'This Week' Transcript: Former Obama National Security Adviser Tom Donilon

PLOUFFE: I think he spoke directly to this, and I think people accepted what he had to say. I think people trust this president. I think there have been numbers all over the place, but I'm confident in a few months from now, those trust numbers are going to come up. I think his approval number will come up. And I think more than anything else, as we begin to focus hopefully on what really matters to people. And that's what the president I think needs to do, and he is trying to do it this week.


STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me bring that to Congressman Cole, especially the issue of immigration. You saw the president go out to visit some protesters on the mall this week saying he hasn't given up on Speaker Boehner.

COLE: Well, Speaker Boehner hasn't give up on him, but let's just say they're awfully disappointed in one another.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But on the issue particularly of immigration, any hope for that this year?

COLE: Not until we get the budget done. Literally I think the most important thing right now is to make sure we don't have a government shutdown, to make sure that we deal with the debt ceiling--

STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you think it's possible again?

COLE: I don't think it's likely, but look, we stumbled into one before that I didn't think was wise and didn't think should occur. The line I usually use is, you know, around here, we can't walk and chew gum. Let's just chew gum for a little while. And right now, chewing gum is getting a budget deal and making sure that we don't default when the debt ceiling comes around.

ELLISON: You know, I just want to say that I think that everything that the president said and did was in pursuit of trying to get Americans, all Americans health care. So I think even though he may have said, if you like your decent insurance, your insurance that works, then you can keep it, I think that people really get that. When -- he owned it. He said, look, man, if you misunderstood what I was trying to say, I'm sorry about that.

I think that shows integrity. He didn't do anything to self-promote. He did -- what he was doing he was trying to do -- to help Americans all over this country for decades.

COLE: I'm going to disagree a little bit--


ELLISON: Intentions count.

COLE: -- with Keith. We knew back in 2009, 2010, this was going to happen. The Congressional Budget Office put out studies about it. We made the points, and we know now the administration had plenty of documents.


COLE: -- were going to lose health care here. So I think this does get to credibility as well as competence.

ELLISON: These plans actually, many of these, these high-deductible, high-exclusion plans, they don't -- they were not quality plans in many cases. And the fact is, they were for a small -- they might work for somebody who had a lot of money saved up, but for other folks, they just didn't. There's a reason those premiums were low.

STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm going to ask you all to stand by. We're going to come back for more roundtable later, but we're going to turn now to national security. It's a week of showdowns and tough diplomacy. The world's biggest power, America's longest war, and that emerging nuclear deal with Iran all front and center. We have an exclusive interview with President Obama's former national security adviser, Tom Donilon, coming up. But first here's some background from ABC's Muhammad Lila.


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