We need to win in this issue. We need to win in this election. We need to win in this. You can't fix the problem as long as you're fixing the blame. And the thing that I dislike the most about our current American discourse is people are constantly blaming everybody else.
TAPPER: There's been a lot of talk this year about the proper role of religion in public life. For the first time, according to polls, Americans said it's too much expression of faith by politicians. When we at ABC News asked in a poll last month about whether political leaders should rely on their religious beliefs in making policy decisions, an overwhelming majority, 63 percent, said no.
Where you do you think -- what do you think about the role of faith in public life?
R. WARREN: Well, I certainly believe in the separation of church and state. I do not believe in the separation of faith and politics, and the reason why is that faith is simply a world-view. Everybody has a world-view.
So we're saying that only those with religious world-views aren't welcome at the table? Of course, everybody's world-view informs how they vote on any particular policy. So I'm in favor of everybody being able to come to the table with a world-view. I do not believe in imposing what I believe on everybody else.
TAPPER: You oppose same-sex marriage. ABC News, in a recent poll found that 52 percent of the American people now support same-sex marriage. That's definitely the direction that public opinion is going.
Do you think there will come a time when Saddleback Church needs to adjust its position on same-sex marriage in the same way the churches have throughout the years adjusted their position, for instance, on divorce.
R. WARREN: Well, if the Bible is the word of God, then I don't have the right to change it. Policies come and go over the years. And so if I'm unpopular for certain beliefs, well, then I'm unpopular for certain beliefs. And to me, the Bible is very clear that sex is for a man and a woman in marriage only.
That makes me extremely unpopular. Why? Because I don't believe in premarital sex. I believe sex is only for marriage, between a man and a woman, and it has a purpose there. Why? Because I believe the Bible. Why would -- why would anybody expect a Christian pastor to believe anything else?
TAPPER: I didn't ask you if you'd change your mind. But certainly your church has members who have engaged in premarital sex.
R. WARREN: Oh, of course.
TAPPER: And I'm wondering if you think the church, in order to continue to thrive, might have to adjust its policy on same-sex marriage?
R. WARREN: Actually, history shows that when the church accommodates culture, it weakens it. This is why there is a very weak church in Europe today. It's almost non-existent in many areas.
TAPPER: So all this talk about the culture wars makes me think of an unusual arena in which the culture wars have erupted and that is the National Football League. And Tim Tebow is very public expressing his faith. I've heard some Christian leaders say that they think his expressions of faith are too ostentatious, not private enough.
R. WARREN: The fact that this has become controversial shows how far we're moving away from where America was 50 years ago, much less 100 or 200 years ago.
The fact that Tebow would get criticized for kneeling and praying -- I could give you 15 or 50 other things you should be more worried about in that coliseum than a kid kneeling down to thank God that he played good.