'This Week' Transcript: Don't Ask, Don't Tell


MAGINNIS: Don't put words in our mouths, Christiane.

AMANPOUR: You know, in general.


DONNELLY: The report says there will be no separation. The report says that, yes.

COOPER: Well, the Joint Chiefs said no separation.

DONNELLY: But there's no...


COOPER: But let's go back to combat readiness. I'll tell you one thing that I hear -- I hear about combat readiness. You know where I need help? You know where Captain Cooper needs help? I need more ammo. We have -- we have -- there are shortages on ammo for troop training. We need training. Training is part of readiness. And having been fully equipped is part of readiness and effectiveness.

MAGINNIS: Absolutely.

COOPER: That's readiness and effectiveness. This is a burden as a -- it's a personnel nightmare for commanders. They'd rather not deal with this. Get rid of this. Clear the decks of this statute.

DONNELLY: But why then -- but why is your organization in court at war against the U.S. military?


AMANPOUR: Is this going to happen through the courts or through legislation?


AMANPOUR: Is this going to happen through the courts or through legislation?

DONNELLY: We're a Republican organization.

SCHULTZ: My hope is that it happens through legislation. As Secretary Gates and the number-one and number-two commanding men in the armed forces said, they can do this. They can do this without...


SCHULTZ: ... impacting military readiness...


SCHULTZ: ... so long as they have the time to do so.

MAGINNIS: Yeah, they aren't commanders. You only have...

AMANPOUR: But General Clark is a commander, and I want to ask him...


AMANPOUR: ... what -- once in the Army, once a commander, always a commander, I thought.

SCHULTZ: That's exactly right.

MAGINNIS: Yeah, well, I don't know about that.

AMANPOUR: General Clark, the secretary of defense, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs have said the one thing it's going to require is leadership and training to implement this, if it is repealed. What precisely does that mean?

CLARK: What that means is not trying to make broad rulings, but if there are issues, that you deal with them at the lowest possible level. Look, there are troops who don't get along because they don't like each other's music. There are troops who don't get along because they play different sports in barracks.

But when you put them in the field and you work together, generally they do get along. It's a job of the noncommissioned officer, the junior officers to handle these kind of personal issues.

And I think the bottom line of this is that the society has moved on, the -- despite what General Amos says, that even people in the Marines understand that this is -- this -- the attitudes that were against bringing gays into the military, those are the old attitudes.

Society's moving on. The -- the Army and the rest of the services should reflect the society that they're protecting. And the people in the services are willing to do it. So I think what we need to do...

DONNELLY: No, they're not.

CLARK: ... is take the military out of the crosshairs of the culture wars. Let this policy be decided and give the men and women who are leading the armed forces the opportunity to do their job, get the policy implemented.

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