'This Week' Transcript: Gen. Jim Jones (Ret.)


SESSIONS: But fundamentally they know this country is on a path to fiscal disaster. As Erskine Bowles said, as Secretary Geithner has said, as Alan Greenspan has said, we're heading -- and this Democratic leadership proposes nothing.

AMANPOUR: Do you believe...

SESSIONS: But to attack the people who are trying to get this country on the right course.

AMANPOUR: Do you believe there will be a shutdown?

SESSIONS: I hope not.

AMANPOUR: But do you think there will be?

SESSIONS: I doubt it. I doubt there will be a shutdown.

AMANPOUR: All right. Well, both of you agree on that. And, of course, we do have to talk at another time about these huge mega- issues, which really right now is tinkering around the edges, isn't it? The big, big entitlement programs.

SESSIONS: We're talking about trillions of dollars.

AMANPOUR: Precisely. And we'll have you back... SESSIONS: And the president has no plan whatsoever to deal with it.

AMANPOUR: There seems to be no plan in general.

SCHUMER: That's not true at all.

AMANPOUR: And we'll discuss that the next time.

SCHUMER: That's not true at all.

AMANPOUR: Thank you very much, indeed, for being on this program.

And tell us your thoughts on the war on Capitol Hill. Tweet me @camanpour #budgetbattle.

And up next, new job numbers are moving in the right direction, as we have heard, but could a government shutdown deal a serious blow to the recovery? We'll get answers from our roundtable.


AMANPOUR: A Florida pastor's reckless stunt sends shock waves across Afghanistan, bringing mayhem and death. But today, Terry Jones is unrepentant. How does the White House contain the damage caused by a preacher gone rogue? Our "Roundtable" tackles that one. Stay tuned.



OBAMA: Today, we learned that we added 230,000 private sector jobs last month. And that's good news. That means more packages, right?


AMANPOUR: The president at a UPS facility on Friday. And yes, the jobs picture is looking up. Unemployment is the lowest it has been since March of 2009, just after President Obama took office. So it's good news, if 8.8 percent unemployment can be considered good news. But as the recovery picks up steam, the budget showdown in Washington threatens to derail the progress that has been made.

Here to make sense of it all, our "Roundtable" with George Will; Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize-winning New York Times columnist; Torie Clarke, the former Pentagon spokeswoman in the Bush administration; and David Ignatius of The Washington Post.

Great to see you all here. So, the jobs numbers, good, right?


PAUL KRUGMAN, THE NEW YORK TIMES: Yes, it begins with a sigh, because, look, this is better than naught. Right? Better than no jobs. But unemployment is a funny number. Unemployment, you're only considered unemployed if you're actively looking for work. And so if you look, over the past year, the unemployment rates have come down a lot, significantly anyway. But that's basically almost all because fewer people are looking for work.

AMANPOUR: So where is it headed in terms of the people looking for work?

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