me, I don't read a report on Scientology from the L.A. Times to find out what it is, so I did not read that in detail.
Koppel: No, but you've got to understand what your critics are saying--
Miscavige: This is not so.
Koppel: …about you, right?
Miscavige: It's just not so. Not so at all. Just absolutely not so.
Koppel: Any Scientologist who wants to go to an outside doctor, no problem?
Miscavige: Anybody he wants. It's just an outrageous charge. I have no idea where it came from.
Koppel: Okay. The-- What do you call the folks who are up at the higher level of your church, the ones in the uniforms? What is that--
Miscavige: Staff members, Sea-Org members of the church.
Koppel: Sea-Org? What does that stand for?
Miscavige: Sea Organization. Originally--
Miscavige: Yes, from the sea.
Miscavige: Yeah. Sure. Absolutely. From the ocean.
Koppel: What does that mean?
Miscavige: Well, originally this group of people were based on ships at sea, and that's where the term Sea Organization came from.
Koppel: That was at a time when all kinds of folks were going after L. Ron Hubbard and he moved his operation out to sea?
Miscavige: Not because all kinds of folks were going after L. Ron Hubbard.
Koppel: Well, I mean, the IRS was going after him, weren't they, at that time?