'This Week' Transcript: Don't Ask, Don't Tell


And last, but not least, we're unifying a country that's very nationalistic, even if not entirely united in favor of fundamentalism. Look about -- look at the opposition that surfaced a year ago. There's a lot of opposition, but we're unifying them by creating an impression that we're totally against Iran.

AMANPOUR: But do you think that -- I mean, here's an administration that talked openly about engagement and, frankly, didn't really go as far towards the -- the election -- the -- the democracy activists, the green movement, hoping that there would be engagement, that that would let them engage. But we're hearing there's no engagement. What's gone wrong?

BRZEZINSKI: Well, look, first of all, I don't want to blame the United States, because I think the Iranians are more to blame than the United States. They've been devious, fanatical, obnoxious, threatening, and all of that.

But if we don't want the regime to be perpetuated and to have popular support, we have to watch what we're doing and what we're saying. And I'm afraid some of the things we're saying and doing, and maybe even threatening, tends to unite and strengthen the regime.

AMANPOUR: Do you think -- I asked George -- Ambassador Eikenberry is doing a good job and should he stay in his -- in his position?

KHALILZAD: Well, I think he's doing a good job. He's -- but I think he's no longer an effective interlocutor due to the leaks.

AMANPOUR: Which means?

KHALILZAD: I think -- which means that, if we want to deal with the issue of partnership with the government of Afghanistan, if we want to deal with the issue of domestic politics effectively, of capitalizing cooperation, we would need to have a new team to be able to do that.

AMANPOUR: And last word, George. What has WikiLeaks done? Has it shown, actually, the United States engaged in -- in sensible diplomacy? Has it ruined the idea of diplomacy, as some people are saying?

WILL: Well, if you're the president of Yemen and it reveals that you were actually conducting -- you're claiming to conduct raids that America was conducting, it's injured you. If you're the defense minister of Lebanon and you realize that you're now on record as having sort of encouraged Israel or told them that you will not stand in their way if they strike again in the north, that injures you.

But most of all, it injures the United States. Keeping secrets -- whether or not we have too many is not the question. Keeping secrets is the government's responsibility. And it failed.

AMANPOUR: We have to continue this roundtable in the green room. I'm sorry. We're out of time. But that will be at abcnews.com/thisweek, where you can also see a special report on voices from Afghanistan and find our fact checks in conjunction with PolitiFact.

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