'This Week' Transcript: Susan Rice

RICHARD HAASS Well let's, let's, let's remember, though, why we're sending more troops. It's simply to provide something of a breathing space so we can train up the Afghanistan police and military forces to hopefully do a bit better. And it's the same thing in Pakistan. We are dealing with two countries here, Pakistan and Afghanistan that lack the most rudimentary capacities of a modern state. They simply can't police their own territory. The problem for the United States is if and when - I have a fear it might be when - they can't do what, what we want, what do we then do. In a funny sort of way in foreign policy, it's easier to deal with your adversaries than it is with your friends. And when your friends don't meet the requirements that you need them to meet, what then does the administration do? You can't sanction them, you can't attack them. You don't want to invade them. What then does the administration do?

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (OC) So with Pakistan we have all carrot and no real stick that's possible. And, you know, the President has taken some of your advice, Richard. They have scaled down the, the stated goal in Pakistan and Afghanistan to simply disrupt al Qaeda, to dismantle al Qaeda as much as possible. And they've also retired the phrase "global war on terror." And Jon Stewart had a little bit of fun with that this week.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (OC) Now David Frum...

DAVID FRUM Clearly we have here a national euphemism initiative. That is launched by this administration. That is really - that's, that's going to be an enduring achievement.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (OC) But Secretary Clinton said the reason they switched speaks for itself yet refused to elaborate any further, does this matter?

DAVID FRUM It matters - I think Richard Haass is exactly right. That they, they are determined to have a success in, in Afghanistan. And they don't care how completely negligible and miserable that success is in order to proclaim it a success. What I worry about is that they are on a path now where they are injecting into Afghanistan just enough force, in the old Vietnam failure machine way, just enough force to keep problems at bay. The reason Iraq turned around is not just because of the American surge, but because the United States and its friends were successful in building up indigenous Iraqi forces to a number great enough to provide the kind of ratios you need to police an insurgent territory. In Afghanistan, while the Afghan army is, you know, sort of plausible, the Afghan police are a disaster. They remain a disaster. The American training operation for the police is not very effective. It's - and the Americans delude themselves about how much success is happening there. 80,000 Americans are not going to be able to patrol Afghanistan. This, this huge country with a large population and a lot of rocks.

ARIANNA HUFFINGTON First of all, this is revisionist history about Iraq, The reason things turned around in Iraq is because, contrary to the Bush administration's policy, we started negotiating with terrorists and indeed paying them. We started paying Sunnis. That is the famous Sunni awakening. It had nothing to do with anything else. It is really contrary to everything George Bush had said. And in the same way now, we could start negotiating with some of the Taliban that want to negotiate with us.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (OC) The President said he was going to do that.

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