'This Week' Transcript: Pastor Rick Warren

TAPPER: You know this week we asked viewers to submit questions. Brian Norris tweets that we should ask you if you believe faith in Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven.

R. WARREN: I do believe that. And I believe that because Jesus said it. See, I don't set myself as an authority. Jesus said I am the way. He didn't say I'm one of the ways, he said I'm the way. I'm the truth. And I'm the way. I'm betting my life that Jesus wasn't a liar.

TAPPER: You do a lot of interfaith -- Muslims, Jews, Catholics, and have a lot of friends of other faiths. Why would a benevolent God tell those friends of yours who are not evangelical Christians I'm sorry you don't get to go to heaven?

R. WARREN: I don't think any of us deserve to go to heaven. I don't think any -- I think the only way any of us get into heaven is God's grace.

Most of us think, well, if my good works are higher than my bad works than I'm going to kind of make it in. And most of us want -- have enough works to get -- good works to get into heaven, but enough bad works to be fun. But the bottom line is God doesn't grade on a curve.

People say, well, I'm better than so-and-so. You probably are. In fact, I have no doubt many non-believers are better than me in certain moral issues. They probably are more -- have integrity or something like that. I'm not getting to heaven on my integrity. I'm not getting to heaven on my goodness. I'm getting to heaven on what I believe Jesus said is grace. And the fact is it's available to everybody.

TAPPER: A lighter question about heaven. On Facebook we were asked to ask you do dogs go to heaven?

R. WARREN; I've been asked that 100 times. And my answer is there's no verse in the Bible on this -- yes. Absolutely yes. I can't imagine God not allowing my dog into heaven.

TAPPER: What about cats?

R. WARREN: Sure. Why not?

TAPPER: Lastly, I interviewed you four years ago. I'm interviewing you again today. There's less of you.


R. WARREN: Yes. I'm not half the man I used to be.


TAPPER: You look good. What happened? What's the secret?

R. WARREN: Jake, that's a funny story. About a year ago, I was doing a baptism. On that particular day, I baptized 864 people. It took me about four hours to do that.

Now, at 150 pounds a person, I'm putting them under water. That's about 50,000 pounds that I'm, you know, dunking. Along about number 500, I had a thought. It wasn't a very spiritual thought. It was, man, we're all fat.


And I thought, well, wait a minute, I'm fat. I'm a terrible example of this. This is not your father's Saddleback. We've been putting on weight. So I thought I can't ask people to get in shape unless I do, and I'm a terrible model here.

And I really didn't care what I looked like, so I didn't take care of my body. I just didn't. And I ate all I wanted. I was a purpose-driven eater.

So we found a passage of scripture about Daniel, in the book of Daniel, where he ate healthy food and the king's people ate bad food and Daniel's people got healthy. And I said, "we're going to call this the Daniel Plan."

I figured maybe 200 people in my church would sign up for this. 12,000.

TAPPER: 12,000?

R. WARREN: 12,000. In the first year I've lost 60 pounds, and our church has lost over 250,000 pounds.

TAPPER: 250,000 -- that's a whole mega-church itself.

R. WARREN: It's a mega-church.

Join the Discussion
blog comments powered by Disqus
You Might Also Like...