But I absolutely think it is time to repeal. Unlike desegregation, where the military was out in front of society, what the recent Pentagon study shows is that the military is actually in step with society on this one. In desegregation, you had 80 percent of the troops against basically desegregating the armed forces. Here you have, as the numbers that you pointed out show, an overwhelming majority that say that it will actually be just fine.
AMANPOUR: You're saying it's your personal opinion, but you have studied this on behalf of the Marine Corps and on behalf of the War College for a long time, 15 years or so. What effect will repeal have on troops, on Marines right now who are at war?
SCHULTZ: Well, I think it's important to point out that, although the Marine Corps was the least supportive of the services, there was still out of those surveyed 60 percent that said this isn't a big issue.
And I really agree with both the chairman of the chiefs of staff and the vice chairman, James Cartwright, who's a Marine, who said, you know what, war really focuses the soldier, airman, Marines' and sailors' minds. Now is actually the time for change. They're singularly mission-focused, and it's just simply not a huge deal.
Now, I do appreciate that the combat service numbers, the combat arms were less supportive. However, when you take away the stereotypes and you ask them about actual experience of dealing with somebody who believe they -- they believe to be gay or homosexual or lesbian, overwhelmingly the numbers were positive.
AMANPOUR: Elaine Donnelly, you are really the spokesperson for the conservative cause against homosexuals in the military. You've lobbied for a long time about this. What do you say, though, to a survey that now has surveyed the American people, surveyed the American military, in a most exhaustive fashion, that says it's time? They didn't talk about repeal, but about gays serving in the military, that it would have no negative impact...
DONNELLY: The question of whether the law should be retained or repealed was not even asked.
AMANPOUR: No, it wasn't specifically.
DONNELLY: The question -- the question you're referring to is, do you know or like someone who is homosexual? Well, everyone would say yes to that, almost everyone. But that's not a question that really matters. The combat...
AMANPOUR: Forgive me. The question also was about how it would affect their unit's ability to perform in combat.
DONNELLY: Right. Right. And people who do clerical work at the Pentagon may have a view that that's not going to affect me, but the combat troops are the ones who matter.
In the Army combat troops and Marines, the infantry, and the Marine Corps combat troops in general, 57 percent, 67 percent opposed. Those -- those troops said that there would be a negative effect.
Now, for anyone to say that it's OK to make military life more difficult and more dangerous, I don't think that's really fair, because it's like putting stones in someone's rucksack and saying, "OK, you're going to march the same length of time," and, yes, you can do it because you're such a good soldier...
AMANPOUR: All right. Let's just break this down. Let's break this down. Number one, you said that those surveyed were the administrative types in the Pentagon, where I understood...