Transcript for 'This Week': Health Care Havoc
and welcome to "this week." Health care havoc. We have my republican colleagues trying to scare everyone. Will the gentleman yield? No, I will not yield to this monkey court. The new law is under fire. Is the president's signature achievement in serious trouble? This morning, the debate from all sides. Plus, our own expert dr. Richard besser. Then former vice president dick cheney, out of office, still making headlines. On new revelations of secret spying, the republican civil war and his daughter's run for senate. Cheney takes it all on live. Only on this "this week." Perils of social media. Power players embarrassed. All right here this sunday morning. Hello again. A whole lot to get to this morning. Starting with that awful launch for obama care. Now the white house is promising a fix just after thanksgiving, but is that realistic? What do these early problems say about the program's long-term prospects? Two key senators standing by to weigh on it. But first, a reality check from our own doctor in residence, dr. Richard besser. Let's start with the basics. Get the insurance are running into three separate hurdles. The website is not ready for prime time. The first, is accessing that website and creating your accounts. Some people are getting incorrect quotes. And that information being passed to insurance companies isn't always correct. There are always problems with technological startups. What does this say for the long-term prospects for this program? There are some key factors here, for this to be successful, they have to ensure that young, healthy people sign on. 85% of us have insurance in other ways. But healthy young americans, we need to get them involved because they don't use the health care system as much, and they're going to provide that financial support for everybody else who's using it. So, they don't think the website works, they don't sign up, insurance premiums go up for everybody. The prices are higher they may not sign up again. If you don't have them on board the financial structure doesn't work very well. But I think the long-term impact of obama care is going to be very good because there are so many other things that are included, coverage of people who have existing medical conditions, free preventive care. These are things that people, once they get them, they won't want them to go away. You still have the immediate problem with the website. The white house promising to get it fixed by the end of november, is that realistic? The end of november is questionable. They have to push some of the deadlines. They brought in an a new executive to oversee this. I think that's a good sign. They have contractor that's responsible for this. The states that have embraced this, california, kentucky, there the ones where we're seeing these exchanges are working. I think that the model is sound. They just have to get it fixed. Dr. Richard besser, thank you very much. Let's get more on this from the senators, joe manchin and john barrasso. Like dr. Besser, john, you're a medical doctor as well. Are you as confident the problems with the website can be fixed? I want to make sure that patients can get high-quality care. The website was supposed to be the easy part of this. So, I see that this is just the tip of the iceberg of problems. With bigger problems to come. But the democrats are at a point of high anxiety, americans have been very skeptical about this health care law. But now, george, there is a lot of anger about the wasted taxpayer dollars on this website about all of the waivers the president has given to unions, to members of congress, no one at the white house is going to have to sign up on the exchanges and now americans are saying, wait a minute, why do i have to pay a fine if I don't sign up? One of the democrats who supports the law but is also worried about the fact that the website isn't working, joe manchin, democrat of west virginia. Senator, you're the only democrat calling for a full-year delay on the penalty for the individual mandate. Are you willing to hold off on that if the white house meets this deadline to fix the website problems? George, I have been working in a bipartisan manner in trying to put a coalition together, that basically says the penalty, the fine of $95 will not be into effect until 2015, at that time the fine will be $325. It will still induce people to get involved but also gives us a time to transition in, to work out things, we identified a lot of problems, a lot of glitches. When I was governor, we had glitches getting up our claims program started. We worked through it. We got a system now that's a model of the country. We know that it can be done. But we have to work together. If we all work towards fixing something, and if we just can't fix it, then you may a concerted effort to make the changes. We need the transition period. So, you're for the one-year delay no matter what? . So far, not a lot of democrats have signed up. Senator barrasso, lot of democrats believe that you and your colleagues are actually rooting for the program to fail. What do you say to a constituent that say, we want help signing up for obama care? Well, folks in my office will help any citizen in any way we can. I will tell you, what I want affordable care for american citizens, and in my home state of wyoming and joe's home state of west virginia, we see that the rates are actually going to be higher, "the new york times'" front-page story the other day said exactly that, that the law has failed to provide affordable care and coverage in rural america, so that is a real problem. The president made promises that this was going to be cheaper than your cell phone bill, easier to use than amazon and you could keep your doctor. People all across the country are seeing that's just not true. Secretary kathleen sebelius is going to be facing some tough