DOWD: Bob, that is an interesting point he's making which is nobody focuses on this too much. But in the elections in the midterm, everybody focused on Congress and the Senate. The state legislative seats are probably the most important thing that people should focus on because they're the ones that draw the districts.
REICH: Exactly. And for example in Texas, they made elusion to there's going to be four new congressional seats and who is in that governor's office makes a big, big difference.
DOWD: But Donna, are the Democrats focused on this? Focused on the state legislature as opposed to keep preserving congressman and congresswomen?
BRAZILE: To quote that famous governor now turned comedian, you betcha. There's no question that that legislative seats matter. But also the interesting thing in Texas, from my observation is that while Rick Perry is still wildly popular, who wouldn't be? He is handsome. I must say, he looks good on the eyes. You know, I look at him. It's just look looking at Scott Brown. I like all these centerfolds.
CLARKE: Just for the record, a guy could not say that about any of the female candidates. I think that's unfair, but go ahead, Donna.
BRAZILE: Thank you.
BRAZILE: -- verbal sexual harassment, I just committed it.
But I have to say that, look, he ran against Dick Cheney, he ran against Karl Rove. But he only wanted to campaign against Kay Bailey Hutchison. But the interesting thing is that there was a TEA Party candidate in that race, Debra Medina, who I think allowed the race to skew to the far right, where Rick Perry had such a hold on conservatives. It left Kay Bailey without moderates and independents to support her.
REICH: Governors races are not anti-Washington races. I mean, they are about domestic issues inside the state. That's what that issue and that race is all about.
I mean, the big question is what happens when White, Bill White actually takes on the incumbent. And that is going to be something that everybody watches.
BRAZILE: Former mayor.
DOWD: Do you think at this point in time this is not -- this is a totally anti-incumbent year, and not an anti-Democratic year, anti- Republican year? It's purely anti-Washington, anti-incumbent?
WILL: I think it's the latter, and I think I'll disagree with Bob. I think Tip O'Neill's famous and overworked axiom that all politics is local is just wrong. A lot of politics this year is national.
REICH: But George, let me go back to something you said before, because so much of what government has done is so popular. I was struck by Mitch McConnell when he was interviewed here before, defending Medicare. And, in fact, over the past six months, I keep on seeing signs from TEA Partiers saying "don't take way my Medicare."
I mean, Medicare is a government program. It's extraordinarily popular. It is also a problem. We have got to get some control over the increase in the costs of Medicare. And that's what the new bill does, the new health care bill.
But, after a while, the public takes many of these programs for granted. Social Security is extraordinarily popular. And I think we lose sight of the fact that the public depends upon government in so many ways.