CHOUDARY: There are many people who are justifying -- there are many people who are justifying the inability to practice the Sharia, to say, "Well, I have a different form of religion." You know, people want to claim that they're vegetarians and they're eating big beef burgers. You can not be a non-practicing vegetarian. Therefore, similarly, if you're a Muslim, you submit to the Sharia.
FRANKLIN GRAHAM: He's telling the truth.
AMANPOUR: You see, Reverend Graham says you're telling the truth. So, do you agree with Reverend Graham and our panelists on this side that Americans should fear Islam?
CHOUDARY: we do believe, as Muslims, the East and the West will one day be governed by the Sharia. Indeed, we believe that one day, the flag of Islam will fly over the White House. Indeed, there's even an oration of the Prophet where he said, "The day of judgment will not come until a group of my oma... -- "
DONNA MARSH O'CONNOR: Can I just -- ?
CHOUDARY: "Conquer the White House."
O'CONNOR: Can I just -- ?
O'CONNOR: Can I just make one comment here?
O'CONNOR: Because, look. I'm not an expert in religion. But I do know that, in some fundamental sense, I just heard Reverend Graham make the same statement about Christianity.
O'CONNOR: I mean -- You know, look. I'm sure -- I'm sure you can fill up every one of these TV screens with extremist people from all over. We have laws in America. I think we ought not to get into who's religion has created more horror on earth --Suffice it to say that many political ends have been met by many religions, and vice versa. And look, you know -- I really -- I'm Looking around, I see nothing in this room but war, and it -- you know, it's painful to me.
AMANPOUR: Do you, Reverend --
O'CONNOR: It's painful.
AMANPOUR: Do you, Reverend Graham, think that this Islamic radical who we just heard from is agreeing with you?
GRAHAM: Not agreeing with me. But his position -- what I was talking about Sharia law, what scares me. And he is speaking that Sharia law means to govern the entire world, and that is the -- that is the goal of the Islamists.
AMANPOUR: I just want to go to Reza Aslan, who's busy shaking his head from Amsterdam.
REZA ASLAN: No, I was just enjoying the conversation. And I think that Anjem and Franklin Graham ought to go grab a cup of coffee --
ASLAN: Because they see the world in exactly the same way. There is no such thing as one Christianity, no matter what Franklin Graham thinks. There is no such thing as one interpretation of Islam, no matter Anjem thinks. The key here, though, is we're talking about the United States of America. We're talking about the six to eight million Muslims in the United States who are thoroughly integrated into every level of American society. A community that is wealthy, that is moderate, that has thoroughly absorbed American values and made it their own, and feels completely comfortable reconciling their Islamic values with American values. To constantly compare American Muslims to Saudis or Iranians is just -- it's a ridiculous comparison.