'This Week' Transcript: Two Powerhouse Roundtables

Now, here's the difference. If someone comes into your office and steals your sensitive intellectual property and walks out the door with it, that's a crime. What difference does it make if I do it in person or I do it through my computer? There shouldn't be any difference, and that's why we're -- I'm arguing let's start the indictment process, even in absentia, to send a message to China that you cannot -- if you want to be an international player, you can't act like a thief in the night.

STEPHANOPOULOS: One more question on this. If you're talking about mostly economic espionage here, how serious in the future is the threat that this would be -- actually be a military--

ROGERS: Huge. Here's the scary part of this. It's already part of military planning for the Russians, for the Chinese, and here's where it gets interesting. Now, the Iranians.

So there's a company called Aramco in Saudi Arabia, a very sophisticated attack. It basically killed 30,000 machines, meaning you're not going to reboot that computer of yours. You've lost everything on it. It manipulated data, changed data, and destroyed data. Very, very serious to the functioning of that company.

Now, here in the United States, it's been ascribed to the Iranians, that they were probing our financial institutions with it's called a denial of service attack, which is very low on the sophistication scale. Aramco very high on the sophistication scale, which means they're probing, looking for vulnerabilities. They're already looking to disrupt. China would be a rational actor. Wouldn't pay for them to use a military-style disruption attack. Same with the Russians. You can't say about the Iranians.

WILL: And will there be a regime of deterrence here, just as we've deterred with conventional forces, deterred with nuclear forces. Can we have deterrence with cyber warfare?

ROGERS: You can accept -- if you're going to punch your neighbor in the nose, best to hit the weight room for a couple of months. We cannot protect our private sector--

STEPHANOPOULOS: We're not ready yet?

ROGERS: We're not ready yet, we are completely vulnerable to this.

STEPHANOPOULOS: I want to move to another subject. Syria, the situation seemed to have deteriorated this week. Our own Terry Moran spent the week in Syria, was there for that massive bombing, and we talked to him earlier this morning about the options the U.S.A. has right now.


MORAN: George, we just got out of Syria, and the first thing to say, it looks like the situation there is going to go from worse to worse. You got rising sectarian hatred. Radical jihadists, including Al Qaida, taking a lead role in the fight and now staking their claim to the future in Syria. Massive war crimes, rising violence and criminality, and we could find no evidence that Bashar Assad or his army is about to break. Quite the contrary. Many people told us, at the beginning of the revolution, they wanted to change the government. Now, given the chaos, they don't.

The United States has a choice. Arm the rebels, engage even more deeply in what is becoming a chaotic and dangerous war for this region, or broker a peace, probably with Russia. Give the Syrian people an opportunity to determine their future, and at least in the first stages, Bashar Assad is likely to be a part of that process. George.


STEPHANOPOULOS: Congressman Engel, is that the choice?

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