'This Week' Transcript: Two Powerhouse Roundtables

STEPHANOPOULOS: I want to get to more on this in our second roundtable, but now, another big headline from this week, we saw a report coming out, detailing Chinese attacks, Chinese military cyber attacks on U.S. targets, 140 targets. Look at this from the New York Times. It said that there had been increasingly the focus is on companies involved in the critical infrastructure of the United States, it's electrical power grid, gas lines and waterworks. According to the security researchers, one target was a company with remote access to more than 60 percent of oil and gas pipelines in North America.

A serious threat over several years. It drew the attention of the former head of the CIA Mike Hayden.

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MIKE HAYDEN, FRM. CIA DIRECTOR: With all the advice my dad gave me when I came home at nine years of age after losing a fight in which he said quit whining, act like a man, and defend yourself. There are a lots of way we can make this relationship less comfortable to them. If this is important, and I think you and I agree that it is, then you got to start taking some actions.

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STEPHANOPOULOS: And Congressman Rogers, you're the chairman of the House intelligence Committee, you say this is a war, a war we're losing.

ROGERS: We are losing. And 141 targets pales in comparison. That's probably every day. We get every single day by a whole series of levels of types of attacks, everything from criminals trying to get into your bank account or steal your identity, to nation states like China who are investing billions hiring thousands.

STEPHANOPOULOS: You believe that Chinese -- the Chinese government, the Chinese military is behind this?

ROGERS: Beyond a shadow of a doubt. They use their military and intelligence structure to intellectual property from American businesses, and European businesses, and Asian businesses, repurpose it and then compete in the international market against the United States. It is unprecedented. We've never -- this has never happened in the history of the world, where one nation steals the intellectual property to repurpose it -- to illegally compete against the country. And I'll tell you, it is as bad as I've ever seen it and exponentially getting worse. Why? There's no consequence for it.

AMANPOUR: And the Times report which quoted this Mandiant troop, traced this latest outbreak of cyber warfare to this building in Shanghai, a 12 story building. I mean, they traced it to the doorstep. Building 61398. You know, out of a spy novel, but that is a building and a unit owned by the PLA.

STEPHANOPOULOS: And one of the things we've seen is that companies have been unwilling to talk about this even though they've been getting hit every day. That is changing now.

WILL: It is. And they're dealing with a very difficult, frankly a gangster regime in China right now. And no one wants to make them unhappy. But George, last June David Sanger and the New York Times ran a story. From his first months in Office, President Obama secretly ordered sophisticated attacks on the computer systems that run Iran's main nuclear enrichment facilities. It began under the Bush administration.

We have participated in cyber sabotage.

AMANPOUR: And that's what the Chinese are saying.

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