'This Week' Transcript: Holder and Giuliani

And, you know, it seems to me that what they need to do is to recognize success, to push the system to do a better job. I think one of the things that George said is relevant, I think, which is that there's more pressure now on the Pakistani Taliban because of more effective strategy that's being employed in Pakistan, but that means that we're likely to be confronted with -- with more threat.

And I think it's time for the Republicans to get on board and try to find at least in this space -- I can understand it on -- you know, they almost root for failure on the economy side, as -- as well. They, you know, describe the job number, for example, on Friday as bad news, 290,000 jobs. But this is, I think, beyond the pale.

TAPPER: Robin, what are your sources telling you about Faisal Shahzad and his involvement with the Pakistani Taliban?

WRIGHT: Well, apparently, he's singing like a bird, I was told last night. But there are also a lot of tall tales that he's telling, and they have to keep going back to him over and over and over because a lot of it's not making sense. There are some inconsistencies.

He says, for example, that he met with the leader of the Taliban, Hakimullah Mehsud, and yet here he carried out an operation that was as amateurish as anything we have seen since 9/11. And this is a group that is capable of very sophisticated operations...

TAPPER: The Pakistani Taliban is?

WRIGHT: The Pakistani Taliban is very sophisticated in the kinds of operations. And here's a guy who buys some fireworks that, according to the manufacturing, couldn't blow up a watermelon.

I think that one of the interesting things is still, what was his motive? And this is a guy who didn't -- was not engaged in a suicide bomb. He was engaged in an operation where he walked away and intended to fly back to...

TAPPER: Left the keys in the car...

WRIGHT: ... and left the keys to his car and to his home, I mean, and that -- that there are some questions about, have we reached a point where the Taliban doesn't necessarily need to even go out and recruit people, that there are Muslims who are angry about what the United States is doing in Pakistan, along the border with particularly the drone attacks, and did he respond because of what he saw when he went home?

And there's a real danger that we're crossing a line into unintended consequences. In the same way Osama bin Laden was a de facto ally of the United States until after the U.S. deployed in the Persian Gulf during the Gulf War in 1990 and 1991, turned on the United States and Saudi Arabia, and we've seen the consequences of that. Are there dangers that we're creating another generation of people as a result of U.S. military strategy?

WILL: There are many millions of angry people who are angry for the reasons Shelby mentioned. Sooner or later, some of them are going to set off bombs in America, and it's time for the leaders of both parties to begin preparing Americans for this, to say this is inevitable, you can't be perfect, and to get used to it, and to point to the fact that the Israelis have a vibrant democracy, a robust economy, and a terrorism problem, and always have.

TAPPER: The -- there was a response to the attack from Glenn Beck the other day that I thought was interesting, because he specifically was talking about whether or not Shahzad should have been read his Miranda rights. Here's Glenn Beck on "Fox and Friends."

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