Arrested Preacher's Ex-Followers Speak Out

Sept. 26, 2008 — -- News of Christian evangelist Tony Alamo's arrest Thursday was especially poignant for some of his ex-followers.

A couple of them, including Jared Balsley, excitedly called or e-mailed ABCNews.com on Thursday evening and Friday morning to relay their feelings about Alamo's arrest at a motel in Flagstaff, Ariz., on suspicion of transporting minors across state lines for sexual purposes.

"It's great news, and maybe he can finally be brought to justice," said Balsley, who claims he was regularly beaten by Alamo's aides and once, when he was only 8 years old, by Alamo himself after arguing with another boy over a Big Wheel.

Alamo, who waived his right to fight extradition to Arkansas at a court appearance today, has been accused by ex-followers of beating children who misbehave and separating husbands from their wives and children to punish them for various infractions.

Coverage of the arrest and last weekend's raid on the Tony Alamo Christian Ministries compound in Arkansas by more than 100 federal agents as part of a two-year investigation into allegations of child pornography, physical and sexual abuse of children, polygamy and underage marriage brought back terrible memories for Balsley and other ex-followers.

The 32-year-old Modesto, Calif.-based radio DJ claimed he was regularly beaten by Alamo's aides, and once, when he was only 8 years old, by Alamo, himself,

"We were not spanked at Tony Alamo's house on Georgia Ridge. ... We were beaten," Balsley told ABCNews.com.

"Beaten for infractions of his rules. Tony would order four of his biggest guys to hold me up spread-eagled, and then they would hit you with a board that was nicknamed the 'Board of Education.'"

Balsley continued, "There was a girl who had epilepsy, and I remember her having a seizure one time, and Tony brought in dozens of families, saying, 'Well, the devil is in this girl,' and he had her hit, strung her up in the air, and said they would beat the devil out of her ... He's a horrible, horrible person. He makes Warren Jeffs look like an angel, in my opinion."

Anna Pugh, who says she was a member of the church for 11 years, believes that four of her children who she's hasn't seen in four years are at one of Alamo's compounds.

"People out there who don't understand how someone out there can get pulled in to this and be controlled and brainwashed -- just answer the question, "How did Hitler take over an entire nation?'" Pugh told KATV.

"It can be done when you're not allowed to listen to anything but some man dictate to you what is right and what is wrong 24 hours a day and they scare you and pump you up and fill you with fear."

Pugh, who claims she was 20 when she was introduced to the Tony Alamo Ministries and soon married a man 17 years her senior, says she felt an overwhelming sense of hope when she heard about the federal and state raid of Alamo's compound.

"There's another part of me that is relieved and hopeful they are going to put a stop to the abuse that is happening in that town, that has been going on for years, to children, to women especially."

Alamo Laughed About Allegations

But Alamo (pronounced ah-LAM-o) seemed relaxed when discussing the accusations and the raid with ABCNews.com on Tuesday, relishing the fact that the raid took place on his 74th birthday last weekend. And he remained defiant in his denial of the allegations, and unrepentant about his promotion of marriage between older men and girls as young as 10.

"The government -- those devils -- they gave me this as a birthday present," said Alamo. "These attacks on me and the ministry have been going on for 44 years. It's nothing new. Nothing shaking but the leaves on the tree.

"They think they're hurting me, but I'm feeling pretty good. The Bible says that when they persecute you, to leap for joy, because the prophets were dealt with in the same manner."

Alamo, who told ABCNews.com at the time that he had not been contacted by federal officials, denied some of the allegations and sidesteped straight answers on some other claims.

Asked if minors were abused, sexually or physically at the compound, Alamo sarcastically snapped, "Oh, yeah. We're just open to have minors abused. We're a church and we're not phonies, and that's why they're so obsessed with us."

Alamo denied that there was any child pornography at the compound.

"They ransacked our church, my bedroom, and they haven't even found one porn picture. Why would I be into that? I'm legally blind, and I wouldn't have been able to look at it."

Alamo defended his treatment of his followers but admitted, "Some of them got spankings and I tossed some of them out because they were doing things that were against Scripture. They're miffed and disgruntled, and some of them bring accusations of child abuse."

Asked about claims that children were kept out of school to work on his line of designer jeans, Alamo made light of the charge.

"I had adults working on that, and kids would come in and count beads -- like that's real hard labor."

As for his controversial positions on underage marriage, which he has long promoted on his radio shows, Alamo defended his views.

"The Bible says the age of puberty is the age of consent," he said, emphasizing that he supports the idea of marriage to post-pubescent girls, but that members of his church don't act on that view and follow the law. "We don't have anyone married to children under the 18-year-old limit, but the Bible says that's OK if they're age 10 or 12, if they reached puberty."

It's the all-American story with a dark and dangerous twist.

A Jewish newspaper delivery boy from Montana moves to Hollywood in the heyday of the swinging '60s and changes his name to Tony Alamo to pursue a career in music.

Later, he converts to evangelical Christianity and becomes a preacher who ministers to the homeless and drug addicts, raising money for his church by selling a popular brand of sequined denim jackets worn by celebrities, such as Brooke Shields, Mr. T and Hulk Hogan during the 1980s.

But Alamo's shadow side ended up dominating headlines.

The man once described by former President Bill Clinton, the ex-governor of Arkansas, as "Roy Orbison on speed," was accused of leading a cult, landed in prison for tax evasion and weapons violations, spouted anti-Catholic propaganda on the air and in pamphlets, and attacked the pope and President Reagan by calling them "Anti-Christ Devils" in a tract titled "Genocide."

After his wife, Susan, died in 1982, he placed her body in a crystal crypt on his dining room table while his followers prayed for her resurrection; later, he was accused of spiriting the body away before his religious compound was raided by federal marshals in 1991, and her body remained missing until church members turned it over to lawenforcement in 1998.

In the latest incident, the headquarters of his Tony Alamo Christian Ministries Church in the tiny town of Fouke, Ark., was raided over the weekend by more than 100 federal and state officials, and six children were removed from the compound while investigators searched for their parents, according to Arkansas State Police.

The two-year investigation was "aimed at allegations that children living at the Alamo facilities may have been sexually and physically abused," according to Bill Sadler, spokesman for the Arkansas State Police.

"We did make the decision to remove the children that we felt were in harm's way or in imminent danger," said Julie Munsell, spokeswoman for the Arkansas Department of Human Services.

Alamo, who strongly defended the polygamy practiced by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Mormon sect after its Texas compound was raided in April, has long advocated that such unions between older men and teenage girls are God's will.

"What I'm doing is fighting for these people that they, the ungodly beast, is throwing into prison for marrying someone 16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, if they've reached puberty," he told his radio listeners in an April broadcast.

In other radio sermons, Alamo contended that the Virgin Mary was only 6 when she conceived Jesus, asking his listeners whether that made God a pedophile.

Before the arrest, spokesmen for the FBI and the Arkansas State Police would not discuss whether an arrest warrant is pending for Alamo or whether he has been interviewed as part of their investigation.

"He has been around for a long time, and he is really creepy," said Heidi Beirich, deputy director of the Southern Poverty Law Center's (SPLC) Intelligence Project. "We interviewed some of the ministry's child brides, documented some of the virulent hatred directed at Catholics and have documented many complaints about the ministry, and forwarded the info to the FBI."

It's been a long journey for Bernie LaZar Hoffman, the son of Jewish-Romanian parents, who worked delivering newspapers in Montana as a boy.

Soon after heading out to Los Angeles, he changed his name several times while chasing a career in pop music, singing and producing albums, and claiming that the Beatles and Rolling Stones sought his services as a promoter.