Sandra Day O'Connor Weighs In on Immigration, the Supreme Court and Civics Ed

O'CONNOR: -- video. Maybe more, but that's a lot. It's more than they spend in school, it's more than they spend with parents. It's a huge amount of time. Now, if we can capture just part of that time, a little bit of it, to get 'em in front of a computer screen to play these games, they're going to learn. And they don't even know they're learning. I mean, they're fun. The games are great.

STEPHANOPOULOS: I love that game, "Do I Have a Right?"

O'CONNOR: I know. They're fabulous. And we've had tests done. And the students go up 20 percent in their knowledge by playing those games. It's just incredible.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So if you reach them where they live, they really do absorb the information.

O'CONNOR: Right. And if you make it fun, and they love video games. That's what they often use their the computers for, is to play games. So we've tracked that and made these games fun. And the kids come back with great, "Oh, this is cool." "This is neat." "It's ... fun."

STEPHANOPOULOS: So why isn't it in every classroom?

O'CONNOR: Well, you have to ... talk about a bureaucracy in government, it's the way schools are organized in every state. What they tend to do is have separate school districts, hundreds of them, in every state. You have your school board, and your school superintendent, and it's just a big bureaucracy. There's no one person or entity you can go to in any state who can say, "Here, use this."

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you're giving this game away--

O'CONNOR: It's free. It's free for any school that wants it. It's very teacher friendly. And the teachers love it, because it does the work for them. And the kids love it. So it's a no-lose situation. And ... the way I'm trying to deal with it is to try to find a chairperson or persons in every state that will take the responsibility of contacting all the schools and making sure they know about it and encourage them to use it.

STEPHANOPOULOS: And you're coming out to schools like this and talking about it and promoting it and trying to spread the word?


STEPHANOPOULOS: It was interesting watching you talk to the kids about your start as a lawyer.


STEPHANOPOULOS: And I ... was imagining what they were thinking. They must have thought this is in another universe. You graduated the top of your class in law school and can't get a job --

O'CONNOR: Not even an interview.

STEPHANOPOULOS: -- as a lawyer. Not even an interview?

O'CONNOR: Much less a job. Isn't that amazing? Well, times change. But that was at a time in the middle of the last century when women weren't hired as lawyers.

STEPHANOPOULOS: And now we're at a point--

O'CONNOR: Thank goodness we've got over that.

STEPHANOPOULOS: It seems like it, and now we're--


STEPHANOPOULOS: -- at a point where, perhaps, by October there will be three women on the Supreme Court.

O'CONNOR: Yes, I'm so pleased. That's much better than one or two.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, you often said that one of your happiest days on the court was when Justice Ginsburg --



O'CONNOR: It made such a difference, because until that time, the media, that includes you, focused on what the one woman justice did. The court would've done something and then they'd have a little side comment about --

STEPHANOPOULOS: Here's how the woman voted.

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