As far as Pakistan, there are (UNINTEL) concerns being posed, go (UNINTEL) in certain area. And I carried out mining of about 35 miles. Selectively, about five or six miles in certain areas where there are routes going in. I think that we could mine the whole area. Finances required, to man it and to mine the -- mine it -- or fence it. So we should go for those drastic measures also. United States should look into that.
CHRIS CUOMO: No matter what you do, though, if it's the case that members of your military and your intelligence share that ethnic identity of being Pashtun, doesn't that come first for them?
PERVEZ MUSHARRAF: Yeah. I -- yes, I -- the military (UNINTEL) is mainly (UNINTEL). And now, I -- that (UNINTEL) ethnic balancing I did, from symbols (?) where people have come. So it's not Pashtun. (UNINTEL) and Isai (PH) is not Pashtun. Yes, there are Paktuns and Isai in the army. The frontier corps of the second line force is all Pashtun. But they're under discipline of the Pakistan Army.
They -- they are officered by army officers, whereas the men come from the locals. Sure -- they had some (UNINTEL) for thei -- for Paktuns. But to say that they won't fight, they're fighting and they have suffered casualties. And -- I think that's not such a great issue. They will fight, and the army will also fight, because they understand that they have to remove -- element -- al Qaeda and also stop the Taliban from going across the border.
CHRIS CUOMO: But aren't they compromised, if they are sharing tribal identity with the enemy? How can they ever consider them enemy if they're both Pashtun?
PERVEZ MUSHARRAF: No, no, they are. Within the Pashtun now, there are tribes. And let me say that if you belong-- yes, if are from one tribe operating a certain area, maybe they'll be an inhibition on that tribal soldier or that tribal frontier corps man to shoot at his own tribe people. But tribes and subtribes have been fighting each other. So if you are in (UNINTEL) for example, and you've taken people from Hotak tribe and they are there. There's -- there's not a problem. So we -- we are to know even these tribal -- differences.
CHRIS CUOMO: Now -- now I want to make sure I understand this correctly. On some level, you -- tell me if this is fair. Do you believe, on some level, that America has created its own enemy by abandoning the Mujahidin who now are Taliban. Do you believe that on some level, America allowed the Taliban to exist?
PERVEZ MUSHARRAF: Not the Taliban, but the al Qaeda, yes. I always say that the first blunder that we committed, after '89, was the blunder of abandoning the place, abandoning Pakistan, leaving us high and dry. And not thinking of resetting or rehabilitating the -- the -- the Mujahidin that we brought, from all of the Muslim world, from east to west. About 25,000 to 30,000 of them. These people, by the way, are the ones who became-- coalesced and became al Qaeda. Today many of them, are by the way, married and they have children there. The same people, the Mujahidin have -- have children there. So therefore, their linkages with the tribes, with where they stay and they're being harbored by the people also have -- this reality should be kept in mind also, that they are there.