"James' big thing is always saying, 'play full on,' the more you give, the more you'll get," said Grant. "How you play these games is how you show up in life. Everything we do, you'll learn more about yourself. But the big thing he stressed is play full on. If you throw it all out here for this weekend, you'll get the most out of it, and that's what we were all to do."
On Saturday at the event, Ray introduced an exercise where participants had to dress up as homeless people.
"About 300 of us are in the conference room, and James is on stage, and we've been talking about creating absolute wealth and he says, 'now we're going to go on an excursion.' People had brought in two piles of clothes -- one for men, one for women," said Grant. "There were a couple of guys, and he made them stand up, and he gave them dresses. He said, 'This is what you're going to wear, and we're going to be homeless. We're going down to downtown San Diego.'"
Martin recalled how followers had to strip themselves of identification, personal items and makeup.
"I was there when we -- we put grease in their hair and dirt on their face and we dropped them off on a bus in downtown San Diego, where they would walk around and try to survive or thrive as a homeless person," she said.
Graham was dumfounded.
"I can't imagine. All of these people that were on this outing were stripped of their purses, their IDs, their phones, their money. They had nothing. That is, to me, that's certainly putting everyone attending in harm's way," Graham said. "I just can't imagine why anyone, you know, a motivational speaker of any kind would do that to people, you know?"
Not long after the group was dropped off at this mall, Grant said he saw something unusual -- a woman on the third floor of the mall, outside on the balcony, who was teetering on the railing.
"She's a blond woman, and I think she's going to do a dive. I think there's some kind of act, related to a movie or something because I can't see the ground -- there's a bunch of kiosks and a staircase or something -- so I assumed there was an air mattress or something there. So I'm just waiting, watching for this woman's show. And I can see other people, there's kind of a crowd, looking at her. And then finally, she just lets go. And just falls forward. And there's this horrible sound of her hitting this metal roof, and this reverberation. And I realized there was no applause. And within minutes, two police cars pull up. And it hits me that this is no accident, this woman jumped."
According to the medical examiner's report, the woman was Conaway. Her body hit the roof of a tee-shirt kiosk and then fell to the ground. A group of children gathered for a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle martial arts demonstration were looking on.
Conaway died soon thereafter. Graham said that she had no idea what would bring her to do this.
"All I can say is she was at a seminar. What happened from that Thursday to that horrible afternoon on Saturday, I can't even comprehend. I don't know what happened. All I can think of is it's something horribly traumatic," she said.
Conaway's mother Marion said that it might be better for the family not to know what happened during those two days her daughter was at the retreat.