And, you know, so, the truth is, actually, words do inspire, words do help people get involved, words do help members of Congress get into power so that they can be part of a coalition to deliver health-care reform, to deliver a bold energy policy.
Don't discount that power.
OBAMA: Because when the American people are determined that something is going to happen, then it happens. And if they are disaffected and cynical and fearful and told that it can't be done, then it doesn't.
I'm running for president because I want to tell them, "Yes, we can," and that's why I think they're responding in such large numbers.
RICHARDSON: You know, this is the kind of Washington bickering that the public turns off to. And, you know, with all due respect, as a governor, I'm frustrated every time you guys and the president get nothing done because then the burden is on us.
And, you know, John, I understand your frustration. I understand, you know, that it's personal. But, you know, to resolve problems, you got to bring people together. You got to heal this country.
You can't -- you know, it's great to say, "We're going to take everybody on." But, you know, it's going to take coalitions of people backing us. It's going to take public financing to get the special interests out of politics. It's going to take bipartisanship.
You know, what I've said is that if I'm elected president, I'm going to have a Cabinet of Republicans, Democrats and independents.
Now, I won't overdo the Republicans.
RICHARDSON: But my point is, it's how you govern. It's coalition-building. It's bringing the public -- a citizens corps of activists. It's asking the public to sacrifice, to do something for the country like being more energy efficient, like national service.
You know, I've got a program, two years the government pays for your college loans, your tuition, you give one year of national service to the country.
It's emboldering (ph) the electorate. You can't do it by just fighting and taking everybody on. You got to bring people together. And that's a frustration.
EDWARDS: Give me 30 seconds on this, because you just said something...
GIBSON: I'll hold you to it.
EDWARDS: I actually completely agree that it's the responsibility of the president to unite and galvanize the American people. It is also the responsibility of the president, and I will do it, to work with members of Congress to get things done.
EDWARDS: But these entrenched monied interests that have a stranglehold on the middle class, that are doing incredibly destructive to American jobs and the health care system, energy, all taxes, trade, they're in everything -- absolutely everything, you cannot nice these people to death. It doesn't work.
I have been in the trenches fighting them for my whole adult life. And it takes strength, backbone, fight and you have to take them on.
Yes, Barack, I agree with you completely that the best -- we need to unite America and we need to galvanize the American people.
And, Bill, I completely agree with what you just said. This is not a fight with politicians. And this is certainly not a fight with the American people.
It is a fight for the American people against those people who are stopping the change.
GIBSON: All right. Let me turn to something else.
Reversing -- you invoked the name of Al Gore a few moments ago -- reversing or slowing global warming is going to take sacrifice.