STEINEM: ... these -- right. So, you know, I'm glad basically about it. But it was a professional error of gigantic proportions, because I was just beginning to be assigned serious pieces, and suddenly I was a bunny. And now, you know, it's -- it's followed me all these years, and I am always confronted with a kind of moral dilemma. Should I stop people who introduce me as an ex-bunny and say, "But I was doing it as a journalist"? No, because I've kind of deserted those women who were having such a hard time, you know? So I go through this, you know, kind of indecision.
AMANPOUR: But it was sort of the launch of your activism, of your feminism. And we all know so much about what you were campaigning for, along with many, many women of that time. Fast-forward now so many years later. Where are women in terms of not just economic opportunity, but let's say politics, since this is a political show?
STEINEM: Well, as you know, we're number 70, 7-0, among the countries of the world in terms of representation of women in our national legislature. We have 17 senators. We have 17 percent of Congress. I mean, we...
AMANPOUR: ... 76 women in the House of Representatives.
STEINEM: Right. But, you know, American exceptionalism, I think, conceals to women the fact -- because we're always being told how lucky we are -- that we are way, way down the list in political representation, and child care, health care, equal pay. You know, by almost any measure, we're way down the list.
AMANPOUR: When will, do you think -- in your lifetime? -- this ultimate glass ceiling be shattered? You remember Hillary Clinton talking about the 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling after the primaries. When will it shatter?
STEINEM: Well, you know, I really thought it was too soon. I thought Hillary Clinton was an ideal candidate, but I didn't myself believe that she could win. I just think it's too soon.
AMANPOUR: But how can it be too soon? What do you mean by that, or any women, for that matter?
STEINEM: I think because we are still raised far more by women than by men, we associate female power with childhood. And some people, especially men, feel regressed when they -- the last time they saw a powerful woman, they were 8. You know, so...
AMANPOUR: Their mother.
AMANPOUR: Well, let me ask you...
STEINEM: So it's going to take quite a long time, but it will happen. It will definitely happen.
AMANPOUR: And what do you make of the fact that so many of the current crop of female rising stars are actually conservative women, people like Michele Bachmann, people like Michele Bachmann, who's now a candidate for the president, Nikki Haley, the governor of South Carolina, and on and on?
STEINEM: Well, because we always had Phyllis Schlafly. This is -- this is not a new phenomenon. If you have a big political movement, you have people who look like you who behave like them, you know, who sort of sell it out, more or less. Those women all are elected by some women, yes. But by an electorate, their votes come more from men than from women. Democratic women, you know, not because -- it's just because of the issues.
AMANPOUR: But people will say, Gloria, are you saying that women, feminists are OK if they're Democrats, and if they're -- if they're Republicans, they're suspect?