AMANPOUR: Lama Hasan, thank you so much for joining us. And we're now going to talk to Mohamed ElBaradei. You all know him. He used to be head of the U.N. nuclear watchdog, a thorn in the U.S. side during the Iraq war, didn't want the U.S. to go to war with Iraq. And now, over the last year, he's come back to try to lead this protest movement.
It wasn't going anywhere for a while. He left, and now he's back again. We spoke to him earlier today.
AMANPOUR: Mr. ElBaradei, are the latest moves by President Mubarak sufficient, appointing a vice president, a prime minister?
ELBARADEI: Christiane, it doesn't even begin to address people's concerns. People's concerns right now is Mubarak has to go, immediately. The first step, if we need to get out of this mess -- and it's total mess, security is not there, it's a total chaos situation right now -- first step, he has to go.
Second step, we have to have a government of national salvation, in coordination with the army, so the people and the army will get together, go for a transitional period, where then we prepare for a free and fair election, a new constitution, and then move on toward a democracy.
Third point, that the army has the horrible task of ensuring security. Prisoners got out of prison. It's -- the -- the security force, which is over a million, has been disbanded. It's a criminal act. I don't know who did that.
AMANPOUR: You think the army will turn on the people, if they get the order?
ELBARADEI: I don't think it would ever turn on the people. I think the army is very much on the people's side, and the army is put in then impossible situation. I mean, normally, what should happen is that the police should be in the city to protect people and infrastructure. Somebody gives the order to the police to disband. And then what you have right now is thugs. You know, thugs are looting. And, you know -- and it's -- it's -- it's a horrible situation right now.
AMANPOUR: How do you assess the reaction of the U.S. administration?
ELBARADEI: Well, I think it's -- it's -- it -- it came here like -- like lead. You know, people expected the U.S. to be on the side of the people, you know, who are -- legitimate needs for democracy, social justice, it's -- and to let go of a dictator, you know?
AMANPOUR: But now President Obama is saying that the rights of the people need to be protected and reforms need to happen.
ELBARADEI: Sure. But, Christiane, he's also saying, I look to the government, you know, i.e., Mubarak, you know, to implement democracy. I mean, to ask a dictator to implement democratic measure after 30 years in power is an oxymoron. So they need to let go of Mubarak. They need to side with the people. They need to go for, you know, transition, smooth transition, through a government of national salvation. This is only way out.
AMANPOUR: As you know, the administration is very concerned that if Mubarak goes, the inevitable replacement is the Muslim Brotherhood or some kind of Islamic fundamentalism.
ELBARADEI: This is total bogus that the (ph) Muslim Brotherhood are religiously conservative. They are no way extremists. They are no way using violence. They are not a majority of the Egyptian people. They will not be more than maybe 20 percent of the Egyptian people. You have to include them like, you know, new evangelical, you know, groups in the U.S., like the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem.