STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you think you have the votes to defund Obamacare? It doesn't appear like that's...
GOHMERT: No. Not right now. But we'll see after August after people go home.
And as far as Obamacare, though, when the president himself says it's not ready, so I'm giving this break to all big business. What about the poor guy out there making $14,000? He's going to pay extra income tax if he cannot afford to pay the several thousand dollars for an Obamacare policy. Who's caring about him?
Well, a lot of us do, but it's not this president because he didn't let the individual mandate have a year off. He -- that only goes to big business. That's not fair.
CASTRO: Well, I would say, first of all, it's the law of the land. The congress passed it, the president signed it. And a conservative Supreme Court upheld it, Louis. I mean, it is the law of the land...
GOHMERT: So he gets to delay a year for just rewrite and say we're going to delay it for a year.
BRAZILE: George, the problem is, is that the House Republicans, with all due respect, I'm a former Hill staffer, not a member of course. But they cannot agree among themselves with spending. I mean, just before the recess, they couldn't even pass a transportation hub bill. I mean, I don't understand the Republican Party these days. I mean, they have set these budgetary goals and they are afraid to meet them, because they're too extreme.
GOHMERT: We're not afraid to meet them. But Donna, you need to also remember, and I think Lyndon Johnson said it, that two agree on everything, one of them is unnecessary. It's good to have a good disagreement, that's how we got to the constitution...
STEPHANOPOULOS: We've got to move on. There are lots of disagreements as well immigration reform. We just heard Donald Trump say that passing it would be a death wish for the Republican Party.
President Obama spoke out on that on Friday as well, making this claim.
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OBAMA: I'm absolutely confident if the bill was on the floor of the House, it would pass. The problem is internal Republican caucus politics.
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STEPHANOPOULOS: Which means, George Will, that that bill, the senate bill, unlikely to reach the floor of the House of Representatives.
WILL: And if it did, it would not pass.
GOHMERT: (inaudible) it's unconstitutional, it goes straight back.
WILL: Well, what Republicans keep hearing is people like The New York Times that wants the Republican Party to go away, saying if only the Republican Party would immigration reform, it would prosper. Now, there's a dissonance there Republicans don't like.
I think that's -- it's -- I'm much more sympathetic to immigration reform than most Republicans are, but there's -- how many of your members, probably none, face electoral defeat if they oppose immigration reform.
GOHMERT: I don't know. But I think you would be shocked how many -- I think most everybody in our party would vote for an immigration reform bill once they can be sure the boarder is secure.
But until the border is secure.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Including legalization for the undocumented in the country right now?
GOHMERT: I think we could get an agreement on all of those things.
But if you pass a DREAM Act, so called right now, without the border being secured, then you're going to have to have another one and another one and another one, because are going to continue to come.