questions on capitol hill this week. Senator barrasso, you already called on her to resign. Here was her response. The majority of people who are calling for me to resign are people who I don't work for or people who don't want this program to work in the first place. Senator manchin, do you think kathleen sebelius should keep her job? I think she was a successful governor working with both sides of the aisle. She's very capable of bringing people together. I think it was unfortunate the comment the way it came out. That being said -- so, do you think she should stay in the job? I think she should stay and i think she will get the job done. And I think she can do that. We need to move forward. If you want to kill the program, and you start making all of these changes, that would kill the program. Make sure you can entice through incentives to get young people that are healthy to join into this. We are a consumer nation. We can make this happen but we've all got to be on the same team right now which is team america to make things happen. Senator barrasso, are you willing to work with senator manchin on something like that, you were against the law from the beginning, are you willing to work with him and other democrats on figuring out ways to get it fixed? We have co-sponsored a number of pieces of legislation, we continue to work together and are good friends. What he is proposing is a good idea, it's the law, not the president waving his magic wand and saying this doesn't apply, here, we'll give these people waivers, so I encourage senator manchin. But, again, that's just the first step. People are getting hit with sticker shock. We have had more people from october 1st getting letters of denial. Losing insurance they have. Than able to sign up for obama health care law. And you talked about secretary sebelius and her comments, she's already, as of "saturday night live" last night, the laughingstock of america. She's lost considerable credibility. When she says things are going good with the exchanges, I will tell you, just on friday, in washington state, 8,000 people, because the state exchange wasn't coordinated with the federal database, 8,000 people were told they were going to get higher subsidy than they were actually going to get. Now, they have to say they're going to pay more out of their pocket. Senator manchin, you get the last word, do you see any indication from anyone in the administration that they're willing to go along with some sort of a delay? I'm not sure. I haven't spoken in detail with them. I can tell you, if we have a partisan group like we have had before, we have seven republicans, six democrats and an independent, george, nobody should be forced to buy a policy that costs more than what they had and is inferior to what they had. Those things have to be worked out. The new markets have to be good but affordable. You have to work through this. The transition period of one year is very reasonable and very doable. The fines don't go into effect until 2015. If you delay it, you're never really going to have identify the problems and work it out. John in wyoming and me in west virginia we have a lot of people who have benefited so far. But we have more people who need to have affordable health care. It shouldn't be unaffordable. We need to work this out. John is very knowledgeable. He's a good friend of mine. We can need to work together because we're americans first. We can't make to the whole system. Guys, thank you very much for your time this morning. Now, to the latest on the nsa spy scandal, the government plan to listen in on foreign leaders was bigger than originally thought and it comes after the german chancellor lectured president obama this week after she learned that the u.S. Had been tapping her personal cell phone. Terry moran has been tracking this growing controversy. Good morning, terry. Reporter: Good morning, george. The hits keep on coming, after snowden's niagara of leaks out of the nsa. And the damage to u.S. Interest s. The latest the german interior minister is calling for an investigation, saying, if the u.S. Tapped german cell phones on german soil, it broke the law and "those responsible must be held accountable." On the mall in washington protest or thes spoke about the nsa surveillance program. Nsa whistle blower edward snowden still stuck in russia. He asked me to deliver this message to you. We are here to remind our government officials that they are public servants, not private investigators. Reporter: Snowden's cascade of shocking leaks have many close u.S. Allies infuirated. Just this weekend, the revelation in a german newspaper that the u.S. Embassy in berlin was a secret listening post. It was just 1 of 80 similar nsa and cia listening posts around the world. All this, after reports that the u.S. Was tapping world leaders' cell phones, including german chancellor angela merkel, she personally calling president obama, labeling it a "brave breach of trust." The white house didn't address whether merkel was spied on in the past. According to a report in a british newspaper "the guardian," the nsa was listening in on 35 world leaders as early as 2006. Friday, hillary clinton weighed in. Trying to go up to the of what is appropriate surveillance and security measures and not over the line, is something that we need to have a full comprehensive discussion about. Reporter: It is true as many as have said, as long as there has been allies there has been spying on allies. But george, what has so deeply shocked america's closest partners around the world is the depth. You get the sense they have been digitally invaded by the nsa and their sense of the violation of their privacy and the invasion of their citizens' privacy is profound. George? And they're pushing back hard. Okay, terry, thanks so much.
This transcript has been automatically generated and may not be 100% accurate.