Transcript for 'This Week': Crisis in Iraq
Thank you, Martha. I'm told that president Obama personally approved the movement of that aircraft carrier the "Uss George H.W. Bush" into the persian gulf. As the pieces are being put in place to carry out air strikes if the president decides to give that order. Remember, he said, there will be no U.S. Military action til the Iraqi government first takes steps to resolve its political crisis. But there's no indication that is happening. But what options will the president consider? Let's bring in our expert, Steve ganyard, who has flown combat missions over Iraq. Steve, tell me, what are the options that are being presented to the president right now? We saw the "Uss bush," the aircraft carrier, being brought into the persian gulf, it will take some time to come up into the persian gulf. It will give the president some options. That could provide support. Piloted aircraft dropping bombs. We do have unpiloted aircrafts. The drones that are up in Turkey and ships out at sea. There's a quite a bit of fire power in the region. The real question is, what do we apply that firepower to? What do you target? You know, this is not a tradition military operation? How do you go after an enemy like that? You have no headquarters to bomb, what do you go after? That's the difficulty picking out targets. Who's going to do that for us? We'll have surveillance assets. We'll have television cameras and drones overhead. What are they looking at? They're looking at guys in trucks. Some may have black flags but they look just like the civilian population. There's real danger here picking out targets. With drones, usually you have someone on the ground putting out a target. You do. What happens if we hit a school? What happens if we hit something that the Iraqis want us to hit? We have the Iranians on the ground now. Are we going to be picking out targets for Iranians? General Allen said we should do a hard blow against Isis. Can do that without ground forces? This is almost a Sunni insurgency. It's more of a popular uprising. When we saw Isis come down out of Syria, but this is really more of an Iraqi Sunni blowback against the Maliki government rather than some determined enemy. Do you think the president will be looking at possibly hitting targets inside of Syria given that this is where Isis comes from? The president has to play a game in Syria and a chess game in Iraq. I think he'll probably try to keep everything we do within Iraq and continue to stay out of the Syrian conflict. All right, Steve ganyard, thank you very much. For more on what's going on with the Iraqi army, let's check back in with Martha Raddatz in Baghdad. Martha? Thanks, Jon, joining us now is general peter Chiarelli, an ABC contributor. Who spent two years here on the ground in Iraq. I was with him during much of that deployment, some of it the worst fighting of the war. Thanks for joining us, general Chiarelli, do you believe the jihadists will move into Baghdad? Well, Martha, I don't think they will. I think things get a lot tougher the further south you go, and I think that's why you haven't seen any initial movement right now, but it's always a possibility, but it will definitely get tougher if they try to move into Baghdad. A lot of people seem to think it's a possibility, they could be regrouping, but even if they don't, what has to happen in the rest of the country, can they ever get back mosul or fallujah? What do you see is the future of this country? I don't see it without some kind of conclusion with Sunnis into the government. I believe that's the problem. We're seeing almost eight years of a deliberate effort to exclude them from the government and that's why conditions have been ripe for Isis to move into the areas that they have moved into, because they have the support of Sunnis. I used to walk past this street. We just drove by the street, you had such a vision for this place, I think I remember saying you were the general with rose-colored glasses. What really happened here? Well, it was a symbol. It was a symbol of the Iraqis that many of us who met wanted to work together and it was a place in Baghdad, where they had gone and they had lived together, co-existed together. But that all seems to have unravelled and it's been unraveling for the last eight years. What about the Iraqi security forces, billions and billions of dollars on those Iraqi security forces, they take off their uniforms and run. Martha, there's no doubt that we trained a very good force. The question is we should all be asking ourselves, why did they drop their weapons and run? I would argue, it's because those forces in the north probably with Sunnis, sunni-dominated, wouldn't get the support of their government. That's the critical question here. There's no doubt they have the equipment and the training, the problem is, they have no trust in their government. Can I ask you just quickly, general, do you think Americans should be concerned about this? I definitely do. This is an organization, Isis, they have an opportunity here, they have taken advantage of that opportunity, and I think we should really, really be concerned. I read someplace yesterday, where they're the richest terrorist group in the world after what they were able to seize in mosul, so I'm concerned, and I think all Americans should be concerned. Thanks so much, general Chiarelli. We're going to go back to Jon
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